Betting coupons

amacca

Apologies if I shouldn't be asking for advice on this here, I'm a complete novice betting wise tbh but thought someone could help...if its not the appropriate forum feel free to move mods or delete if its not something I can ask

Its mostly about the coupon sheets you see in Paddy Power and the likes

1) Are the odds on these sheets set in stone?....if you place the bet before the event but say a day after the sheet is available do you get the odds on the sheet or will it be whatever the current odds at the time of placing the bet are -in other words are they just sample odds that are close to what the odds will probably be but may not be the exact odds you will get

2) How far in advance of the events do the coupons come out...ie: when will a coupon sheet for this weekends premiership games be issued?

3) Do you only get those odds if you fill out the coupon?

4) Do all bookies give out coupon sheets like this?

5) It seemed to be football only on the sheet, is that because its the most popular thing to bet on or are there sheets for other sports? ..in fairness I probably should have looked closer at the sheet

6) I know there is a limit to what can be paid out on a bet..... but is there an informal limit to what you can bet??

I mean I know or at least I think I know you can stake more than is necessary given the max payout and you stand to lose it all if the bet is unsuccessful on your side but I presume eyebrows would be raised if some lad walks in off the street with wads of cash above say whatever is average (like a couple of hundred or something) and starts backing or is it just a case of its your own lookout?

Copper_pipe

1) You get the current price at the time the bet is placed, the odds on the sheet are the odds the market opened at.

2) Tuesday or Wednesday they usually have the Early Weekend Coupons in PP

3)Not sure what you mean here. Would recommend looking up the odds online and writing out the bet on a normal slip so you know the exact prices you are getting.

4) Yeah all the big one do, PP, Lads, Boyles.

5) You might get a GAA or NFL coupon.

6)No limit on the Main leagues id assume but if you wanted 500 euro on a small league in Africa im sure theyd be ringing traders.

amacca

Copper_pipe wrote: »

1) You get the current price at the time the bet is placed, the odds on the sheet are the odds the market opened at.

2) Tuesday or Wednesday they usually have the Early Weekend Coupons in PP

3)Not sure what you mean here. Would recommend looking up the odds online and writing out the bet on a normal slip so you know the exact prices you are getting.

4) Yeah all the big one do, PP, Lads, Boyles.

5) You might get a GAA or NFL coupon.

6)No limit on the Main leagues id assume but if you wanted 500 euro on a small league in Africa im sure theyd be ringing traders.

Tks v much, I appreciate the answers.

With 3 I just meant would the odds you get if you placed a single bet on a normal slip be different than the odds you would get if the same single bet was placed on the coupon but you kind of answered that in point one...so that means the odds quoted online on the websites are the same as what you will get in the shops?

No limit on the main leagues is surprising to me ...I thought they'd stop/question people if the stake was high despite them saying otherwise

..so if some lad walked in and put a couple of grand on say a united/liverpool game the bookies wouldn't bat an eyelid?

..I wonder would that sort of thing happen in shop often?

Copper_pipe

If you wanted a few grand on a big game you'd be better off betting online.

Chances are you'll find better odds and higher limits.

Shanotheslayer

A couple of grand is nothing for big games like that. Just check the exchange, the amount they take is unbelievable. No clue why you want to be walking around with a few G's in your pocket to place on a game when there is literally minimum value but how and ever.

Division

Of course there are limits on the amount you can win, but you can stake an amount that will put your winnings over this amount.

Google <bookmaker name> maximum payout. You will get their T&C page.

To be fair the amounts are relatively large and you're just starting out so you are at least a few years away from having to worry about this as;

About 2% of sports bettors are profitable. What are you doing to try to be in that 2%?

Glenbhoy

Division wrote: »

Of course there are limits on the amount you can win, but you can stake an amount that will put your winnings over this amount.

Google <bookmaker name> maximum payout. You will get their T&C page.

To be fair the amounts are relatively large and you're just starting out so you are at least a few years away from having to worry about this as;

About 2% of sports bettors are profitable. What are you doing to try to be in that 2%?

You should point out that if bookmakers suspect you are making money, they will put very restrictive limits on your account, very quickly!!

Shanotheslayer

Division wrote: »

About 2% of sports bettors are profitable. What are you doing to try to be in that 2%?

Where did you pull that figure from?

Division

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Where did you pull that figure from?

I have seen that figure quoted on a few websites over the years. Sounds about right to me but no bookmaker will release that information I would assume as it would show people how difficult it is to make a profit long term.

A lot of the 98% think they are profitable which might make the 2% seem small to some people.

Shanotheslayer

Division wrote: »

I have seen that figure quoted on a few websites over the years. Sounds about right to me but no bookmaker will release that information I would assume as it would show people how difficult it is to make a profit long term.

A lot of the 98% think they are profitable which might make the 2% seem small to some people.

Oh I agree that it would be a low figure. Just curious was there any basis to it.

Over the past 2 years i'm in the 2% so this makes me happy \o/

Division

I have tried to ask people before on Internet forums how they got into the 2% but it never goes anywhere.

We probably all started off betting a tenner on the weekend accumulator but what did you change to make a consistent long term profit?

That would be much more valuable to the opening poster than wondering how much a bookmaker might pay him if he hits a huge accumulator.

If you bet €100 on a bet 1,000 times what would you consider an amount of profit* that would be good?

Shanotheslayer

Division wrote: »

I have tried to ask people before on Internet forums how they got into the 2% but it never goes anywhere.

We probably all started off betting a tenner on the weekend accumulator but what did you change to make a consistent long term profit?

That would be much more valuable to the opening poster than wondering how much a bookmaker might pay him if he hits a huge accumulator.

If you bet €100 on a bet 1,000 times what would you consider an amount of profit* that would be good?

Yeh I started with small accums back in the day, 1 euro 15 days etc etc. Then i learned what how to bet and learned about value and point systems.

In your scenario, it would depends on the odds of the bets imo. I Wouldn't stake €100 on a 10/1 horse etc.

I do points system. 1pt -2 pt normal and anything more than that i'm really confident on.

I think in my last few posts in here I tipped :

4pter Won
2pter Won
1pter Won

Odds of 1.95 (4pts), 2pts(evens) 1pt(2.6) that is decent returns imo for the last few posts here but that's just obviously a small portion of bets.

I keep spread sheets of everything I bet/ follow also so I know where I'm losing money etc etc

Division

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I keep spread sheets of everything I bet/ follow also so I know where I'm losing money etc etc

Sounds like you're going well. The part I quoted is the key to improving for everyone.

Next step would be trying to figure out a way to price up your favourite betting market. When you start putting your opinion down in numbers it will refine your betting a lot.

Good luck, keep it going.

Division

This is a point that is important to consider. Just from a theoretical point of view which of this would you try to realistically aim for to answer the question?

If you bet €1 on a bet 100 times what would you consider a total amount of profit* that would be good?

€5, €12, €17, €24, €50, €150

Shanotheslayer

Division wrote: »

This is a point that is important to consider. Just from a theoretical point of view which of this would you try to realistically aim for to answer the question?

If you bet €1 on a bet 100 times what would you consider a total amount of profit* that would be good?

€5, €12, €17, €24, €50, €150

Unless I'm having an epic maths fail. €12 would be a 12% ROI?12% Is huge ROI in my opinion.

Pretty sure average is like 1-3% ROI?


Edit:
Thanks On saying i'm going well. Still a lot to learn but my tracking is a lot of work put in

Division

Average is about -5%. Pros do between 4-8% generally. Its important to realise the margins are small and bet accordingly. Its a marathon and you are doing the right things so have patience and use good bankroll management.

Try writing some decent previews for your bets, 200 - 300 words. Share it if you want and see if others can help you out with some aspect of your analysis or just keep it for yourself but be able to justify to yourself why you are betting whatever you choose to bet on.