Painting interior doors and skirting help

dnme

Hi all,

I'd appreciate any advice. I am repainting the skirting and doors. They were originally choc ice brown which was awful so I decided to paint them white just to get the place livable. The old paint was oil based or at least I assume so.

I spent a week sanding which was pure hell. I used a Black and Decker mouse which saved serious time but still the dust and noise was awful. I then went to prime and after reading various advice online, I went with Zinsser Bullseye 123 primer. This paint job is slow, I am managing to get two doors/frames and room skirting down per evening. The primer looks a little streaky and thin on the wood. As I get further and further into the paint job I am getting worried that I'll never finish due to the sheer amount of wood I need to cover.

Can anyone advise me, what top coat to use that will make my life as easy as possible ? I basically want a product that will brush on well and look well. If I can get away with one coat great, but if I have to, I'll suffer doing two coats. I cant bear the thoughts of sanding between coats, it's just so much work, so dirty, too intricate and too much surface area. I just want the wood white and looking reasonably well.

Can anyone advise me, what top coat to use that will make my life as easy as possible ?

Many thanks

Ceepo

dnme wrote: »

Hi all,

I'd appreciate any advice. I am repainting the skirting and doors. They were originally choc ice brown which was awful so I decided to paint them white just to get the place livable. The old paint was oil based or at least I assume so.

I spent a week sanding which was pure hell. I used a Black and Decker mouse which saved serious time but still the dust and noise was awful. I then went to prime and after reading various advice online, I went with Zinsser Bullseye 123 primer. This paint job is slow, I am managing to get two doors/frames and room skirting down per evening. The primer looks a little streaky and thin on the wood. As I get further and further into the paint job I am getting worried that I'll never finish due to the sheer amount of wood I need to cover.

Can anyone advise me, what top coat to use that will make my life as easy as possible ? I basically want a product that will brush on well and look well. If I can get away with one coat great, but if I have to, I'll suffer doing two coats. I cant bear the thoughts of sanding between coats, it's just so much work, so dirty, too intricate and too much surface area. I just want the wood white and looking reasonably well.

Can anyone advise me, what top coat to use that will make my life as easy as possible ?

Many thanks

Putting white over dark brown unfortunately is going to require 3 if not 4 coats.
A very light sanding is all that's required between coat. Use a sanding pad or block as it's easier.
Realistically there was no need for a primer. In generally you would only use a primer on new timber or varnished timber that you want to paint.
Water-based paint will be easier to use than oil based but there is very little hiding power in white satinwood or gloss paint.
You could chance putting water-based undercoat on as your next coat but you will still need a few more coats.

Normally in that situation I would use 2no coats of undercoat (3 if required) and 1 coat of gloss.
Or 1 coat of undercoat and 2no coats of Satinwood, all would be oil based.

It will take time to do it right.

TTTT

Oil based will give you the best results. Give the Bin a light sand before you undercoat. Be advised that the smell off the oil based is intense. I would not recommend doing it in the evening as you'll be breathing it all night. Best done in the morning and leave the windows open.

Water based looks **** and is ****.

If the Bin is streaky you might be over working it. It dries very quickly so you have to brush / roll it fast and leave it. It will sand smooth easily though.

markc1184

I recently had the same work done on skirting while getting my place decorated. In total it took 2 coats of undercoat and 2 coats of satinwood. As said above definitely try get it done early in the day.

The Princess Bride

I did this last year and like the others have said, it took 2 coats of primer or undercoat-I alternated - and 2-3 of top coat.

I used Colourtrend French White which looks better than regular white imo.
Skirting and doors, bannisters too-house looks lovely and warm and bright.
Well worth the effort and time taken, I did it all myself.

dnme

Thanks all for the replies. Ive a lot going on in my life atm so have not been able to respond here, apologies.

TBH I went down the water based route by accident. I went into B&Q to buy paint without my glasses. Ended up coming home with water based primer. I only copped on when I went to wash the brush in white spirits. Painting used to be so simple. Now there's so many products to choose from. I didn't even realise there was a whole new family of water based products. The last time I painted wood was in the early 90s

Anyhow, after coating half the house in that initial water based primer, I decided to stick with water based. I now have two coats of water based undercoat on everything.

1. Tell me, looking at the attached images, would you say I need another coat of undercoat or am I ready to start with top coat (s) ?

2. How many top coats would you go with ?

3. Is it possible to use oil based top coat over the water based undercoat ? The reason I ask is that I reckon it might flow and smooth itself better than water although I'm really clutching at straws here.

stooge

1. Tell me, looking at the attached images, would you say I need another coat of undercoat or am I ready to start with top coat (s) ?
Looks ok to me to start on the top coat

2. How many top coats would you go with ?
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3. Is it possible to use oil based top coat over the water based undercoat ? The reason I ask is that I reckon it might flow and smooth itself better than water although I'm really clutching at straws here.
It might make a mess of what you have but you could try it out on a section first.

Probably going to do something similar myself soon with varnished red deal doors and skirting

The Princess Bride

When mine looked like that, I did another undercoat before I started with the top coats.
Am sure others would have gone straight to top from there.

J.R.

The advantage of using water based white paint is that it will stay while longer...not yellow.

Many of the modern satinwoods & gloss that are oil based tend to yellow and look old very quickly after painting........within 6-8 months.

Water based will stay white and not yellow for much longer.

The disadvantage of water based is that it is not as hard wearing as oil-based and often needs an extra coat for coverage over the oil-based.

I did my kitchen presses in water based and all of the doors, architrave and frames in the house. I was sick of doing it with oil based satinwood and oil based gloss ....huge job....and it all beginning to yellow within a few months when oil-based was used.

Fries-With-That

dnme wrote: »

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1. Tell me, looking at the attached images, would you say I need another coat of undercoat or am I ready to start with top coat

In my experience it doesn't matter how many coats of water based undercoat it gets it will still look greyish.

If I was you I'd start on top coats now, using a water based gloss/satin, these water based products go on much easier than oil based.

Have you considered using a mini roller on the doors you'd fly through them.

Rancid

2 top coats with Satinwood using a brush for the recessed parts and a FLOCKED mini roller for the rest. The flocked roller sleeves give a lovely finish.
Harris brand or Dosco.

dodzy

Rancid wrote: »

2 top coats with Satinwood using a brush for the recessed parts and a FLOCKED mini roller for the rest. The flocked roller sleeves give a lovely finish.
Harris brand or Dosco.

I've noticed that satinwood oil based does yellow very quickly as previously posted. They ain't making paint like they used to; same with everything really:(

J.R.

dodzy wrote: »

I've noticed that satinwood oil based does yellow very quickly as previously posted. They ain't making paint like they used to; same with everything really:(

Yes - seemingly it has to do with EU legislation & rules.......reducing Volitle Organic Compounds (VOCs) in the paint

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/9188572/Dulux-pays-thousands-in-compensation-after-Brilliant-White-gloss-fades-to-yellow.html