Rust....

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

I've a UK car. When I bought it I noticed the back arches were rusting, not badly but enough to have that orange peel look. In march I took it to a garage to have rust cut out and sprayed. Noticed today both arches are rusted again.

This normal or should I be taking it back to the garage?

Wibbs

Hugh Mungus wrote: »

I've a UK car. When I bought it I noticed the back arches were rusting, not badly but enough to have that orange peel look. In march I took it to a garage to have rust cut out and sprayed. Noticed today both arches are rusted again.

This normal or should I be taking it back to the garage?

Just my humble now HM, but I'd be a very unhappy chappie to have rust bubbling through this soon after. It really shouldn't IF the job is done right. With rust you have to remove all of it, or as much as is humanly possible. Otherwise it'll just keep eating away under the paint. With very minor surface rust you can get away with sanding it away as much as possible, followed by a rust inhibitor/convertor solution, followed by high zinc primer, followed by paint/underseal where applicable(I prefer paint TBH, that way you can keep an eye on it). When paint has bubbled this means the corrosion has perorated all the way through the steel and has become porous. In such case it MUST be cut away back to clean bare metal and new metal welded in, inhibited, primed and painted.

That's the proper way to do it. It sounds like they didn't do this, or do this enough, sanded down the rust, hit it with "rust killer"* and filler and painted over it. So the prexisting rust has kept on corroding and now is bubbling through again. All too common a job, as the proper way is more labour intensive and many people just won't pay for the time and effort. If you paid decent money for this "repair" I'd defo be going back to raise hell TBH.



*rust killer only works on an extremely thin surface layer and is at best a slow down for thicker rust spreading.

JohnBoy26

Hugh Mungus wrote: »

I've a UK car. When I bought it I noticed the back arches were rusting, not badly but enough to have that orange peel look. In march I took it to a garage to have rust cut out and sprayed. Noticed today both arches are rusted again.

This normal or should I be taking it back to the garage?

Sounds like it was just sanded back and filled with fillers. It all depends on how much it cost really.

If it was cheap you've got what you paid for but if it was an expensive job id definitely be taking it back. A proper repair should last a lot longer than a year.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Thanks for the replies fellas. I'm at work so my reply will be very quick. It cost €600 to get both rear arches done and a front wing painted. I'd assumed the cost was high due to the rust being cut out, welded, treated, primed and painted. I probably assumed wrong if it's coming through already. I've a nasty two inch bubble on one arch and orange peel on the other. I've asked what was done and it was sanded and treated with the rust thing. Obviously they didn't do all of it.

Am i within my rights to bring it back and ask for the job to be redone? I've got the receipt still from mid march 16' when it was done.

Wibbs

Hugh Mungus wrote: »

I've asked what was done and it was sanded and treated with the rust thing.

Then all they did was agitate the rust TBH. Not a proper job, though as I say all too common enough.

JohnBoy26

Hugh Mungus wrote: »

Thanks for the replies fellas. I'm at work so my reply will be very quick. It cost €600 to get both rear arches done and a front wing painted. I'd assumed the cost was high due to the rust being cut out, welded, treated, primed and painted. I probably assumed wrong if it's coming through already. I've a nasty two inch bubble on one arch and orange peel on the other. I've asked what was done and it was sanded and treated with the rust thing. Obviously they didn't do all of it.

Am i within my rights to bring it back and ask for the job to be redone? I've got the receipt still from mid march 16' when it was done.

Sanding the arch won't address the problem as it usually is rusting from the inside out. Cutting the old metal out and welding new metal in is the only way.

The way yours was done is common enough though, especially if you weren't specific about welding new metal in.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

I was specific when I said I wanted a good job not a cheap job done. I had fully expected the arches to last more than 9 months.

rex-x

To honest for that work you really paid for too little, 600 is nothing for the job that needed doing! Doesn't really make you any less entitled to have it redone though IMO, 1 year is a shockingly bad repair

Special Circumstances

I have a car that might need some de-rust surgery... if that was a limerick outfit could you PM the name so I don't bother with them when I go to suss it out... :-)

Price not bad I think for that job, it was never gonna last longterm I suppose. They really should have said we can do this for that price or a proper job for this price.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Special Circumstances wrote: »

I have a car that might need some de-rust surgery... if that was a limerick outfit could you PM the name so I don't bother with them when I go to suss it out... :-)

Price not bad I think for that job, it was never gonna last longterm I suppose. They really should have said we can do this for that price or a proper job for this price.

It's in county Limerick! ...Youd be going well out of your way to find this place so I'd say you're ok.

Wibbs

rex-x wrote: »

To honest for that work you really paid for too little, 600 is nothing for the job that needed doing!

TBH yeah that sounds a bit cheap alright, depending on the level of rust and welding involved. If it had been say 600 quid a side plus whatever extra for the wing then I'd be far more angry.

Doesn't really make you any less entitled to have it redone though IMO, 1 year is a shockingly bad repair

Aye. Even considering the cost only getting a year out of it is not on IMH. Depends on how much metal was involved in the first place of course HM. For a UK car with their salted roads… By the time you see a bubble it's pretty far gone in that area. Rust is like an iceberg, more going on under the surface. Double the area is affected compared to what you can see. If it's on a box section like a sill it can be much much worse. In your case the inner arches were likely affected too, so even if they had let in good steel on the visible side it would come back to haunt you. As an example from another forum I'm on.



This was "only slight bubbling in one spot". Look how much the body shop cut out so far and they chopped out and replaced the inner sill bit too. IIRC the going rate for such a job(for both wings) was around 1000-1500 in sterling quids, so 600 is very cheap. You kinda get what you pay for.

That said and this is what pisses me off with some in the trade(and not just motor) they should have given you the option. That's what would piss me off TBH. Give me the "ahh shure it'll do boss" price and the "if this was my car and I wanted a real job done" price and let me decide. Don't tell me it's repaired to a budget only to fail later.

You can tell I'm para about rust. My car's more anti rust wax than steel at this stage...

Stravos Murphy

And people still import uk cars, the salt is being blasted at the underbody while they are doing 80 plus mph over on the motorways there. It's almost sand blasting them.

cml387

Stravos Murphy wrote: »

And people still import uk cars, the salt is being blasted at the underbody while they are doing 80 plus mph over on the motorways there. It's almost sand blasting them.

May be OT but...what do you think they put on the roads over here?

Yep. Salt.

JohnBoy26

cml387 wrote: »

May be OT but...what do you think they put on the roads over here?

Yep. Salt.

Not nearly as much of it though.