Have seen it all now

n97 mini

Was on the 16 coming through upper Drumcondra and a dodgy enough lad in his late 20s boarded and flashed a travel pass at the driver. Driver told him to scan it on the validator to the right. Lad said it was the old type that didn't scan and that he was waiting on a new one. Driver looked closer and said "that's an OAP pass, you can't use that on this bus" and put him off.

In retrospect I think the driver should have confiscated the pass as it clearly didn't belog to the person trying to use it, and may have been stolen. But still, kudos to the driver for not just waving him on.

pilly

Cheeky ****er, bus driver definitely should have taken it off him. On the other hand does that mean with the new ones that beep they're never checked?

n97 mini

Yeah, possible that if it had scanned he would have been let on.

macroman

There was a notice up in depots stating we were not permitted to confiscate passes.

AFAIK only inspectors and members of revenue protection are able to take fraudulent passes, and they have to contact DSW prior to doing so.

Sam Russell

pilly wrote: »

Cheeky ****er, bus driver definitely should have taken it off him. On the other hand does that mean with the new ones that beep they're never checked?

When they beep they show on the validator what type of card they are. I assume that is mirrored to the driver otherwise how can he keep up with passengers getting on the bus and offering up various cards?

n97 mini

I can understand the sentiment. If said person gets shirty because the driver confiscated the pass the driver could be facing an ugly situation which is beyond the call of duty.

But, in my 17 years of using DB not once I have seen an inspector, so that's also a bit unrealistic.

VG31

n97 mini wrote: »

But, in my 17 years of using DB not once I have seen an inspector, so that's also a bit unrealistic.

They're still uncommon but I've seen a lot more inspectors over the last two years or so. There was one time my Leap card was checked three days in a row. Often I find over a period of two or three days there are inspectors everywhere.

dfx-

VG31 wrote: »

They're still uncommon but I've seen a lot more inspectors over the last two years or so. There was one time my Leap card was checked three days in a row. Often I find over a period of two or three days there are inspectors everywhere.

As I saw the 'fare dodgers pay' and all the shiny statistics on an ad board on a bus at 10/11pm tonight, I wondered how many inspectors are out ticket checking in the suburbs tonight. I guessed very few.:)

Largely they check in the city centre or the airport corridor routes (Dorset St/Drumcondra/Santry/Beaumont) in the daytime and the northern half of the 16 is ferociously checked in my experience.

Carawaystick

n97 mini wrote: »

But, in my 17 years of using DB not once I have seen an inspector, so that's also a bit unrealistic.

I saw 3 inspectors this morning get on at Alsaa, Dublin airport, and get off at the crossroads just before Northwood, Santry; They crossed to get on a northbound bus

alane20

macroman wrote:

There was a notice up in depots stating we were not permitted to confiscate passes.

macroman wrote:

AFAIK only inspectors and members of revenue protection are able to take fraudulent passes, and they have to contact DSW prior


That only applies to the new smart card passes, as they are used to collect " their money" 🙄 at the post office, old paper ones can still be taken, I'd say in 9 years I've confiscated about 100 passes, honestly in the last 1 to 2 years I haven't bothered, it's a never ending battle for no reward, the rpu teams are around but nowhere near enough of them,

Stheno

n97 mini wrote: »

I can understand the sentiment. If said person gets shirty because the driver confiscated the pass the driver could be facing an ugly situation which is beyond the call of duty.

But, in my 17 years of using DB not once I have seen an inspector, so that's also a bit unrealistic.

The same inspector has been manning the bus stop on O'Connell Bridge outside USIT since I was in college in 1991! He appears to be there permanently!

domrush

Stheno wrote: »

The same inspector has been manning the bus stop on O'Connell Bridge outside USIT since I was in college in 1991! He appears to be there permanently!

Nice fella

Losty Dublin

Stheno wrote: »

The same inspector has been manning the bus stop on O'Connell Bridge outside USIT since I was in college in 1991! He appears to be there permanently!

The sort of inspector like him aren't ticket inspectors.

Sam Russell

n97 mini wrote: »

I can understand the sentiment. If said person gets shirty because the driver confiscated the pass the driver could be facing an ugly situation which is beyond the call of duty.

But, in my 17 years of using DB not once I have seen an inspector, so that's also a bit unrealistic.

I could have said that but twice today on different buses there was an inspector, and RP personel were at work at Lansdowne Dart station today and the other week there was the full revenue protection team on the bus.

So, it looks likely that DB has woken up to checking tickets.

If the chances of being caught without a ticket rises, then so does the benefit of having a ticket. [€100 for no ticket and €2.40 for a ticket - no contest].

Isambard

Losty Dublin wrote: »

The sort of inspector like him aren't ticket inspectors.

probably a Regulator?

macroman

Some of the inspector positions - some inspectors wouldn't be exclusive to each role, one inspector could be on revenue one day and controlling the next. There's a few inspectors in the training school too.

Stance - on the street, usually Westmoreland St/Aston Quay, Bachelors Walk, Abbey St, O'Connell St. Hide & Seek champions
Mobile - respond to incidents around the network by car, return any buses without driver back to their depots in evening
Depot - allocates duties & buses to drivers, deals with lost property, yard man sorts out any issues with the morning run out and oversees bus checks
Controller - based in Central, each controller monitors a variety of routes and regulates the service, organises emergency services if requested by drivers
Revenue - heads up revenue protection units of 1 inspector and 3 drivers who check tickets/passes on buses

jimmycrackcorm

Stheno wrote: »

The same inspector has been manning the bus stop on O'Connell Bridge outside USIT since I was in college in 1991! He appears to be there permanently!

I've never seen him actually do anything - has anyone?

bigredone

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I've never seen him actually do anything - has anyone?

I will wager you have never seen a depot or controller inspector do anything either?
It don't mean they are not doing something just because you don't know what it is.

Arcade_Tryer

n97 mini wrote: »

In retrospect I think the driver should have confiscated the pass as it clearly didn't belog to the person trying to use it,

Meanwhile in the real world, bus drivers do not have the power of police officials thankfully.

StreetLight

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Meanwhile in the real world, bus drivers do not have the power of police officials thankfully.

Actually, Dublin Bus drivers have the power of arrest.

AlekSmart

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Meanwhile in the real world, bus drivers do not have the power of police officials thankfully.

Equally thankfully,the "Real-World" can often be somewhat more realistic than some expect.
The Dublin Bus By-Laws,being of relatively recent enactment (1996) are a very robust set of requirements accepted by customers upon boarding the bus.

Perhaps this section (58-60) may clarify the situation.

https://www.dublinbus.ie/About-Us/Dublin-Bus-Bye-Laws/Enforcement-Procedures/

58 (c) Where any such person refuses or fails to comply with a request under paragraph (a) or (b) of this Bye-Law or following such request such person gives a name and address which the authorised person has reasonable grounds for believing is false or misleading, such person may be detained by the authorised person until the arrival of a member of the Garda Síochána.

60 (a) Any person who is reasonably suspected by an authorised person of contravening or of attempting to contravene these Bye-Laws may be removed from the vehicle by an authorised person or a member of the Garda Síochána acting on the request of such authorised person.
60 (b) In the exercise of the power conferred on him under paragraph (a) of this Bye-Law an authorised person or member of the Garda Síochána may use such reasonable force as is necessary.

The full monty are available here....https://www.dublinbus.ie/About-Us/Dublin-Bus-Bye-Laws/

You can also get a printed version free of charge rom Dublin Bus Head Office 59 Upr O Connell St.

punisher5112

macroman wrote: »

There was a notice up in depots stating we were not permitted to confiscate passes.

AFAIK only inspectors and members of revenue protection are able to take fraudulent passes, and they have to contact DSW prior to doing so.

That is not the case although when the cards were out 1st you are right a notice was put up across depots but that was changed.

I member of any grade be it driver or inspector can confiscate the new cards if it is being misused and not actually that of the person pictured.

Arcade_Tryer

StreetLight wrote: »

Actually, Dublin Bus drivers have the power of arrest.

They don't have the power to take somebody's property.

punisher5112

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

They don't have the power to take somebody's property.

Nobody stated anything about taking anyone's property but if you mean a social card or pass its actually still property of the state facilities it was given from.