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Poll- Do you care about Trump's taxes?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,048 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Rightwing wrote: »
    I don't see any poll here.
    And no, I don't care about his taxes, or anyone's for that matter, smart people try to limit their taxes. Why waste your money on big Governments?

    I don't care about his taxes either, but the fact that he won't release them is an admission that he has something very shady to hide.

    I don't care about his personal finances, but I do want to know what he is hiding


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,853 ✭✭✭eire4


    FatherTed wrote: »
    You can say the same about democrats in majorly red states. Or even in blue states, I'm sure a lot of democrats in CA any NY said well my state is going blue anyway so why bother.

    All the more reason that the EC is a flawed idea now. If it is based on popular vote, we would get a much bigger turnout. I would guess maybe 10% more.

    In any case about the original topic, yes we should see Trump's tax returns. He complains about being audited but that didn't stop Nixon when he was being audit. The IRS commissioner has said the audit does not prevent him from releasing his returned plus he is being audited for years after 2009 so why can he release his returns up to 2008? But it doesn't matter much anyway because the election is over and no matter what is in his tax returns won't change the minds of the trump minority. He said it himself, he could go down 5th ave and shoot someone and nothing would happen to him.

    You are correct about that last quote from Trump himself about shooting someone on 5th avenue. But that would only apply to his hardcore supporters. Let us not forget almost half the electorate did not vote at all at 46% and of those who did vote he still finished second in votes cast. So I would venture to say seeing his tax returns is something that is important to a large chunk of Americans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,853 ✭✭✭eire4


    Akrasia wrote: »
    I don't care about his taxes either, but the fact that he won't release them is an admission that he has something very shady to hide.

    I don't care about his personal finances, but I do want to know what he is hiding

    I am in complete agreement with you there. The fact that he has refused for so long to release his taxes makes me feel he has something to hide and as such I want to see them to see if indeed that is the case.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Akrasia wrote: »
    I don't care about his taxes either, but the fact that he won't release them is an admission that he has something very shady to hide.

    There is a strong enough sentiment of non-co-operation even without anything to hide in the US. This from HuffPo, for example.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-morgan/5-reasons-you-should-neve_b_1292554.html

    Who says there has to be anything to hide? There is no legal obligation for him to forfeit his privacy, why should he? Besides, the IRS has likely been paying close attention to him for a few years, by now. So far, they've not found anything untowards.
    All the more reason that the EC is a flawed idea now. If it is based on popular vote, we would get a much bigger turnout. I would guess maybe 10% more.

    A good reason to change the federal structure of the US is to get a bigger turnout for Presidential elections? I choose to live in California. I may not entirely agree with the politicians which run this place, but if the fact that this place votes Democratic all the time is that much of an anathema to me, I can always move to another part of this country which more closely reflects my opinions on things. However, as long as I live here, what happens in Nevada or Wyoming or New York, and how they select their preferences for President and in what numbers, is their business, not mine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    A good reason to change the federal structure of the US is to get a bigger turnout for Presidential elections? I choose to live in California. I may not entirely agree with the politicians which run this place, but if the fact that this place votes Democratic all the time is that much of an anathema to me, I can always move to another part of this country which more closely reflects my opinions on things. However, as long as I live here, what happens in Nevada or Wyoming or New York, and how they select their preferences for President and in what numbers, is their business, not mine.

    I don't get what point you're trying to make, how would changing the EC votes to a per-capita basis or making the Presidential election to a popular vote system somehow change how state level politics are ran internally? And how would it have changed any of the states that voted for Trump from still having voted for him, either by way of EC per capita representation, or by a majority of their own popular vote? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,048 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    There is a strong enough sentiment of non-co-operation even without anything to hide in the US. This from HuffPo, for example.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-morgan/5-reasons-you-should-neve_b_1292554.html





    Who says there has to be anything to hide? There is no legal obligation for him to forfeit his privacy, why should he? Besides, the IRS has likely been paying close attention to him for a few years, by now. So far, they've not found anything untowards.
    If Trump had used this as a reason for not disclosing his taxes then you might have a point, but he hasn't. He has simply delayed and fudged the issue saying that he would release his taxes at some point in the future and now that the election is over, he's saying that there's no reason to because nobody cares.

    Trump didn't take a principled stance, so the only other reason for not releasing this information is that he is hiding something.

    It's probably something that is not illegal, or the IRS would have caught him in one of the audits, (and the fact that he's audited so often indicates that the IRS don't trust him) but it's likely to be something that is borderline illegal, or points at a very compromising financial status.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,839 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Who says there has to be anything to hide? There is no legal obligation for him to forfeit his privacy, why should he? Besides, the IRS has likely been paying close attention to him for a few years, by now. So far, they've not found anything untowards.

    You've used this approach in a couple of posts now, which suggests that the only thing a person could possibly have to hide in their tax returns is tax evasion.

    I think that's about the only thing that people aren't expecting to see from someone who's under close IRS scrutiny. There are other things his tax returns could indicate, such as his level of indebtedness or his business dealings with Russia.

    Of course, the only reason those things are interesting is because they would prove that he has lied, which - let's face it - isn't all that interesting, because we already know the man lies with pretty much every breath he takes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭Amerika


    After the way the media has treated him and continues to do so as another time time old tradition of ‘respect for the office even if you disagree with the occupant’ has also been thrown out the window... at this point I don’t think he’ll ever release his tax returns while President. As with every sitting president his returns will be routinely audited as long as he is in office. The New Rudeness of the media will come back to haunt them as the days of letting the press filter his message and shape the conversation seem to be over. There are reports that the Trump administration may even eject reporters from their home in the West Wing to some other area.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,853 ✭✭✭eire4


    Freedom of the Press and not respecting the first amendment and its protections on freedom of speach and freedom of the press are among the things I expect to see infringed continually under Trumps regime. It's what authoritarian demagogues like Trump do.

    Of course the restrictions on the first amendment and freedom of the press in the US have been going underway for a while especially since Bush and certainly continued by Obama seeing the US fall to 46th in the world in terms of press freedom. I expect that authoritarian trend with regard to freedom of speach and freedom of the press to continue if not accelerate under Trump's regime.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/02/the-united-states-just-finished-46th-in-a-press-freedom-contest/283798/


    As an aside I find it interesting that Republicans who bleat on incessantly about protecting the second amendment seem so quiet when it comes to the first amendment.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭Amerika


    eire4 wrote: »
    Freedom of the Press and not respecting the first amendment and its protections on freedom of speach and freedom of the press are among the things I expect to see infringed continually under Trumps regime. It's what authoritarian demagogues like Trump do.

    Of course the restrictions on the first amendment and freedom of the press in the US have been going underway for a while especially since Bush and certainly continued by Obama seeing the US fall to 46th in the world in terms of press freedom. I expect that authoritarian trend with regard to freedom of speach and freedom of the press to continue if not accelerate under Trump's regime.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/02/the-united-states-just-finished-46th-in-a-press-freedom-contest/283798/


    As an aside I find it interesting that Republicans who bleat on incessantly about protecting the second amendment seem so quiet when it comes to the first amendment.

    Oh, fear not. As long as Trump doesn't do anything really evil... like unleashing the IRS on his enemies, or acquire journalists' phone records, or persecute political opponents, or ignore Freedom Of Information Act requests, I think the First Amendment will survive. Perhaps if our MSM turns course form the lie machines they've become, they will start to again earn some of our respect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Amerika wrote: »
    Oh, fear not. As long as Trump doesn't do anything really evil... like unleashing the IRS on his enemies, or acquire journalists' phone records, or persecute political opponents, or ignore Freedom Of Information Act requests, I think the First Amendment will survive. Perhaps if our MSM turns course form the lie machines they've become, they will start to again earn some of our respect.

    And the best part is if/when he does, we all know who'll turn right around and say it's a good thing he did... just like gerrymandering!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,853 ✭✭✭eire4


    Amerika wrote: »
    Oh, fear not. As long as Trump doesn't do anything really evil... like unleashing the IRS on his enemies, or acquire journalists' phone records, or persecute political opponents, or ignore Freedom Of Information Act requests, I think the First Amendment will survive. Perhaps if our MSM turns course form the lie machines they've become, they will start to again earn some of our respect.

    Right because so far Trump has shown such a great open mind with anybody who is critical of them so far. In any case given you just parrot whatever the official Republican line is no matter what. As Trump's own behaviour in this regard has already show your parroting of the official Republican propaganda line as usual leaves you with a distinct lack of creditability.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭Amerika


    eire4 wrote: »
    Right because so far Trump has shown such a great open mind with anybody who is critical of them so far. In any case given you just parrot whatever the official Republican line is no matter what. As Trump's own behaviour in this regard has already show your parroting of the official Republican propaganda line as usual leaves you with a distinct lack of creditability.

    And the Democrats and MSN have become crazed lunatics with the mere mention of Trump. Look at the topics from yesterday’s Washington Post’s opinion page:

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    I kinda hope they both keep it up. And as a consequence the democrats will continue to lose elections, and the MSM will sink to an even lower trust level then the abysmal opinion the public already has of them.

    Better come to terms with things. The Orange Overlord is winning, regardless of what the lie factories report. His cabinet picks will all be confirmed and will immediately go about reversing Obama's regulatory abuses of power.

    But his taxes, oh, the taxes... right? Or is it the Russians, or the alt-right, or the Electoral College, or fake news. It's hard to keep up with the kool-aid flavor of the day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,853 ✭✭✭eire4


    Amerika wrote: »
    And the Democrats and MSN have become crazed lunatics with the mere mention of Trump. Look at the topics from yesterday’s Washington Post’s opinion page:

    WapoOpeds.jpg

    I kinda hope they both keep it up. And as a consequence the democrats will continue to lose elections, and the MSM will sink to an even lower trust level then the abysmal opinion the public already has of them.

    Better come to terms with things. The Orange Overlord is winning, regardless of what the lie factories report. His cabinet picks will all be confirmed and will immediately go about reversing Obama's regulatory abuses of power.

    But his taxes, oh, the taxes... right? Or is it the Russians, or the alt-right, or the Electoral College, or fake news. It's hard to keep up with the cool-aid flavor of the day.


    and as usual when you make a point and it is show to be false you change the topic hence your lack of credability. Again the point I am making has nothing at all to do with what you posted above. I am talking about the threats to infringe on the freedom of speach and freedom of the press which have been going under Bush and Obama and has already seen the US fall to 46th in the world in terms of press freedom. Now the Trump regime comes in and I think given his behaviour so far we will see an acceleration of infringing on the first amendment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    eire4 wrote: »
    and as usual when you make a point and it is show to be false you change the topic hence your lack of credability. Again the point I am making has nothing at all to do with what you posted above. I am talking about the threats to infringe on the freedom of speach and freedom of the press which have been going under Bush and Obama and has already seen the US fall to 46th in the world in terms of press freedom. Now the Trump regime comes in and I think given his behaviour so far we will see an acceleration of infringing on the first amendment.

    I wonder if someone's reponse is going to latch as strongly to this as possible, while ignoring all else - likely even the two words directly before it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭Amerika


    eire4 wrote: »
    and as usual when you make a point and it is show to be false you change the topic hence your lack of credability. Again the point I am making has nothing at all to do with what you posted above. I am talking about the threats to infringe on the freedom of speach and freedom of the press which have been going under Bush and Obama and has already seen the US fall to 46th in the world in terms of press freedom. Now the Trump regime comes in and I think given his behaviour so far we will see an acceleration of infringing on the first amendment.

    And what are these threats to infringe on the freedom of speech and freedom of the press you speak about? They will be free to print their lies no matter what Trump does.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,853 ✭✭✭eire4


    Amerika wrote: »
    And what are these threats to infringe on the freedom of speech and freedom of the press you speak about? They will be free to print their lies no matter what Trump does.

    Well lets see. For a start Trump has continually acted as bully on tweeter when facing any kind of criticism from people. Given his following there his aggressive behaviour has consequences for those who stand up and speak against him from an intimidation standpoint especially now he is about to be president that just increases the power. Both Bush and Obama went after whistleblowers and even jailed some. I expect this type of aggressive intimidation of the press to increase. I can see access to the president being restricted to only those in the press who will put forth the propaganda wanted and anybody critical will be excluded. The DOJ was used to go after reporters as for example the AP exposed in 2013. Phone records were seized, movements tracked etc. The FCC can be used to intimidate newsrooms. Refusal to deal with freedom of information requests, refusal to hold open press conferences rather then just scripted affairs, restrictions on how the president is shown and photographed etc etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭Amerika


    eire4 wrote: »
    Well lets see. For a start Trump has continually acted as bully on tweeter when facing any kind of criticism from people. Given his following there his aggressive behaviour has consequences for those who stand up and speak against him from an intimidation standpoint especially now he is about to be president that just increases the power. Both Bush and Obama went after whistleblowers and even jailed some. I expect this type of aggressive intimidation of the press to increase. I can see access to the president being restricted to only those in the press who will put forth the propaganda wanted and anybody critical will be excluded. The DOJ was used to go after reporters as for example the AP exposed in 2013. Phone records were seized, movements tracked etc. The FCC can be used to intimidate newsrooms. Refusal to deal with freedom of information requests, refusal to hold open press conferences rather then just scripted affairs, restrictions on how the president is shown and photographed etc etc.
    It appears the only real evidence of threats to infringe on the freedom of speech and freedom of the press were committed by Obama from your examples. The rest seems like conjecture. Are you sure it isn't Obama, and not Trump, where the greatest concerns should have been placed?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Billy86 wrote: »
    I wonder if someone's reponse is going to latch as strongly to this as possible, while ignoring all else - likely even the two words directly before it.

    What do I win? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,853 ✭✭✭eire4


    Amerika wrote: »
    It appears the only real evidence of threats to infringe on the freedom of speech and freedom of the press were committed by Obama from your examples. The rest seems like conjecture. Are you sure it isn't Obama, and not Trump, where the greatest concerns should have been placed?

    Only to people like yourself ( with your blinkered Republican corporatist glasses) who manage to avoid seeing the examples I give of Trumps intimidation and bullying behaviour already. Or the fact that Bush also jailed Whistleblowers. But certainly no question Obama has been terrible for freedom of the press as well no question about that. That is a fact and one I have no problem putting out there as his behaviour was wrong and needs to be called out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I'd love to see where his money ties are as would millions of the Americans he will be sworn to lead and protect the interests of by this weekend. We will get in all likelihood a lot of strings to a lot of foreigners. Like Russia.

    Side note: did anyone else notice how obviously fake his prop folders were at that press conference? As in, none of the folders were even labeled...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭SeamusFX


    Permabear wrote: »
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    Yes, despite an Irish name, I'm both Irish and American, I'm entitled to vote, I do vote and as I have more than half a brain, I definitely did not vote for a liar like Trump! Now Permabear, since you are so interested in me, I must ask you, are you an American citizen, did you vote and were you fooled by the conman named Trump and did you vote for him?

    I have many friends and relatives in America, fortunately most didn't vote for Trump, but I have a few misguided friends and relatives who did vote for Trump and it's very sad to say, but very true, the Trump supporters are the least intelligent and the least educated. This is a fact, from my circle of friends and relatives and it is also in line with many other statistics.

    The sad thing, most of the people I know who voted for Trump are the ones who will be the most negatively affected by a Trump presidency, with the only exception is a few friends that seem very intelligent, but unfortunately they are devout Catholics and despite many of their different opinions with Trump, they voted for Trump because they are strongly anti-abortion and another exception is a friend who is heavily involved in Republican politics and he even admitted if the Republican candidate was Mickey Mouse, he still would have voted Republican.

    I'm not attacking anyone in particular, but the facts are there, the less intelligent people voted for Trump, with a few exceptions. The ironic thing is a few years ago Trump was pro-abortion and there are unsubstantiated rumors that he paid for at least one abortions for an old girlfriend, but when he decided to run on the Republican ticket, he had to switch to the anti-abortion side. He also used to be for gun control too, he didn't have any moral epiphany, he just switched for the votes.

    There you have it, anti-abortion people, NRA people, hard core Republicans who will vote republican even if it may hurt the country and stupid people, that's who voted for Trump, which one are you?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭SeamusFX


    Permabear wrote: »
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    Well at least you didn't vote for Trump, but unfortunately in America a 3rd candidate has never won and may probably never win and as bad as you might have thought Hillary was, Trump is a virus and a vote for anyone but Clinton was a vote for Trump. I hope you are proud of yourself, because people who voted for Trump and those who stood back and let this liar become President have a lot to be accountable for. You may not realise it yet, but eventually many of the Trump supporters will wake up and realsie they were conned. Unfortunately, there is also many that are too stupid to ever realise they were conned and they're the ones who will be the worst affected, but there's nothing anyone can do for people like that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    SeamusFX wrote: »
    I hope you are proud of yourself, because people who voted for Trump and those who stood back and let this liar become President have a lot to be accountable for. You may not realise it yet, but eventually many of the Trump supporters will wake up and realsie they were conned. Unfortunately, there is also many that are too stupid

    And that is a very good example of why Hillary lost.

    The sneering contempt, the abuse of those who dare to not do what you want them to do.

    Keep it up, it is good reading!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭SeamusFX


    And that is a very good example of why Hillary lost.

    The sneering contempt, the abuse of those who dare to not do what you want them to do.

    Keep it up, it is good reading!

    Yes, you're right, Hillary lost because stupid people were conned by Trump, you've proved it!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    SeamusFX wrote: »
    Well at least you didn't vote for Trump, but unfortunately in America a 3rd candidate has never won and may probably never win and as bad as you might have thought Hillary was, Trump is a virus and a vote for anyone but Clinton was a vote for Trump. I hope you are proud of yourself, because people who voted for Trump and those who stood back and let this liar become President have a lot to be accountable for. You may not realise it yet, but eventually many of the Trump supporters will wake up and realsie they were conned. Unfortunately, there is also many that are too stupid to ever realise they were conned and they're the ones who will be the worst affected, but there's nothing anyone can do for people like that!

    I voted for Johnson as well, for, I suspect, similar reasons to Perma. A vote for Johnson is.. oddly, and contrary to your statement, a vote for Johnson. Voting for Clinton indicates that I support her over all others, that she best reflects my ideals and thoughts, and guess what sort of a candidate would show up next time around? This would not be a correct reflection of my opinion. If the cost is four years of Trump, so be it (I was actually ready for four years of Clinton, and was as surprised as everyone else). A democrat wants my vote? Provide a better candidate than anyone else does.

    Besides, had Johnson attained, what, 5% of the vote (?), the third party would have become eligible for federal financing. Which would be a good thing, I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭SeamusFX


    I voted for Johnson as well, for, I suspect, similar reasons to Perma. A vote for Johnson is.. oddly, and contrary to your statement, a vote for Johnson. Voting for Clinton indicates that I support her over all others, that she best reflects my ideals and thoughts, and guess what sort of a candidate would show up next time around? This would not be a correct reflection of my opinion. If the cost is four years of Trump, so be it (I was actually ready for four years of Clinton, and was as surprised as everyone else). A democrat wants my vote? Provide a better candidate than anyone else does.

    Besides, had Johnson attained, what, 5% of the vote (?), the third party would have become eligible for federal financing. Which would be a good thing, I think.

    That's where you are wrong, voting for Johnson is like fighting with your allies during a zombie invasion! Trump is a menace to society, whatever issues you may of had with Clinton or any of the Democrats, it pales in comparison to Trump! Plus, sadly many people had issues with Hillary because they believed fake news from Russia and other places, but refused to believe many true terrible stories about Trump!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭SeamusFX


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    So you're proud of the lying lowlife president you now have? That's just great, I wonder if you'll feel the same way in 4 years!


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    SeamusFX wrote: »

    That's where you are wrong, voting for Johnson is like fighting with your allies during a zombie invasion! Trump is a menace to society, whatever issues you may of had with Clinton or any of the Democrats, it pales in comparison to Trump! Plus, sadly many people had issues with Hillary because they believed fake news from Russia and other places, but refused to believe many true terrible stories about Trump!

    Oh, I am quite willing to accept that the stories about Trump were true. Part of the reason I didn't vote for him. And, if you don't mind, I'll be the judge of my issues I had with all the candidates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭SeamusFX


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    Maybe you have the reading comprehension issues? Unfortunately life is filled with compromises, although Hillary did not meet all of my expectations, she was the better choice since other than people blinded by prejudices or stupidity, it was pretty obvious Hillary was the best choice and the only one who could stop the cancer called Trump. So a vote for anyone else was a vote for Trump. Plus Johnson wasn't such a good choice either, he's almost as dumb as Trump!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭SeamusFX


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    Not great choices, but in life many times we don't have ideal choices. Maybe Hillary might not be totally in line with your with your beliefs, but talk about someone who "acted in a manner contrary to my beliefs and preferences", is clearly Trump. Clinton might be 100 miles away, but Trump is a billion miles away!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭SeamusFX


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    When you see the real Donald Trump and he starts destroying America, unraveling democracy and further separates the haves from the have nots, you'll have plenty of regrets!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    SeamusFX wrote: »
    When you see the real Donald Trump and he starts destroying America, unraveling democracy and further separates the haves from the have nots, you'll have plenty of regrets!


    Agreed.

    Well that is what the Americans want, as everyone knew what he is, they still voted for him. Too many clearly believed his BS and forgot about the real Trump. They made their beds now so they have to lay in them, to use an old expression. I cannot think of one redeeming quality he has.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Bozacke


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    Yes, if all the people in North Carolina who voted for Johnson voted for Clinton, Trump would have still won, but if Clinton got all of the independent votes, she would have won NC. Clinton getting all the independent votes is a bit of a stretch, but in other states, such as Pennsylvania, the Johnson vote was critical. In PA Trump won by only 68,000 votes and Johnson got 143,000 votes and Stein got 49,000 votes. So, yes, in PA a vote for Johnson was a vote for Trump.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Bozacke


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    That's where I disagree. If you were a Republican and you voted for Johnson, that might be OK, but any Democrat who voted for a 3rd party candidate, unbeknownst to them, they helped elect the worst president in US history!

    A protest vote is one thing, but doing it and allowing a Trump presidency is another.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,661 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Whether Trump releases his taxes or not won't make any difference to who the POTUS is.

    Take the scenerio he releases his taxes and there is an issue with them. It won't result in an impeachment. (Remember Clinton lied under oath and remained president.) He'll just be forced to resolve it with the IRS

    Whether people morally agree have a problem with a president's personal life, it rarely results in the downfall of a president. And that's essentially what people are hoping for here.

    I'm not a Trump supporter btw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,853 ✭✭✭eire4


    Well not surprisingly Trump or rather his mouthpiece Conway has just announced that he will not be releasing his taxes even after his audit is done which of course was his excuse for not releasing them before the election. So once again Trump has outright lied and it really just makes it look very strongly that he has something to hide because of his refusal to release them.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    SeamusFX wrote: »
    Trump says public doesn't care 'at all' about his taxes.

    Well maybe the stupid people that voted for him don't care about his taxes, but they're the same people that would jump off a bridge if he asked them. So please respond if you care about his taxes or not and also indicate if you are a Trump supporter or not.

    If Trump is to be president (so scary), he needs to be president for all the people, but just the 46% that voted for him and that was just 26% of eligible voters.

    I want to see his Taxes, the American people need to know the truth about his finances and yes, I did not and never would or could vote for a habitual liar like Trump!

    Is this an Irish forum or have we gone west? What is the whole issue regarding Trump? He was elected democratically by the American public and hey presto!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Permabear wrote: »
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    Oh, I am quite willing to accept that the stories about Trump were true. Part of the reason I didn't vote for him. And, if you don't mind, I'll be the judge of my issues I had with all the candidates.

    +1

    I also did not vote for Donald Trump in the Primaries nor the election; however, I had serious reservations about all the candidates on the Republican ballot and some serious concerns about Clinton's underlying policy.

    I would have preferred Clinton to Trump by a huge margin, which is why I voted for her.

    I have also removed my registration for the Republican primaries as a result of Trump's nomination btw. I don't feel that the current Republican ideals of social conservatism and fiscal recklessness reflect my political views.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭SeamusFX


    Permabear wrote: »
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    That's like someone who didn't bother to vote saying "He won by more than one vote, so my vote wouldn't have made a difference any way". Unfortunately it doesn't work that way, because if you get a million people saying the same thing, then it does make a difference. I really wish the US could have a 3rd party and in the past I voted for some 3rd party candidates, but the reality is, a 3rd party candidate can't win, at least not now and probably not for a long time, if ever. If there was little difference between a Republican and Democrat candidate, I wouldn't have a problem with voting 3rd party, but there is a huge difference between Hillary and Trump and Hillary isn't even that good, it's just that Trump is soooo bad! I'm not just blaming 3rd party voters, I'm also blaming Hillary, the Democrats, people that didn't vote the Republican party and the people that voted for Trump, particularly those that will be hurt by a Trump presidency and many of his supporters will be hurt by him.

    Now that trump and his minister of propaganda are claiming millions voted illegally, I propose they should void the election and have a new election and as long as the Russians don't hack it, I'm sure it would be a landslide against Trump, but we know that will never happen. I just hope America and the world can survive 4 years of Czar Trump!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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