irish sailor switches to Team GB for Tokyo olympics

judeboy101

http://www.the42.ie/saskia-tidey-tokyo-2020-3172883-Jan2017/

I can understand her logic for switching but how can she claim to still be proud to be Irish I she goes on to win a gold and sing god save the queen/king

s4uv3

judeboy101 wrote: »

http://www.the42.ie/saskia-tidey-tokyo-2020-3172883-Jan2017/

I can understand her logic for switching but how can she claim to still be proud to be Irish I she goes on to win a gold and sing god save the queen/king

She can't reach the level she wants to if she stays in Ireland. It's as simple as that.

As for "How can she claim to still be proud to be Irish", would you ever catch on to yourself :rolleyes:

kfallon

Is her ould fella the guy who was captured during the troubles and brought to Leitrem? (the worst punishment that could be dished out to anyone :P)

GLaDOS

We've benefited form people switching the other way no doubt.

Disappointing to be sure, but I can understand the decision.

Parchment

I can understand her decision but its not something i could do. Especially for GB.

The_Valeyard

Fine.

But if she fails to make Team GB for the Tokyo games she should not have the option to represent Ireland after.

judeboy101

s4uv3 wrote: »

She can't reach the level she wants to if she stays in Ireland. It's as simple as that.

As for "How can she claim to still be proud to be Irish", would you ever catch on to yourself :rolleyes:

We don't have a king our queen as our head of state. God save the queen is sung (if you read the words) as a song of allegiance to a saxe-coburg gotha monarch. I'm sure those two lads from cork could find another two equally brilliant British rowers to make a super gold winning fours.

s4uv3

judeboy101 wrote: »

We don't have a king our queen as our head of state. God save the queen is sung (if you read the words) as a song of allegiance to a saxe-coburg gotha monarch. I'm sure those two lads from cork could find another two equally brilliant British rowers to make a super gold winning fours.

She's entering a sailing competiton, not a singing contest. At the end of the day, the medal will be hanging on her wall and not that of a king/queen/president.

Anita Blow

In fairness if you read the article she explains why she's representing Team GB. After Rio, her Irish partner retired and there is no other sailor of a similar level to her (now retired) partner to make a competitive duo for the Tokyo Olympics. So she found a partner in the UK who she can partner with.

For these athletes, the Olympics is the pinnacle of their career. Do people expect her to retire just because her partner did? Or should she do what she can to ensure she can compete one more time? I think anybody would do the latter.

maudgonner

judeboy101 wrote: »

We don't have a king our queen as our head of state. God save the queen is sung (if you read the words) as a song of allegiance to a saxe-coburg gotha monarch. I'm sure those two lads from cork could find another two equally brilliant British rowers to make a super gold winning fours.

You seem to be hugely focused on the singing of the anthem. There are plenty of people who aren't. As evidenced by the fact that there's a huge percentage of Irish people who don't know the words to Amhrán na bhFiann, much less what it means.

Ferrari3600

kfallon wrote: »

Is her ould fella the guy who was captured during the troubles and brought to Leitrem? (the worst punishment that could be dished out to anyone :P)

I was just wondering the same, the surname is not very common.

There wasn’t an option here in Ireland in the 49er FX with another girl who had the experience to sail at the same level that I had finished up at [in Rio], to be competitive and win a medal in 2020

Her partner retired, it's this or nothing. She should go for it.

judeboy101

Deleted User wrote: »

Her partner retired, it's this or nothing. She should go for it.

No issue with that but she shouldn't go claiming she's still proud to be Irish when wearing a union jack and representing a monarch whose subjects have killed Irish men and women over the last 60 years in her name.

Grayson

judeboy101 wrote: »

No issue with that but she shouldn't go claiming she's still proud to be Irish when wearing a union jack and representing a monarch whose subjects have killed Irish men and women over the last 60 years in her name.

We're lucky we have people like you to tell us when we should be proud for being Irish otherwise we wouldn't know.

RayCon

Anita Blow wrote: »

In fairness if you read the article she explains why she's representing Team GB. After Rio, her Irish partner retired and there is no other sailor of a similar level to her (now retired) partner to make a competitive duo for the Tokyo Olympics. So she found a partner in the UK who she can partner with..

Would people give a flyin fcuk if she found a British partner who was willing to declare for Ireland ?

AGC

kfallon wrote: »

Is her ould fella the guy who was captured during the troubles and brought to Leitrem? (the worst punishment that could be dished out to anyone :P)

Yeap, RTE did a piece on her before Rio where she spoke about it.

pure.conya

RayCon wrote: »

Would people give a flyin fcuk if she found a British partner who was willing to declare for Ireland ?

No because the English competing for us is one thing, but going and competing for a nation that occupied our country, stole 6 of our counties while deliberately stirring the troubles up and murdered so many innocent men women and children is a whole different kettle of fish

Ferrari3600

judeboy101 wrote: »

No issue with that but she shouldn't go claiming she's still proud to be Irish when wearing a union jack and representing a monarch whose subjects have killed Irish men and women over the last 60 years in her name.

I bet you own a PLO scarf.

osarusan

She switched because her partner retired. Her partner was a UK sailor who switched to Ireland in 2013.

I will never forget the outrage that switch of allegiance caused on AH.

judeboy101

maudgonner wrote: »

You seem to be hugely focused on the singing of the anthem. There are plenty of people who aren't. As evidenced by the fact that there's a huge percentage of Irish people who don't know the words to Amhrán na bhFiann, much less what it means.

Our national anthem is just that, a national anthem. God save the queen is not a national anthem it is a sectarian pledge of allegiance.

maudgonner

judeboy101 wrote: »

Our national anthem is just that, a national anthem. God save the queen is not a national anthem it is a sectarian pledge of allegiance.

Our national anthem is a battle cry, a call to arms to kill the (English) invaders.

And by the way for some of those competing for Ireland at the Olympics God Save the Queen is their national anthem.

HigginsJ

Wow, I kinda thought we had move on from hating the English but this thread proves otherwise. In relation to her decision to move, she has to do what is best for her. It is not her ideal I'd imagine but she wants to compete and it's her best choice.

I doubt anyone will care in the intervening 3 & a half years but by god wait till we start claiming that medal if she gets on the podium in Tokyo.

She can be proud Irish and represent Team GB, they are not mutually exclusive.

Fratton Fred

judeboy101 wrote: »

We don't have a king our queen as our head of state. God save the queen is sung (if you read the words) as a song of allegiance to a saxe-coburg gotha monarch. I'm sure those two lads from cork could find another two equally brilliant British rowers to make a super gold winning fours.

what?

I'm pretty sure using oars in a sailing competition would get you banned

RayCon wrote: »

Would people give a flyin fcuk if she found a British partner who was willing to declare for Ireland ?

which is exactly what her previous partner had done. She was born in Hampshire, but had an Irish Granny

pure.conya wrote: »

No because the English competing for us is one thing, but going and competing for a nation that occupied our country, stole 6 of our counties while deliberately stirring the troubles up and murdered so many innocent men women and children is a whole different kettle of fish

aah yes, the good old double standards.

try not to dribble on your United shirt.

judeboy101

maudgonner wrote: »

Our national anthem is a battle cry, a call to arms to kill the (English) invaders.

And by the way for some of those competing for Ireland at the Olympics God Save the Queen is their national anthem.

Technically its Saxon foe and god save the queen is not the national anthem of the uk

Fratton Fred

judeboy101 wrote: »

Our national anthem is just that, a national anthem. God save the queen is not a national anthem it is a sectarian pledge of allegiance.

God save our gracious Queen
Long live our noble Queen
God save The Queen!
Send her victorious
Happy and glorious
Long to reign over us
God save The Queen!

could you point out the sectarian bits there please, or even the pledge of allegiance for that matter.

Fratton Fred

judeboy101 wrote: »

Technically its Saxon foe and god save the queen is not the national anthem of the uk

yes it is

ted1

pure.conya wrote: »

No because the English competing for us is one thing, but going and competing for a nation that occupied our country, stole 6 of our counties while deliberately stirring the troubles up and murdered so many innocent men women and children is a whole different kettle of fish

Yet her father was kidnapped by the IRA, so her family suffered at their hands not the British. Case of pot calling the kettle black.

Best of luck to her, hope she achieves her goals. Shame she couldn't get a partner and support from the Irish Sailing.

razorblunt

RayCon wrote: »

Would people give a flyin fcuk if she found a British partner who was willing to declare for Ireland ?

Brewster (her retired partner) was British wasn't she?

It's fúcking sailing lads, leave her at it.
The English cricket captain is Irish and doesn't sing their anthem.

A Little Pony

How does it feel ha. She wants to win a medal and become a British legend. Good luck to her.

judeboy101

Fratton Fred wrote: »

God save our gracious Queen
Long live our noble Queen
God save The Queen!
Send her victorious
Happy and glorious
Long to reign over us
God save The Queen!

could you point out the sectarian bits there please, or even the pledge of allegiance for that matter.

Mentions god, so that discriminates against polytheists and Satanists. She is also the defender of the faith and the head of her own religion. I'd say that all qualifies as sectarian

AGC

judeboy101 wrote: »

Mentions god, so that discriminates against polytheists and Satanists. She is also the defender of the faith and the head of her own religion. I'd say that all qualifies as sectarian

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

maudgonner

Jesus, the poor Satanists! Will nobody think of the Satanists!!!

FrKurtFahrt

Anita Blow wrote: »

In fairness if you read the article she explains why she's representing Team GB. After Rio, her Irish partner retired and there is no other sailor of a similar level to her (now retired) partner to make a competitive duo for the Tokyo Olympics. So she found a partner in the UK who she can partner with.

For these athletes, the Olympics is the pinnacle of their career. Do people expect her to retire just because her partner did? Or should she do what she can to ensure she can compete one more time? I think anybody would do the latter.

While I agree with her wish/need to do as well as possible at the Olympics - the pinnacle - and to be competitive, I was of the opinion that any country put their OWN best competitors forward to represent that country. I mean, by this logic, couldn't a swimmer from Italy, another from France, one from Belgium and one from Germany join team UK to make that relay team better, and to improve their own chances of winning? I can't agree with cherry-picking in this regard.

pure.conya

Fratton Fred wrote: »

what?

I'm pretty sure using oars in a sailing competition would get you banned



which is exactly what her previous partner had done. She was born in Hampshire, but had an Irish Granny



aah yes, the good old double standards.

try not to dribble on your United shirt.

I had mór grá for Liverpool in my youth but the last 10+ years I've watched 2 or 3 ROI games max, i gave up on the whole ridiculous fanaticism surrounding 22 men chasing a ball around a rectangular pitch and lads being paid more than a small countries GDP

super_furry

Can't blame her at all. With her partner gone, her choice is either switch to Great Britain or give up on having a chance at competing at the Olympics.

I doubt we'd be seeing so much talk about this if she was switching to Canada or Australia.

schizo1014

judeboy101 wrote: »

Mentions god, so that discriminates against polytheists and Satanists. She is also the defender of the faith and the head of her own religion. I'd say that all qualifies as sectarian

AH will only mention how our own national anthem talks about the saxon foe, but completely ignore where it mentions "Rebellious Scots to crush" in God Save the Queen, which seems a bit sectarian if you ask me, but sure boards obviously knows better :rolleyes:

maudgonner

FrKurtFahrt wrote: »

While I agree with her wish/need to do as well as possible at the Olympics - the pinnacle - and to be competitive, I was of the opinion that any country put their OWN best competitors forward to represent that country. I mean, by this logic, couldn't a swimmer from Italy, another from France, one from Belgium and one from Germany join team UK to make that relay team better, and to improve their own chances of winning? I can't agree with cherry-picking in this regard.

It happens all the time, and with a lot less justification than Tidey has. e.g.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/athletics/2016/1213/838446-greg-allen/

Sonia Sullivan has spoken out about it a lot, which is a little ironic since Sonia herself switched allegiances to represent Australia at the Commonwealth Games.

StudentDad

After reading some of the replies to this thread, maybe we could re-title it as: You're Not Irish If ....

You speak English? Accept the Common Law?

It would be nice to live in a world where nationalistic bull**** didn't get in the way of living!

SD

Fratton Fred

schizo1014 wrote: »

AH will only mention how our own national anthem talks about the saxon foe, but completely ignore where it mentions "Rebellious Scots to crush" in God Save the Queen, which seems a bit sectarian if you ask me, but sure boards obviously knows better :rolleyes:

http://www.aforceforgood.org.uk/precious/anthem1

The notion that a verse about "Marshal Wade" crushing "Rebellious Scots" is, or ever was, part of the British National Anthem is thoroughly debunked in this 5,500 word examination of the evidence.
Working from primary sources Alistair McConnachie discovers that the original 3 published verses of what became the British National Anthem are virtually the same as the 3 verses of the National Anthem today.

amen

She is also the defender of the faith and the head of her own religion.

Actually the initial Defender of the Faith title was bestowed on Henry VIII by Pope Leo X and refers to Henrys defending the Roman Catholic Faith.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidei_defensor

Fratton Fred

StudentDad wrote: »

After reading some of the replies to this thread, maybe we could re-title it as: You're Not Irish if ...

you don't support Celtic?

RasTa

She should be forced to repay whatever the OCI paid for her trip to Rio.

maudgonner

RasTa wrote: »

She should be forced to repay whatever the OCI paid for her trip to Rio.

Really, you want to open that can of worms?...

diomed

She has my permission to sail for the UK.

Mr. FoggPatches

Amid all this hullabaloo of whether she's a traitor or is she dead right, I'm sat here wondering if her nickname is 'bang'?

Fratton Fred

in reality, she should have gone to Germany.

As Annalise Murphy said, their sailors get an Audi TT, she got a Mr Tayto statue:D

super_furry

RasTa wrote: »

She should be forced to repay whatever the OCI paid for her trip to Rio.

Why? She fulfilled her obligations there and competed for Ireland.

bucketybuck

I hope she wins gold in Tokyo and holds up a big banner that says **** you to all the petty little nationalists that had a problem with her decision.

mickstupp

pure.conya wrote: »

No because the English competing for us is one thing, but going and competing for a nation that occupied our country, stole 6 of our counties while deliberately stirring the troubles up and murdered so many innocent men women and children is a whole different kettle of fish

Definitely not hypocritical..................

Pac1Man

Shocking decision.

TommyRiordan

Stupid place to post this among bitter middle-aged lower middle class southerners who are on their knees for british arse more than my prod gf is. Go to a proper website to post this.