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Car accident query-received call from Gardai

  • 04-01-2017 01:16PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭j4vier


    Hello,

    so a while back I was involved in a small accident which was not my fault.

    Eventually I got it sorted under the other person insurance who accepted liability.

    Now I received a call from the gardai saying that I need to produce 3 things at the garda station within 10 days.

    1: driving license
    2: sheet which came with the insurance disc
    3: sheet which came with the nct

    is this standard practice? Finding it a bit odd that I am asked for this now, considering that on the day of the accident when I rang them I was told that it was a civil matter and nothing to do with them.

    Points 1,2 are ok but I'm not sure if I have the sheet which came with the NCT disc. I have the disc obviously, but I can't remember where I put the sheet that came with the disc.

    I'm hoping that the NCT can send me a new one if I ask them to.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    j4vier wrote: »
    Hello,

    so a while back I was involved in a small accident which was not my fault.

    Eventually I got it sorted under the other person insurance who accepted liability.

    Now I received a call from the gardai saying that I need to produce 3 things at the garda station within 10 days.

    1: driving license
    2: sheet which came with the insurance disc
    3: sheet which came with the nct

    is this standard practice? Finding it a bit odd that I am asked for this now, considering that on the day of the accident when I rang them I was told that it was a civil matter and nothing to do with them.

    Points 1,2 are ok but I'm not sure if I have the sheet which came with the NCT disc. I have the disc obviously, but I can't remember where I put the sheet that came with the disc.

    I'm hoping that the NCT can send me a new one if I ask them to.

    NCT will give you a duplicate once you produce ID and pay the fee.

    On another note, why not keep the cert with your service history as it proves at a point in time the mileage of the car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,488 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    It would be common for them to ask for them to be produced within 10 days when they attended the scene of the accident, perhaps just an oversight and the Garda now needs it.

    This from NCT site...

    You can replace either of the above for a fee of €15.50.

    You must go to your local Garda station and obtain an RF134 form, which must be stamped and signed by the Gardaí. Send this completed form back, along with either your windscreen disc or NCT Certificate, whichever part you may still hold, and a bank draft or postal order payable to Applus Car Testing Service Ltd., to:

    The Test Certificate Administrator,

    NCTS, Lakedrive 3026,

    Citywest Business Campus,

    Naas Road, Dublin 24.

    For a replacement NCT Report, simply write in with car registration number, make and model and owner details along with the €15.50 fee to the Test Certificate Administrator at the above address. These fees may be subject to change


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭j4vier


    kceire wrote: »
    NCT will give you a duplicate once you produce ID and pay the fee.

    On another note, why not keep the cert with your service history as it proves at a point in time the mileage of the car.


    that's ok, good to know I can get one .

    you are right about that, should have been more careful with the document


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭j4vier


    It would be common for them to ask for them to be produced within 10 days when they attended the scene of the accident, perhaps just an oversight and the Garda now needs it.

    This from NCT site...

    They never attended the scene, as they were not interested when I rang them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,136 ✭✭✭Buffman


    j4vier wrote: »

    is this standard practice? Finding it a bit odd that I am asked for this now, considering that on the day of the accident when I rang them I was told that it was a civil matter and nothing to do with them.
    j4vier wrote: »
    They never attended the scene, as they were not interested when I rang them.

    On the face of it, it does seem strange to only come up now. How long ago was the incident? Is the Garda who contacted you stationed in the local Garda Station to where the incident occured?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,880 ✭✭✭shietpilot


    Sounds like the person at fault contacted a relative Garda and they are trying to check if you were NCTed and insured on the day of the incident...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭j4vier


    Buffman wrote: »
    On the face of it, it does seem strange to only come up now. How long ago was the incident? Is the Garda who contacted you stationed in the local Garda Station to where the incident occured?


    start of november, the claim was settled only in mid december though

    yes the garda that rang me is at my local station, where I rang on the day


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,540 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    j4vier wrote: »
    They never attended the scene, as they were not interested when I rang them.

    You'd have to wonder what their sudden interest is in it now. And considering they didn't respond at the time and you were not at fault I'd certainly be tempted to leave it at "tough t1tties garda". Easy to say when they aren't ringing me I suppose.

    If they didn't respond at the time, is it pretty much the equivalent of them picking up the phone book and requesting randomers to supply their documentation within 10 days for the laugh?

    Are you allowed to ask them what the pulse number is for the incident?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭j4vier


    shietpilot wrote: »
    Sounds like the person at fault contacted a relative Garda and they are trying to check if you were NCTed and insured on the day of the incident...

    and I am, I have everything displayed.

    Problem is, they want all the documentation, not just the disc.

    I'm just hoping that I have the NCT sheet at home


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭j4vier


    You'd have to wonder what their sudden interest is in it now. And considering they didn't respond at the time and you were not at fault I'd certainly be tempted to leave it at "tough t1tties garda". Easy to say when they aren't ringing me I suppose.

    If they didn't respond at the time, is it pretty much the equivalent of them picking up the phone book and requesting randomers to supply their documentation within 10 days for the laugh?

    Are you allowed to ask them what the pulse number is for the incident?

    I just asked them why are they ringing me now, and he said he didn't have to tell me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,136 ✭✭✭Buffman


    j4vier wrote: »
    start of november, the claim was settled only in mid december though

    yes the garda that rang me is at my local station, where I rang on the day

    That's recent enough so. I'd imagine what happened is the other persons insurance probably required them to get the Garda involved and they're only following it up now.

    I wouldn't worry about it, when you get your replacement NCT certificate call in. Remember to ask the Garda for a receipt to show you brought in the documents.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭zl1whqvjs75cdy


    j4vier wrote: »
    I just asked them why are they ringing me now, and he said he didn't have to tell me.

    That seems like total bollox. He wants your details but won't tell you why? I'd be asking more questions before handing anything over.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭nhunter100


    j4vier wrote:
    I just asked them why are they ringing me now, and he said he didn't have to tell me.


    Just gather the relevant documents, go to the station request the duty Sargent and produce the documents saying you are doing so at the request of Garda 'whomever'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭j4vier


    Buffman wrote: »
    That's recent enough so. I'd imagine what happened is the other persons insurance probably required them to get the Garda involved and they're only following it up now.

    I wouldn't worry about it, when you get your replacement NCT certificate call in. Remember to ask the Garda for a receipt to show you brought in the documents.

    good tip thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭j4vier


    That seems like total bollox. He wants your details but won't tell you why? I'd be asking more questions before handing anything over.

    you know they way they get a bit tick when you ask questions, he started to sound a bit like that over the phone

    I'll have no problems producing the document anyhow, just hassle i suppose


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,540 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    That seems like total bollox. He wants your details but won't tell you why? I'd be asking more questions before handing anything over.

    Usually I'd be one for advocating the "yes garda, no garda 3 bags full garda" respectful co-operation rather than getting "clever" with them if you deal with them in the general day to day... but this really seems odd.

    I wonder is there any legit way to "push back" here, or will it just make the OPs life more difficult even if all their stuff is correct.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,540 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    Buffman wrote: »
    That's recent enough so. I'd imagine what happened is the other persons insurance probably required them to get the Garda involved and they're only following it up now.

    I wouldn't worry about it, when you get your replacement NCT certificate call in. Remember to ask the Garda for a receipt to show you brought in the documents.

    I object to the gardai being the insurance companies b1tches though. If they didn't attend the scene, and there is no reasonable suspicion that the OP was driving without a valid licence or insurance then the garda shouldn't be at the beck and call of the insurers in my mind.


    Definitely get the receipt. Some of them get a bit thick about this too "don't you trust me", just tell them it's for your records or something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭flutered


    for the op this is payback time in some regards as they could not wriggle out of the payment, so they are out to make life a little difficult in respect of their insurance getting a large bump, as the other driver knows a keystone who knows a keystone this is their only redress, a nasty type in real life i guess


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭BobMc


    I second getting receipt that you showed (they'll most likely grumble about it) happened my dad couple years back again a no fault accident, 3 summonses arrive in post had receipt still had to turn up in court though (pain in ass)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,094 ✭✭✭✭GBX


    What would be the outcome if you didn't produce?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭j4vier


    BobMc wrote: »
    I second getting receipt that you showed (they'll most likely grumble about it) happened my dad couple years back again a no fault accident, 3 summonses arrive in post had receipt still had to turn up in court though (pain in ass)

    why did he had to show up in court? was the claim not settled by the insurance?

    Or even if the insurance settles it, the liable party can refuse liability again and take the issue to court?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭j4vier


    GBX wrote: »
    What would be the outcome if you didn't produce?

    good question which I should have asked and I forgot to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,931 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Can the guards just call out of the blue like this and request these documents? Could op ring back and ask for the request in writing?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,611 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 382 ✭✭endagibson


    How do you know it was a guard OP?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,136 ✭✭✭Buffman


    j4vier wrote: »
    you know they way they get a bit tick when you ask questions, he started to sound a bit like that over the phone

    I'll have no problems producing the document anyhow, just hassle i suppose

    I bet it was a blocked number ringing you? Another reason I never ever answer withheld numbers. It's never good news and will almost always cost you money!:D
    I object to the gardai being the insurance companies b1tches though. If they didn't attend the scene, and there is no reasonable suspicion that the OP was driving without a valid licence or insurance then the garda shouldn't be at the beck and call of the insurers in my mind.

    Agreed, I'm just speculating on the insurance angle, somebody in the other car could now be claming for injuries or something, so the Gardai would have to be involved then. It's a box ticking exercise and it's annoying that all this stuff can't be checked on computer by Gardai without the hassle of producing. The NCT and Licence databases should be accurate enough, but not the Insurance one unfortunately.
    I wonder is there any legit way to "push back" here, or will it just make the OPs life more difficult even if all their stuff is correct.

    It's not worth hassle in this case IMO, if it was for an incident from over 6 months ago I'd be asking a lot more questions alright.

    The below is a general 'signature' and not part of any post:

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.

    Public transport user? If you're sick of phantom ghost services on the 'official' RTI sources, check bustimes.org for actual 'real' RTI, if it's on their map it actually exists.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,540 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    Patww79 wrote: »
    I'd just produce and get the receipt. Gardai can make your life difficult in so many ways if they feel like it so best to just play ball.
    Buffman wrote: »
    I
    It's not worth hassle in this case IMO, if it was for an incident from over 6 months ago I'd be asking a lot more questions alright.

    Sad but true. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭j4vier


    Buffman wrote: »
    I bet it was a blocked number ringing you? Another reason I never ever answer withheld numbers. It's never good news and will almost always cost you money!:D



    Agreed, I'm just speculatingon the insurance angle, somebody in the other car could now be claming for injuries or something, so the Gardai would have to be involved then. It's a box ticking exercise and it's annoying that all this stuff can't be checked on computer by Gardai without the hassle of producing. The NCT and Licence databases should be accurate enough, but not the Insurance one unfortunately.



    It's not worth hassle in this case IMO, if it was for an incident from over 6 months ago I'd be asking a lot more questions alright.

    yes blocked number indeed! I have no proof that he was indeed a guard, but he didn't ask me for any personal details over the phone. He asked me about the accident events, he didn't seem to know that the other person's insurance accepted liability but told me that I had 10 days to produce those documents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 297 ✭✭Rushden


    Basically the other party reported the accident at a station somewhere. The guard now needs your details as the other party involved to make sure all was in order. He can't close off the incident without your details. Just produce the documents and you'll hear nothing again in the future, it's just standard procedure. As for the delay, it could've been reported at another station and only arrived to this guard recently or the insurance company is looking for details because their client stated he reported it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,136 ✭✭✭Buffman


    j4vier wrote: »
    yes blocked number indeed! I have no proof that he was indeed a guard, but he didn't ask me for any personal details over the phone. He asked me about the accident events, he didn't seem to know that the other person's insurance accepted liability but told me that I had 10 days to produce those documents.

    Ye, it's standard enough in these situations, the other party must have reported it if the Gardai didn't take your details when you called.

    That 10 days includes weekends so I'd recommend ordering the replacement NCT certificate today if possible.

    The below is a general 'signature' and not part of any post:

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.

    Public transport user? If you're sick of phantom ghost services on the 'official' RTI sources, check bustimes.org for actual 'real' RTI, if it's on their map it actually exists.



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