Corruption - could you ever see an Irish head of state doing this?

Kermit.de.frog · 03-01-2017 12:24am #1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co8s0egftsc

Putin gets a lot of flack from "the democracies" of the west, from me as well but when it comes to public money i'd love to see politicians in this country confront some of their mates in this way!

Maybe one day....

Remember all the billions wasted in cost overruns on projects and financed by the state? Maybe had that money been saved the country would not have needed a bailout and could have sorted it's issues. Pity it's not taken seriously.

I await the day a Taoiseach questions a contractor in that manner. All buddies.

Alf Stewart. · 03-01-2017 12:29am

This is Ireland.

Only here would someone already known to have bribed a minister be awarded another hefty state contract.

With an effectively bankrupt company.

That tax payers took a hit on, for him to buy it. And under the counter cash payments as sweeteners.

Mardy Bum · 03-01-2017 12:32am

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The_Valeyard · 03-01-2017 12:36am

And then Putin had them all poisoned.

Fleawuss · 03-01-2017 12:41am

Fascinating why Russia has launched a PR offensive. Why is this bilge being inflicted on poor old AH though. Hasn't Putin somewhere to hack or invade or a dictator to support with air strikes on hospitals of something.

ChikiChiki · 03-01-2017 12:42am

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

This is Ireland.

Only here would someone already known to have bribed a minister be awarded another hefty state contract.

With an effectively bankrupt company.

That tax payers took a hit on, for him to buy it. And under the counter cash payments as sweeteners.

Exactly the reason why I and many others protested against IW. It's real pity many people are too lazy to read into that case and labled any IW protesters 'anti everything scroungers'. Shocking abnormalities in the Siteserv sale resulting in the taxpayer getting walloped.

CaptainR · 03-01-2017 12:42am

Jesus he kept turning the screw on your man at the start, great to see them having to explain themselves. He's just in a different league to Enda or Bertie or any Irish leaders, even in how he speaks, he doesn't stumble blindly through each sentence like a newborn giraffe.

Bit funny coming from him though when he's been building a 2 billion quid mansion for when he retires with state money.

Fleawuss · 03-01-2017 12:47am

We used to have Shinnerbots for SF. what do we call the Putin fan club? Putin bots? Pubots? Putin trolls? Ah! Putrolls.

McDermotX · 03-01-2017 12:51am

CaptainR wrote: »

Jesus he kept turning the screw on your man at the start, great to see them having to explain themselves. He's just in a different league to Enda or Bertie or any Irish leaders, even in how he speaks, he doesn't stumble blindly through each sentence like a newborn giraffe.

Bit funny coming from him though when he's been building a 2 billion quid mansion for when he retires with state money.

No doubt Vlad isn't short of a few bob alright, but who is going to call him up on it ?
That's real power. Not trumping out a few tweets.

I'd say he'd be a great lad to sit down and have a drink with........with him no doubt regaling you of that time he garrotted some fella on a mission, just before lashing it into some femme fatale.

gitzy16v · 03-01-2017 12:52am

Where's Gatling?

darkpagandeath · 03-01-2017 12:53am

Putin is the riches man alive. He is the Tsar of Russia. No on can quantify his fortune as he can take what he wants.

darkpagandeath · 03-01-2017 12:53am

Fleawuss wrote: »

We used to have Shinnerbots for SF. what do we call the Putin fan club? Putin bots? Pubots? Putin trolls? Ah! Putrolls.

Nope just the Trollfactory.

hannible the cannible · 03-01-2017 12:53am

Let's put it into perspective , we're not living in Africa or Mexico where corruption is commonplace , some people here think we live in a corrupt 3rd world hell hole

Junkyard Tom · 03-01-2017 12:55am

He'd also have your house bulldozed with your family in it if you got in his way. No thanks. We need laws and regulations to protect us from corruption not quasi-dictatorial thugs.

Fleawuss · 03-01-2017 12:58am

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Nope just the Trollfactory.

Putrolls rolls off the tongue bettter. It sounds like petrol so carries a dig at the oligarchs. It's shorter. I win I think.

darkpagandeath · 03-01-2017 1:00am

hannible the cannible wrote: »

Let's put it into perspective , we're not living in Africa or Mexico where corruption is commonplace , some people here think we live in a corrupt 3rd world hell hole

We live in a country run by the political elites that feather their own nests and their mates.... There is a dusty case in the DPP for example just one of many friends.

gitzy16v · 03-01-2017 1:02am

Another Putin/Russia bashing thread...no comments on our own government squandering taxpayers money left right and centre..
We get it"Putin bad" but everything else is not good.
I wish enda would call out a few ministers on their disgraceful performance in government.

Goya · 03-01-2017 1:02am

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

This is Ireland.

Only here would someone already known to have bribed a minister be awarded another hefty state contract

Not only here, no.

And we can complain about it to our hearts' content here too (and by Jesus do some folk do that - nothing to actually remedy the issue though!)

darkpagandeath · 03-01-2017 1:03am

gitzy16v wrote: »

Another Putin/Russia bashing thread...no comments on our own government squandering taxpayers money left right and centre..
We get it"Putin bad" but everything else is not good.
I wish enda would call out a few ministers on their disgraceful performance in government.

TD here don't step down unless pushed. The are all the same and have dirt on each other.

ChikiChiki · 03-01-2017 1:03am

hannible the cannible wrote: »

Let's put it into perspective , we're not living in Africa or Mexico where corruption is commonplace , some people here think we live in a corrupt 3rd world hell hole

Does that make the corruption here acceptable so? We should always be demanding better.

gitzy16v · 03-01-2017 1:06am

darkpagandeath wrote: »

TD here don't step down unless pushed. The are all the same and have dirt on each other.

Then enda needs to get tough,don't worry about his skeletons,keep everyone in check.

Goya · 03-01-2017 1:06am

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Does that make the corruption here acceptable so? We should always be demanding better.

Absolutely - but it doesn't make it appropriate to pretend Ireland is on a par with a dictatorship. It's a bit of an insult to people who live in dictatorships and who would love the freedom we have.

darkpagandeath · 03-01-2017 1:15am

gitzy16v wrote: »

Then enda needs to get tough,don't worry about his skeletons,keep everyone in check.

You would have to kill off the careers of all TD's Ps, family careers and alike of anyone with a sniff of power for the last 20 years to even come close to cleaning out Irish politics.

darkpagandeath · 03-01-2017 1:16am

Flimpson wrote: »

Absolutely - but it doesn't make it appropriate to pretend Ireland is on a par with a dictatorship. It's a bit of an insult to people who live in dictatorships and who would love the freedom we have.

Who's been in power since the foundation of the state ? Can you name the 2 ?

gitzy16v · 03-01-2017 1:18am

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You would have to kill off the careers of all TD's Ps, family careers and alike of anyone with a sniff of power for the last 20 years to even come close to cleaning out Irish politics.

Yeah tough choice...1 corrupt politician or a whole cabinet of corruption.
Dictatorship or democracy

noodler · 03-01-2017 1:21am

Thank god I don't live in Russia.

Richard Hillman · 03-01-2017 1:21am

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Who's been in power since the foundation of the state ? Can you name the 2 ?

Fianna Fail, Fine Gael, Labour, Progressive Democrats, Green Party, Sinn Fein, Clann na Talmhan, Cumann na nGaedheal, the National Labour Party, Clann na Poblachta, Democratic Left and the Independent Alliance.

darkpagandeath · 03-01-2017 1:34am

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Fianna Fail, Fine Gael, Labour, Progressive Democrats, Green Party, Sinn Fein, Clann na Talmhan, Cumann na nGaedheal, the National Labour Party, Clann na Poblachta, Democratic Left and the Independent Alliance.

No FF/FG rest are mudflaps and had no power.

Yourself isit · 03-01-2017 1:36am

Fleawuss wrote: »

We used to have Shinnerbots for SF. what do we call the Putin fan club? Putin bots? Pubots? Putin trolls? Ah! Putrolls.

Or why not try argue the point without acting like a 5 year old?

Kermit.de.frog · 03-01-2017 1:39am

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Fianna Fail, Fine Gael, Labour, Progressive Democrats, Green Party, Sinn Fein, Clann na Talmhan, Cumann na nGaedheal, the National Labour Party, Clann na Poblachta, Democratic Left and the Independent Alliance.

In fairness only 2 have ever had majorities and thus call the shots. Typically the smaller parties have been decimated after coalitions too.

Fleawuss · 03-01-2017 1:50am

Yourself isit wrote: »

Or why not try argue the point without acting like a 5 year old?

There is no point. Putrolls. Anyone who wants Putin as leader should move to Russia.

Yourself isit · 03-01-2017 1:53am

Fleawuss wrote: »

There is no point. Putrolls. Anyone who wants Putin as leader should move to Russia.

The last time this rhetoric was heard (move to Russia) it was anti-commie hicks in the cold war.

Fleawuss · 03-01-2017 1:56am

Yourself isit wrote: »

The last time this rhetoric was heard (move to Russia) it was anti-commie hicks in the cold war.

We need another Cold War urgently. A line between civilization and the idiotic barbarism of Russia.

gitzy16v · 03-01-2017 1:57am

Fleawuss wrote: »

We need another Cold War urgently. A line between civilization and the idiotic barbarism of The Middle East.

That's it

political analyst · 03-01-2017 1:58am

gitzy16v wrote: »

Another Putin/Russia bashing thread...no comments on our own government squandering taxpayers money left right and centre..
We get it"Putin bad" but everything else is not good.
I wish enda would call out a few ministers on their disgraceful performance in government.

Kermit, the author of the OP, seems to be pro-Putin.

gitzy16v · 03-01-2017 2:00am

political analyst wrote: »

Kermit, the author of the OP, seems to be pro-Putin.

Not the op...the way the thread turned.

Fleawuss · 03-01-2017 2:00am

The lowest form of internet life are ISIS propagandists and Putrolls. An affront to decency and civilisation.

learn_more · 03-01-2017 2:00am

Fleawuss wrote: »

We used to have Shinnerbots for SF. what do we call the Putin fan club? Putin bots? Pubots? Putin trolls? Ah! Putrolls.

Vladibonkers

Vot time guarantee this finish I ausk you now hah hauh ha

gitzy16v · 03-01-2017 2:03am

Fleawuss wrote: »

The lowest form of internet life are ISIS propagandists and Putrolls. An affront to decency and civilisation.

Where are they on boards?

Fleawuss · 03-01-2017 2:03am

learn_more wrote: »

Vladibonkers

Vot time guarantee this finish I ausk you now hah hauh ha

Ven I inject the radioactive material into the enemy of Mother Russia.

Yourself isit · 03-01-2017 2:09am

Fleawuss wrote: »

We need another Cold War urgently. A line between civilization and the idiotic barbarism of Russia.

Christ. It's amazing how US propoganda impresses weak minds.

Yourself isit · 03-01-2017 2:11am

gitzy16v wrote: »

Where are they on boards?

ISIS supporters I haven't seen. Well except for supporters of the US rebels I suppose. But those guys claim the rebels are "moderate".

Fleawuss · 03-01-2017 2:11am

Yourself isit wrote: »

Christ. It's amazing how US propoganda impresses weak minds.

Hahaha. Is that you Vlad? Or maybe Donald? #bigly

Yourself isit · 03-01-2017 2:13am

Fleawuss wrote: »

Hahaha. Is that you Vlad? Or maybe Donald? #bigly

Yes. I'm Putin. Anybody who disagrees with you is Putin. He is in fact under your bed.

And those voices in your head are all Putin.

gitzy16v · 03-01-2017 2:14am

Fleawuss wrote: »

Hahaha. Is that you Vlad? Or maybe Donald? #bigly

Who do you support in Syria...the good or bad?

gitzy16v · 03-01-2017 2:14am

Yourself isit wrote: »

Yes. I'm Putin. Anybody who disagrees with you is Putin. He is in fact under your bed.

And those voices in your head are all Putin.

Sure he's the ultimate hacker.....OMG HE'S HACKED MY BRAIN

darkpagandeath · 03-01-2017 2:16am

gitzy16v wrote: »

Sure he's the ultimate hacker.....OMG HE'S HACKED MY BRAIN

Does amuse me so Russian propaganda saying they don't hack. Cant they they must be very very very far behind the game then ? I mean even NK can.

Fleawuss · 03-01-2017 2:17am

Yourself isit wrote: »

Yes. I'm Putin. Anybody who disagrees with you is Putin. He is in fact under your bed.

And those voices in your head are all Putin.

No he's not. Why would your idol be under a gay mans bed? Ouch. #Siberia Of course I would have to be insane not to worship Putin and his secret policemans view of the world. Of course. #putrolls

gitzy16v · 03-01-2017 2:18am

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Does amuse me so Russian propaganda saying they don't hack. Cant they they must be very very very far behind the game then ? I mean even NK can.

Course they can,just not as much as some like to pretend

Fleawuss · 03-01-2017 2:19am

gitzy16v wrote: »

Who do you support in Syria...the good or bad?

You left out the ugly. #putrolls

Kermit.de.frog · 03-01-2017 2:19am

political analyst wrote: »

Kermit, the author of the OP, seems to be pro-Putin.

I'm not at all. But to be fair with that buffoon Trump in the white house Putin is surely the world's foremost credible leader now.

Corruption - could you ever see an Irish head of state doing this?

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