Entitlements for childminding grandmother

Dr Robert

My mother in law is voluntarily leaving her job to mind our daughter in a few months.

She is 60. Her husband is getting the state pension only.

She'll be living with us during the week.

What is she entitled to? Is she entitled to anything? Can't find anything concrete about her situation online.

We just want to know as much as we can asap.

Thanks

otwb1

If it wasn't a relative minding your child then theoretically you'd need to pay at least minimum wage with a certain amount deducted for room and board (there have been a few rulings regarding au-pair wages etc). A childminder in your own home is an employee and you would need to pay prsi etc for them.

I can't see a way that she would be entitled to a state payment because she is leaving one employment for another (there are new grants for childminding coming down the road, but I think that she would need to be a registered childminder?)

Dr Robert

otwb1 wrote: »

If it wasn't a relative minding your child then theoretically you'd need to pay at least minimum wage with a certain amount deducted for room and board (there have been a few rulings regarding au-pair wages etc). A childminder in your own home is an employee and you would need to pay prsi etc for them.

I can't see a way that she would be entitled to a state payment because she is leaving one employment for another (there are new grants for childminding coming down the road, but I think that she would need to be a registered childminder?)

She is my wife's mother and is doing it voluntarily.

mansize

Dr Robert wrote: »

She is my wife's mother and is doing it voluntarily.

unless there is a voluntary redundancy payment available from her employer, I cant see how she qualifies for anything.

infogiver

She's not entitled to any payment from the state herself but her husband can ask Sligo to add her to his pension as his dependent and that will be approved.
My concern is for her own pension entitlements,
I'm not sure if she can sign for PRSI credits while a dependent of his.
I'll go and look it up.

Clonmel1000

Dr Robert wrote: »

My mother in law is voluntarily leaving her job to mind our daughter in a few months.

She is 60. Her husband is getting the state pension only.

She'll be living with us during the week.

What is she entitled to? Is she entitled to anything? Can't find anything concrete about her situation online.

We just want to know as much as we can asap.

Thanks

She is not available for work as she is minding her grandkids full time and therefore would not qualify for JSA. She'll be disqualified from JSB also for up to 9 weeks for leaving her job. What kind of benefits had you in mind OP?

pwurple

otwb1 wrote: »

If it wasn't a relative minding your child then theoretically you'd need to pay at least minimum wage with a certain amount deducted for room and board (there have been a few rulings regarding au-pair wages etc). A childminder in your own home is an employee and you would need to pay prsi etc for them.

Not quite. An aupair is less than 20 hours a week. The rulings were made where the person was working over that and therefore was an employee, or nanny.

I can't see a way that she would be entitled to a state payment because she is leaving one employment for another (there are new grants for childminding coming down the road, but I think that she would need to be a registered childminder?)

Registered childminders look after children in their own home. This is not the case here.


I can't figure out what the financial situation is here... you mother in law is leaving her husband to come live with you? Their only income is his pension.

Has she paid enough prsi to get the pension?

December2012

Is you paying her too obvious a suggestion?

mp22

Closed for review.

mp22

Reopened after a clean up.

beechwood55

So she will voluntarily leave her job to come and live with you to mind your child.
Will you be paying her?
If you are not going to pay her then what makes you think the taxpayers should pay her on your behalf?

infogiver

infogiver wrote: »

She's not entitled to any payment from the state herself but her husband can ask Sligo to add her to his pension as his dependent and that will be approved.
My concern is for her own pension entitlements,
I'm not sure if she can sign for PRSI credits while a dependent of his.
I'll go and look it up.

Have looked this up. She can only sign for credits as an adult dependent if she is looking for and available for work which she won't be if she's minding children.
This is a very important consideration as she will be possibly jeopardising her pension entitlement by leaving herself short of PRSI credits/contributions.

Dr Robert

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

She is not available for work as she is minding her grandkids full time and therefore would not qualify for JSA. She'll be disqualified from JSB also for up to 9 weeks for leaving her job. What kind of benefits had you in mind OP?

Cheers, JSB was what I was thinking off.

She's fortunately worked all her life same as myself so hence the probable simple questions

Stheno

Dr Robert wrote: »

Cheers, JSB was what I was thinking off.

She's fortunately worked all her life same as myself so hence the probable simple questions

Are you not going to pay her for childminding?

Dr Robert

December2012 wrote: »

Is you paying her too obvious a suggestion?

Absolutely when we get ourselves sorted out financially. Probably a number of months

njs030

Dr Robert wrote: »

Cheers, JSB was what I was thinking off.

She's fortunately worked all her life same as myself so hence the probable simple questions

Why would she be entitled to anything if she's working? Benefits are for unemployed people.

Dr Robert

Stheno wrote: »

Are you not going to pay her for childminding?

See answer above

Stheno

Dr Robert wrote: »

See answer above

Just did think our posts crossed.

Youll be liable for employers prsi etc as she is minding them in your home

If she does it from her home that would not be the case

infogiver

Stheno wrote: »

Just did think our posts crossed.

Youll be liable for employers prsi etc as she is minding them in your home

If she does it from her home that would not be the case

This is simpler then it first appears. At the very minimum I think the OP should look into making his mother in law an employee just to the extent where he would have to make a PRSI contribution on her behalf, and the MIL husband should apply for her to be considered his dependent.
At the risk of repeating myself, I would be concerned that she's putting her state pension rate at risk .

njs030

Dr Robert wrote: »

Cheers, JSB was what I was thinking off.

She's fortunately worked all her life same as myself so hence the probable simple questions

MOD why is welfare fraud being openly discussed on this post which is against forum rules?
Jsb is for unemployed people looking for work. Claiming jsb while not available to work is fraud and op is looking for ways to cheat the system and have the state support his childcare needs.

All posts saying this have been removed which is odd?

infogiver

notjustsweet wrote: »

MOD why is welfare fraud being openly discussed on this post which is against forum rules?
Jsb is for unemployed people looking for work. Claiming jsb while not available to work is fraud and op is looking for ways to cheat the system and have the state support his childcare needs.

All posts saying this have been removed which is odd?

I think you need to go over the threads and report the posts that you think are against the forum charter. I think that's how that works.

Dr Robert

notjustsweet wrote: »

MOD why is welfare fraud being openly discussed on this post which is against forum rules?
Jsb is for unemployed people looking for work. Claiming jsb while not available to work is fraud and op is looking for ways to cheat the system and have the state support his childcare needs.

All posts saying this have been removed which is odd?

Accusing someone of fraud on a public forum is very odd when you don't know the circumstances.

Im only asking legitimate questions. Maybe simple ones but questions all the same.

mp22

It seems we have returned to the topic of claiming JSB while childminding....



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