"Renting" my neighbour roof for PV panels

rolion

Hello,

Looking to expand my PV setup and i will need an additional 8 panels.
My roof is already full.

Can i approach my side or back neighbour (which has a very good southside based position) to install my panels !?
I mean,if i can get fitted 12 of them,i can "keep" my 8 and allocate 4 panels to his internal personal cosumption,on a very fair system of lets say 4 x 300w giving around 1,200Wh at maxim. No cost required from him,just providing the space.

The alternative will be to install mine 8 on a pole in the back garden that does not see the sun from Nov to March.

Im i going mad here !?

JDxtra

Neighbours can be fickle and change minds over time. I'd forget about that idea no matter how much sense it seems to make.

Pawwed Rig

There are alot of rights associated with the family home. I would tread cautiously here as it is uncertain what rights and obligations would arise in this scenario. You would probably need to discuss with a solicitor. Legal issue rather than construction issue imo.

Gumbo

rolion wrote: »

Hello,

Looking to expand my PV setup and i will need an additional 8 panels.
My roof is already full.

Can i approach my side or back neighbour (which has a very good southside based position) to install my panels !?
I mean,if i can get fitted 12 of them,i can "keep" my 8 and allocate 4 panels to his internal personal cosumption,on a very fair system of lets say 4 x 300w giving around 1,200Wh at maxim. No cost required from him,just providing the space.

The alternative will be to install mine 8 on a pole in the back garden that does not see the sun from Nov to March.

Im i going mad here !?

What happens when the Neighbour wants to sell?
What happens if damaged is caused to the roof over time?

Who pays maintenance?

Putting PV on poles out the back may require planning permission also.

iwillhtfu

You're creating potential for an insurance nightmare there I'd leave well alone.

rolion

OK,thanks to all for reply.
It makes sense to abandon the ideea to talk / ask the man !

In relation to back garden,why do i need PP to install a pole with 2/2.5m height suporting 10 panels !?
Did all my neighbours applied for PP when they build those "houses" there, in the back? Some of them covering full green area. No bthering me...




Many thanks.

Calahonda52

AFAIR, given that your roof is already full, that, I believe uses up your "no planning for PV" quota.

rolion

Calahonda52 wrote: »

AFAIR, given that your roof is already full, that, I believe uses up your "no planning for PV" quota.

Sorry but i dont understand your quote.



As i got few replyes from you regarding aproaching the neigbour at the human level,with thanks, im guessing next step is more related to PP and technicalities.

As im a good guy and the good & old common sense by living in a small estate it forces me to approach the person,explain my initial plan to "rent" his roof but because i am afraid of the " a b c " (all the reasons well explained above this post) im begining plans fitting a pole with panels in my private garden.

I'll show him with plans that i have already from the proper structural engineering company that is no risk or future damage presented to his property except the look and the "lack" of Sun for summer time,in the deep side bottom of his garden.

I guess is enough to make all sides involved happy.

Thanks.

Graham

rolion wrote: »

im begining plans fitting a pole with panels in my private garden.

Your local authority probably has guidelines about permitted solar panels.

E.g. from DCC:

Solar Panels:

The total aperature area of any such panel taken together with any such panels previously placed on or within the curtilage of a house shall not exceed 12 sq m or 50% of the total roof area, which ever is the lesser;

The distance between the plane of the wall or a pitched roof and the panel shall not exceed 15 cm;

• The distance between the plan of a flat roof and the panel shall not exceed 50cm;
• The solar panels shall be a minimum of 50cm from any edge of the wall or roof on which it is to be mounted;
• The height of a free standing solar array shall not exceed 2 metres at its highest point, above ground level;
• A free standing solar array shall not be placed on or forward of the front wall of the ahouse;
• The erection of any free standing solar array shall not reduce the area of private open space to the rear or side of the house to less than 25 sq m.

http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-services-planning/frequently-asked-questions-planning#Can%20I%20erect%20a%20Wind%20Turbine,%20Solar%20Panel,%20Heat%20Pump%20within%20the%20curtilage%20of%20my%20house?

rolion

Graham wrote: »

Your local authority probably has guidelines about permitted solar panels.

E.g. from DCC:


http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-services-planning/frequently-asked-questions-planning#Can%20I%20erect%20a%20Wind%20Turbine,%20Solar%20Panel,%20Heat%20Pump%20within%20the%20curtilage%20of%20my%20house?

Thanks Graham,good info there.
I should not have issues but the 2 meters height restriction might give me some troubles as i planned for 2.5m !

Graham

rolion wrote: »

Thanks Graham,good info there.
I should not have issues but the 2 meters height restriction might give me some troubles as i planned for 2.5m !

Are you also likely to be caught by the 50% of roof area limits?

endacl

rolion wrote: »

Thanks Graham,good info there.
I should not have issues but the 2 meters height restriction might give me some troubles as i planned for 2.5m !

Pile up a 50cm mound in your garden. Pop the 2m pole on that.

Graham

endacl wrote: »

Pile up a 50cm mound in your garden. Pop the 2m pole on that.

Or dig down 1.5m so you only have a 50cm pole above ground level.

machiavellianme

You cannot connect wiring to both your house and your neighbours simultaneously. It is against the wiring rules and extremely dangerous. Do not do this!

rolion

Graham wrote: »

Are you also likely to be caught by the 50% of roof area limits?

I'm planning erecting the panels ... in the back garden !
The issue is in Winter i have no Sun coverage and i like to build a solar green house under the panels to assure appy compromise for my wife,as well.
I have to go big size to extract / generate maximum in the summer to compensatae for the winter seasons.

Something like that:






...or...

rolion

machiavellianme wrote: »

You cannot connect wiring to both your house and your neighbours simultaneously. It is against the wiring rules and extremely dangerous. Do not do this!

No,thanks,i know.
PV panels will be instaled in a row 4 x 3 on the roof but connection will be like this:

4 panels for "him" in a single setup with microinverters conected panel to grid;
8 panels for me in series/parallel to my already in use PV inverter second input.

No links between the PVs except the physical rail mounting kit.

Graham

rolion wrote: »

I'm planning erecting the panels ... in the back garden !
The issue is in Winter i have no Sun coverage and i like to build a solar green house under the panels to assure appy compromise for my wife,as well.
I have to go big size to extract / generate maximum in the summer to compensatae for the winter seasons.

Something like that:

Nice, the Goonhilly chic urban look.

I could be interpreting the DCC comments incorrectly but I took the 50% of roof limits to include any non-roof mounted panels.

E.g. a 20sq. m roof = 10sq. m of panels anywhere within the curtilage and not more than 12sq. m of panels either way.

Gumbo

Graham wrote: »

Or dig down 1.5m so you only have a 50cm pole above ground level.

Any level change of 1m requires planning

Graham

kceire wrote: »

Any level change of 1m requires planning

2 x 75cm holes then