Tu-154 down near Sochi

Noxegon

No survivors

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/russian-military-plane-crashes-into-black-sea-with-92-on-board-1.2917669

The aircraft was carrying the Alexandrov Ensemble, otherwise known as the Red Army Choir:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfBeeVKhPHE

Davidth88

Bloody tu154..... should be dispatched into the museum. Always had habit of falling out of sky. RIP

Storm 10

So sad RIP to all on board terrible loss of such talented musicians and singers

Skyknight

Very sad news indeed. RIP

EchoIndia

Davidth88 wrote: »

Bloody tu154..... should be dispatched into the museum. Always had habit of falling out of sky. RIP

As of now, no one has suggested that the crash was due to a problem with the aircraft. If you research Tu-154 accidents, you will find that very few were attributable to what could be termed a design fault. The Wikipedia article on the type has a useful summary table:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-154

roundymac

EchoIndia wrote: »

As of now, no one has suggested that the crash was due to a problem with the aircraft. If you research Tu-154 accidents, you will find that very few were attributable to what could be termed a design fault. The Wikipedia article on the type has a useful summary table:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-154

Disgraceful reporting of the crash on Sky news. Some langer of a reporter stating that it had a poor safety record, using the Polish givernment crash in 2010 as an example.Very sad news though.

Noxegon

To borrow from Wikipedia:

The Tu-154 is described as having an average (or better than expected) safety record considering its length of service and heavy use in demanding conditions where other airliners are unable to operate.

It's a good aircraft, and there were over a thousand built.

PukkaStukka

I would agree too that we need to avoid speculation and not assume this is mechanical failure. The Russians are implying there's a whiff of foul play with this and they may be right.

billy few mates

I've flown on this model a number of times back in the old Soviet days before the collapse of communism, I also had a couple of visits to the cockpit during some of those flights, crude but effective is how I would describe them and nobody was better equipped to fly them than the Russians. Whatever the cause, it's a tragic loss of life, especially at this time of year...

roundymac

Over on pp.rune it is being stated that the plane was 33yrs old.

homerjay2005

Davidth88 wrote: »

Bloody tu154..... should be dispatched into the museum. Always had habit of falling out of sky. RIP

was thinking the same....seems to be many of these involved in accidents - a quick look here shows 110 accidents in total :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-154

been a strange year for air crashes.

PukkaStukka

The Russians have grounded all TU-154's till they figure out the cause of this accident. The first black box has been recovered

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1227/841362-russia-plane-crash/

ohigg84

The TU-154 has been a workhorse since the early 70s, an impeccable aircraft, just such a pity it has been dogged with so many fatalities.
We can only speculate what happened, but most likely it could have been a technical issue or pilot error.

I hope we see the TU-154 resume her flying duties.. Such a gorgeous aircraft.

CiboC

homerjay2005 wrote: »

was thinking the same....seems to be many of these involved in accidents - a quick look here shows 110 accidents in total :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-154

been a strange year for air crashes.

That's a pretty meaningless statistic. Using the same source the Boeing 737 has been involved in 368 accidents/incidents over the same timeframe but no one would suggest it is an unsafe aircraft.

homerjay2005

CiboC wrote: »

That's a pretty meaningless statistic. Using the same source the Boeing 737 has been involved in 368 accidents/incidents over the same timeframe but no one would suggest it is an unsafe aircraft.

~1000 TU built, compared to 9300 737s.

thats an accident rate of ~4% on the 737s and 10% on the TU - i think you will admit, your comparison just shows how dangerous an aircraft it actually is.

is nowhere near as problematic as the DC9s were though, they are at 12% accident rate and the Md11 is at 13%.

sparrowcar

Put it in perspective though...

The Tu-154 is described as having an average (or better than expected) safety record considering its length of service and heavy use in demanding conditions where other airliners are unable to operate.

Jan_de_Bakker

Is there an entry on AV Herald on this ?
can't seem to find it ...

CiboC

sparrowcar wrote: »

Put it in perspective though...

The Tu-154 is described as having an average (or better than expected) safety record considering its length of service and heavy use in demanding conditions where other airliners are unable to operate.

Absolutely.

Omitted when quoting from the same wikipedia link:

'Since 1968 there have been 39 fatal incidents involving the Tu-154, most of which were caused either by factors unrelated to the aircraft, or by its extensive use in demanding conditions.'

I have flown on the Tu-154 on numerous occasions in the past and would do so again without any misgivings.

martinsvi

Jan_de_Bakker wrote: »

Is there an entry on AV Herald on this ?
can't seem to find it ...

avherald only focuses on commercial air transport incidents. This was a military flight so it wouldn't be covered by avherald

ASN have an article on it, they do similar type of reporting as avherald - https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20161225-0

Irish Steve

Not on AVherald yet, I am going to guess that there is a lack of information to provide accurate reporting about the circumstances and reasons for the accident.

Without clear information and multiple sources to confirm the accuracy of that information, the reporting of the accident will be delayed until the details are clear.

Also, as per previous post, if it was a military flight, it will not be covered by AVH.

PukkaStukka

Jan_de_Bakker wrote: »

Is there an entry on AV Herald on this ?
can't seem to find it ...

It has been mentioned in other threads on AVHerald that Simon doesn't report on military occurrences, hence there being no mention of this one. It's a shame really as this wasn't a true military occurrence per sé.

homerjay2005

CiboC wrote: »

Absolutely.

Omitted when quoting from the same wikipedia link:

'Since 1968 there have been 39 fatal incidents involving the Tu-154, most of which were caused either by factors unrelated to the aircraft, or by its extensive use in demanding conditions.'

I have flown on the Tu-154 on numerous occasions in the past and would do so again without any misgivings.

and likewise, you can be pretty sure that the accident rate on other models is also seriously impacted by external factors at a similiar level.

no matter what way ye want to spin it, its a problematic plane compared to others.

KingBrian2

Condolences to the people of Russia. What a horrible tragedy.

KingBrian2

Saw a lot of coverage of this over Christmas Day. Very upsetting to see the Russians show that much emotion over this incident. Usually they are so steely.

roundymac

There is mention of flaps not working properly over on sky news.

Bazzy

Was on the 6 one also could be something to it

roundymac

ww.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38445258
Flaps not moving in sync???