Anybody got VW diesel emissions fix?

ooompie5

and do you think it affected the performance or economy?

Biglad

Had two letters so far, no call up. They did several in Holland but the results were even more shocking so they halted that lol

Special Circumstances

Biglad wrote: »

Had two letters so far, no call up. They did several in Holland but the results were even more shocking so they halted that lol

Hahaha any news articles on that? Language of your choice.

Toyotafanboi

I'd say 95% of Irish consumers affected don't give a toss about it.

ooompie5

I got a letter a few weeks ago saying that the fix would not result in lower performance or reduced economy. Frankly, knowing some laws of physics, I don't believe this. Last week the garage phoned me to make an appointment to have it done in the new year, but I put them off.
Can they do this, against my wishes, at the next service?

Biglad

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Hahaha any news articles on that? Language of your choice.

It was reported by the NOS Hollands notional news agency. I'll,try to find the article but it was in Dutch so probably not much use to most on here lol

Toyotafanboi

ooompie5 wrote: »

Can they do this, against my wishes, at the next service?

No, they will ask you, you are perfectly entitled to decline.

FightingIrish

No sign of compensation for European customers either, I expected that it would be rolled out after they did a deal for American customers?

Renegade Mechanic

ooompie5 wrote: »

I got a letter a few weeks ago saying that the fix would not result in lower performance or reduced economy. Frankly, knowing some laws of physics, I don't believe this. Last week the garage phoned me to make an appointment to have it done in the new year, but I put them off.
Can they do this, against my wishes, at the next service?

Well, given that the only way to solve a problem caused by running too lean is, well, running a little richer, to bring down the combustion temperatures causing the surge in noxious emissions, I'd say you're dead right.

Akso, depends. At least where one case for Renault are concerned, when a customer's clio presented with a bonnet catch deemed too rusty, it got a new one. Customer was informed afterwards and signed a letter. Didn't cost anything, but neither will this..
I think the Navara airbag fix was automatic too, no consent required. Now they're safety related, but both they and the emissions have legal implications. If they're deemed to be in breach of Euro emissions regulations and illegal, you're only way of avoiding the free fix will be indy garages.

Skommando

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I'd say 95% of Irish consumers affected don't give a toss about it.

bollocks, there's compo involved is there not, nothing is more interesting to the Irish than compo

how much is the compo ? wasn't there a court case in Galway recently ?

Biglad

There is suposed to be a case taken at the European court in The Hague but I've not heard any recent news regarding this. My Superb is changing ownership on th second of January so the new owner can deal with it. As he is a neighbour of mine I'll hand him the letters from VW and he can play th waiting game.

bazz26

FightingIrish wrote: »

No sign of compensation for European customers either, I expected that it would be rolled out after they did a deal for American customers?

America has much better consumer rights and litigation than we have here in Europe.

ooompie5

bazz26 wrote: »

America has much better consumer rights and litigation than we have here in Europe.

It was the US goverment agencies that forced the deal on VW.
Government agencies in the EU don't want to take on Germany.

The case in Mayo could force governments hands though. Thats why VW brought in the super big legal guns to an Irish District Court.

carrotcake

Got it done six weeks ago. I always keep an eye on consumption, and I haven't noticed any difference. Power feels the same also.

This is on a 143 PS 2.0 TDI with a multitronic gearbox.

From reading around on other forums, others are having the same experience.

Biglad

A report will be published today in Holland stating that the EU knew since 2005 that emissions were much worse than stated by manufacturers but that the various commissioners involved did not want to take on the manufacturers in their countries. Another major political coverup that makes you want to puke...

Special Circumstances

Be interesting to see how much coverage it is given.

If you can dig up the other article you mentioned I'd be interested. Had a look myself but without any dutch myself it's hard to search, but if you have a link I'll chance google translate on it.



It seems really odd that there has been no real follow up on the "upgrade/recall" results - do the software/hardware make ANY measurable difference to anything in the real world? Either way - better or worse?

It just seems so weird that VW seem to have been allowed to self certify this fix.

In a world where every single day the powers that be tell us we are being manipulated by fake news, the "diesel uber alles" PR train has been rolling for a long long time.

Special Circumstances

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/audi-on-cusp-of-emissions-scandal-after-top-model-breaches-limit-1.2906085

"The lab tests run by the European Commission’s Joint Research Centre (JRC) in August showed the latest Euro 6 diesel generation A3 emitted 163 milligrammes (mg) of nitrogen oxides per kilometre, double the statutory 80mg cap."

Still at it, shur who's gonna stop them?

Seth Brundle

FightingIrish wrote: »

No sign of compensation for European customers either, I expected that it would be rolled out after they did a deal for American customers?

Compensation for what exactly?

bazz26 wrote: »

America has much better consumer rights and litigation than we have here in Europe.

America has better emissions tests for diesel engines also.
We basically check the level of smoke particles coming out the back - nothing to do with the VW scandal!

porsche boy

kbannon wrote:

Compensation for what exactly?

Mis-sold an item. If it were me I would have the view the ONLY reason I bought that car was the fuel efficiency & low emissions as I am a lover of our planet. To find out after the event I was lied to by a multinational company sickens me. The heartache at the thought of damaging our precious planet more then I thought has left me racked with guilt over many sleepless nights.
#compo.

Seth Brundle

porsche boy wrote: »

Mis-sold an item. If it were me I would have the view the ONLY reason I bought that car was the fuel efficiency & low emissions as I am a lover of our planet. To find out after the event I was lied to by a multinational company sickens me. The heartache at the thought of damaging our precious planet more then I thought has left me racked with guilt over many sleepless nights.
#compo.

To get compensation, don't you have to show that you are somehow at a loss because of the deception?

bladespin

141 Passat 2.0tdi 140, done a couple of months back, no noticuble difference.

pa990

porsche boy wrote: »

Mis-sold an item. If it were me I would have the view the ONLY reason I bought that car was the fuel efficiency & low emissions as I am a lover of our planet. To find out after the event I was lied to by a multinational company sickens me. The heartache at the thought of damaging our precious planet more then I thought has left me racked with guilt over many sleepless nights.
#compo.

How much out of pocket are you ?

Nonoperational

bladespin wrote: »

141 Passat 2.0tdi 140, done a couple of months back, no noticuble difference.

Careful now.

Biglad

bladespin wrote: »

141 Passat 2.0tdi 140, done a couple of months back, no noticuble difference.

Did you receive the results of an emissions test after the 'modifications' and a dyno to see if the bhp rating/output of your vehicle was unchanged?

I think you/we can only make a case if the vehicle is no longer as advertised when purchased after the modification. Only then would their be a case to look for compensation imo.

bladespin

Biglad wrote:

Did you receive the results of an emissions test after the 'modifications' and a dyno to see if the bhp rating/output of your vehicle was unchanged?

Software update, they don't test or dyno the car.

Skommando

Any of these VGA motors with fake emissions figures in the wrong tax / vrt bracket as a result ?

Then the craic will start . . .

pa990

Skommando wrote: »

Any of these VGA motors with fake emissions figures in the wrong tax / vrt bracket as a result ?

Then the craic will start . . .

My understanding is that it's the NOX levels that are higher than indicated.
Ireland's motor tax is based on Co2.

Biglad

bladespin wrote: »

Software update, they don't test or dyno the car.

I know they don't...but without it one will never know if the vehicle's performance for example has been affected.

overshoot

Skommando wrote: »

Any of these VGA motors with fake emissions figures in the wrong tax / vrt bracket as a result ?

Then the craic will start . . .

thats how America got a pay up so easily, some states have NOx based emissions which is an easy demonstrable loss (and a government happy to hurt a foreign car company as it helps the natives)

bladespin

Biglad wrote: »

I know they don't...but without it one will never know if the vehicle's performance for example has been affected.

I didn't say it hadn't been affected, just that there was no noticeable difference in the car pre and post, any significant loss/improvement would be immediately felt.

ooompie5

bladespin wrote: »

Software update, they don't test or dyno the car.

This I can't understand.

If the issue is solved by a simple software update which doesnt affect either the performance or economy, why was it necessary for VW to game the emissions test in the first place?

My understanding is that the dodgy software was used because the required emission levels proved impossible to achieve without sacrificing performance or economy. What's changed now?

Special Circumstances

ooompie5 wrote: »

What's changed now?

software revision number and fvck all else I'd say!

bladespin

ooompie5 wrote: »

This I can't understand.

Me neither, didn't want to chance it but as a company car my hands were tied, that said I would notice anything significant, I took it for a good test drive after out of curiosity but couldn't feel anything different really, having done my fair share of messing about 'tuning' engines in the past I'm sure I'd notice anything worth moaning about but didn't.