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Fairtrade (split from the favourite tea thread)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 First Up
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    elperello wrote:
    Any Fairtrade brand.

    Fairtrade is not an indicator of quality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,109 elperello
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    First Up wrote: »
    Fairtrade is not an indicator of quality.

    Of course not, it's more of a gesture of solidarity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 First Up
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    elperello wrote:
    Of course not, it's more of a gesture of solidarity.


    Its a total scam.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,109 elperello
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    First Up wrote: »
    Its a total scam.

    No it's not - http://www.fairtrade.ie/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,109 elperello
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    First Up wrote: »

    Given that here is a debate over the best way to help third world farmers I would still rather support the people trying to help even if they are not perfect. The big companies have a history of exploitation and are pursuing their own bottom line to the disadvantage of the poor.
    That's my rationale, Lyons, Barrys etc are definitely not my cup of tea but you make your own mind up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 First Up
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    elperello wrote:
    Given that here is a debate over the best way to help third world farmers I would still rather support the people trying to help even if they are not perfect. The big companies have a history of exploitation and are pursuing their own bottom line to the disadvantage of the poor. That's my rationale, Lyons, Barrys etc are definitely not my cup of tea but you make your own mind up.

    elperello wrote:
    Given that here is a debate over the best way to help third world farmers I would still rather support the people trying to help even if they are not perfect. The big companies have a history of exploitation and are pursuing their own bottom line to the disadvantage of the poor. That's my rationale, Lyons, Barrys etc are definitely not my cup of tea but you make your own mind up.

    If it makes you feel better, go right ahead but don't be under any illusions about who is getting the benefit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,109 elperello
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    First Up wrote: »
    If it makes you feel better, go right ahead but don't be under any illusions about who is getting the benefit.

    I'm not deluded and I don't support Fairtrade to make myself "feel better".

    The poor of the Third World have been exploited by colonisation, corrupt governments and multi-national companies for generations. The organisations involved in Fairtrade have only been going for about fifty years. On a shoestring compared to the revenues of the big companies they are trying to make things better. As I said before they are not perfect. They don't get it right always but I would prefer to throw in my lot with them as a gesture of solidarity. Also, I usually get a nice cup of tea into the bargain!


    I would appeal to tea drinkers to try Fairtrade and if you find it suits your palate please continue to support a worthy cause.

    http://www.fairtrade.ie/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 First Up
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    elperello wrote:
    The poor of the Third World have been exploited by colonisation, corrupt governments and multi-national companies for generations. The organisations involved in Fairtrade have only been going for about fifty years. On a shoestring compared to the revenues of the big companies they are trying to make things better. As I said before they are not perfect. They don't get it right always but I would prefer to throw in my lot with them as a gesture of solidarity. Also, I usually get a nice cup of tea into the bargain!

    Exactly the sort of woolly tree-huggery that allows producers to be further exploited. All a certified Fair trade producer gets is a guaranteed price, which more than 95% of the time is lower than market prices.

    The extra margin applied by retailers on Fairtrade products goes to the retailers bottom line - not the producer. Meanwhile Fairtrade executives look after themselves very well while travelling the world to bestow their dubious blessings.
    elperello wrote:
    I would appeal to tea drinkers to try Fairtrade and if you find it suits your palate please continue to support a worthy cause.

    Just make an effort to find out exactly who you are supporting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,109 elperello
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    First Up wrote: »
    Exactly the sort of woolly tree-huggery that allows producers to be further exploited. All a certified Fair trade producer gets is a guaranteed price, which more than 95% of the time is lower than market prices.

    The extra margin applied by retailers on Fairtrade products goes to the retailers bottom line - not the producer. Meanwhile Fairtrade executives look after themselves very well while travelling the world to bestow their dubious blessings.



    Just make an effort to find out exactly who you are supporting.

    I know exactly what I am supporting while you seem to think that continuing to depend on the people who have caused so much poverty in the Third World will improve things.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 First Up
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    elperello wrote:
    I know exactly what I am supporting while you seem to think that continuing to depend on the people who have caused so much poverty in the Third World will improve things.

    Next time you pick up a box of Fairtrade tea in your local supermarket, have a little think about how it got there. Better still, educate yourself about it.

    (Unless of course you have a skin in the game, in which case you already know perfectly well.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,109 elperello
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    First Up wrote: »
    Next time you pick up a box of Fairtrade tea in your local supermarket, have a little think about how it got there. Better still, educate yourself about it.

    (Unless of course you have a skin in the game, in which case you already know perfectly well.)

    Not sure why you feel the need to make out that I don't know what I'm talking about because I disagree with you.I have no idea where your implication that I "have skin in the game" is coming from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 First Up
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    elperello wrote:
    Not sure why you feel the need to make out that I don't know what I'm talking about because I disagree with you.I have no idea where your implication that I "have skin in the game" is coming from.

    Its just hard to understand how or why someone ignores the well researched and evidenced based conclusions of credible individuals and respected institutions and retain such unquestioning faith in Fairtrade.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Peregrine
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    I've split this topic from the favourite tea thread because it was getting off-topic. You can discuss it to your heart's content here.


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