The never ending drug epidemic in Dublin and further afield

Train Dragon

Ive been in Dublin alot on business the past few months and Im fairly shocked with how bad things have got in the city centre. Junkies are everywhere.

Junkies on the quays.

Junkies in Temple Bar.

Junkies harrasing shop staff.

Junkies with kids in prams.

I havent been to many major cities to say this 100%, but we have to now surely have one of the most disgusting capital cities in the world.

What is been done?

And, apart from fücking them all in the Liffey, what can be done?

Based on what Ive seen recently any "war on drugs" (was there ever any one to begin with?) has been lost.

Oodoov

Dublin is great.

Drugs are bad.

Train Dragon

Oodoov wrote: »

Dublin is great.

Drugs are bad.

Dublin is now riddled with drugs.

So where does that leave it?

Oodoov

Train Dragon wrote: »

Dublin is now riddled with drugs.

So where does that leave it?

On the east coast just above Wicklow?

Train Dragon

Ah yes. After Hours.

Home of the "smart arse reply to get Thanks"

eeguy

Train Dragon wrote: »

Ah yes. After Hours.

Home of the "smart arse reply to get Thanks"

What do ya want? A comprehensive anti drugs plan neatly summed up in a post on an online forum at 1am on a Friday?

Cause brother, that is NOT gonna happen.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

eeguy wrote: »

Cause brother, that is NOT gonna happen.

Thanks Hulk.

RayM

I worked in a shop along the quays for several years and never had any hassle with heroin users. Plenty of hassle with drunk people though.

For a start, we should stop treating them like criminals.

DontThankMe

Start treating them as addicts instead of criminals.

fritzelly

You forgot Junkies in wheelchairs

(and yes I've seen them get up and vacate it for someone else)

Ted111

Train Dragon wrote: »

Junkies are everywhere.

Junkies on the quays.

Junkies in Temple Bar.

Junkies harrasing shop staff.

Junkies with kids in prams.

.

The quays is contained in everywhere.
Or we could say that in the set 'everywhere' which contains all places, places being elements in that set, the element 'Temple Bar' is a member.

Everywhere={quays, Templebar, prams......}

Atlantic Dawn

It's their culture.

learn_more

Actually a lot of cities are like this. Usually the smaller ones. Glasgow, Manchester, Birmingham..

The west end of London has a no tolerance policy for people like this which is why you only see the occasional nutty tramp there.
It's not an accident it's like this. They have been hounded out of the west end of London because it is a huge tourist attraction.

Train Dragon

RayM wrote: »

I worked in a shop along the quays for several years and never had any hassle with heroin users. Plenty of hassle with drunk people though.

For a start, we should stop treating them like criminals.

Well today, first hand, I saw a security guard been abused by a junkie couple. The supermarket on Aston Quay. Think it's a SuperValu.

Train Dragon

learn_more wrote: »

The west end of London has a no tolerance policy for people like this which is why you only see the occasional nutty tramp there.
It's not an accident it's like this. They have been hounded out of the west end of London because it is a huge tourist attraction.

And all moved to the East End Im guessing.

Train Dragon

eeguy wrote: »

What do ya want? A comprehensive anti drugs plan neatly summed up in a post on an online forum at 1am on a Friday?

Cause brother, that is NOT gonna happen.

There's over 200 people viewing this forum right now. Are they all drunk?

Can they all not engage in a sensible debate?

Arghus

Train Dragon wrote: »

There's over 200 people viewing this forum right now. Are they all drunk?

Can they all not engage in a sensible debate?

Sometimes you have to ask yourself, how much do I want to wade into this debate right now?

Train Dragon

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's their culture.

Well this "culture" needs to move out of the city centre of our capital. The methadone clinics need to be relocated. That's what draws them into town to begin with.

yourdeadwright

DontThankMe wrote: »

Start treating them as addicts instead of criminals.

Being in possession of Heroin is a crime, there for they must be criminals

yourdeadwright

DontThankMe wrote: »

Start treating them as addicts instead of criminals.

Being in possession of Heroin is a crime, there for they must be criminals

readytosnap

Train Dragon wrote: »

Ah yes. After Hours.

Home of the "smart arse reply to get Thanks"

Thanks

Train Dragon wrote: »

Well this "culture" needs to move out of the city centre of our capital. The methadone clinics need to be relocated. That's what draws them into town to begin with.

I don't live in Dublin anymore so as far as I am concerned they can all stay in Dublin, they are the scum of the earth in my opinion. I've yet to meet a junkie who wasn't a criminal (have met a few and have been related to a few over the years) Pure scum.
Just out of curiosity, where would you suggest they move the Methadone clinics?, Not that I am concerned about the scummy junkies, if it was up to me I wouldn't even have methadone clinics, lock em all up and cold turkey the filth.
I only feel this way because I am such a tolerant and caring person.

Train Dragon

readytosnap wrote: »

where would you suggest they move the Methadone clinics?.

To industrial estates in the various kip estates of Dublin. Let's be honest, it'll save most of the junkies a bus fare into town.

readytosnap

Train Dragon wrote: »

To industrial estates in the various kip estates of Dublin. Let's be honest, it'll save most of the junkies a bus fare into town.

They pay bus fare? :eek::eek:

Train Dragon

readytosnap wrote: »

They pay bus fare? :eek::eek:

Probably not as drug addiction and being an alcoholic is, unbelievably, seen as a disability in the country.

Oodoov

Train Dragon wrote: »

To industrial estates in the various kip estates of Dublin. Let's be honest, it'll save most of the junkies a bus fare into town.

Slowly the veil drops. I'm shocked, not.

Train Dragon

Oodoov wrote: »

Slowly the veil drops. I'm shocked, not.

It is simply following the same model as Mayor Rudy Giuliani who got rid of the junkies and people on the streets in Manhatten.

He fücked them off to the outskirts and it was a total game changer for New York.

Having junkies in built up areas in the city centre of a capital city is asking for trouble.

super_furry

Train Dragon wrote: »

There's over 200 people viewing this forum right now. Are they all drunk?

Can they all not engage in a sensible debate?

You don't want a sensible debate. You want to rant and rave about a couple of things you may have seen and you want people to agree with you.

tonycascarino

Train Dragon wrote: »

It is simply following the same model as Mayor Rudy Giuliani who got rid of the junkies and people on the streets in Manhatten.

He fücked them off to the outskirts and it was a total game changer for New York.

Having junkies in built up areas in the city centre of a capital city is asking for trouble.

This should have been done here years ago. Those walking zombies in Dublin really are an eyesore.

5starpool

We need a Dublin version of 'hamsterdam'.

Knex*

Decriminalisation coupled with a rehab process, such as the one implemented in Portugal, would be a great start.

wakka12

Train Dragon wrote: »

Ive been in Dublin alot on business the past few months and Im fairly shocked with how bad things have got in the city centre. Junkies are everywhere.

Junkies on the quays.

Junkies in Temple Bar.

Junkies harrasing shop staff.

Junkies with kids in prams.

I havent been to many major cities to say this 100%, but we have to now surely have one of the most disgusting capital cities in the world.

What is been done?

And, apart from fücking them all in the Liffey, what can be done?

Based on what Ive seen recently any "war on drugs" (was there ever any one to begin with?) has been lost.

Well it shows, as its quite simply not one of the most disgusting capital cities in the world, as shown by our ever increasing tourist numbers. http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/number-of-tourists-to-ireland-in-2016-set-to-top-nine-million-1.2881305
But seriously that statement is ridiculous, so you think dublins one of the worst capitals in the world genuinely? Worse than Damanscus, Pyong yang, karachi, dhaka, lagos, tripoli, mexico city,kiev and the many other capitals which are objectively much worse places to live?Really quite a first world problems thing to complain about junkies here and say its the worst city to live in in the world when hundreds of other world cities deal with terrorist bombings, kindnappings, drug gangs, poverty we cant even begin to imagine and massive homelessness, draught and other natural disasters daily

DEFTLEFTHAND

It must so fcking miserable to be on the streets all day trying to scrounge change and smokes off people. Then you start feeling sick and need more heroin. I wouldn't wish that life on my worst enemy.

Such a horrible drug, it strips the addict of all dignity.

Train Dragon

Knex. wrote: »

Decriminalisation coupled with a rehab process, such as the one implemented in Portugal, would be a great start.

You want to legalise Heroin?

wakka12

Train Dragon wrote: »

You want to legalise Heroin?

It may sound like a bad idea but realistically the demographics of users will not change much at all even if its legalised, most people know not to **** up their lives with heroin, and its too expensive for children/teenagers to afford

Knex*

Train Dragon wrote: »

You want to legalise Heroin?

I want to decriminilise heroin.

juanjo

In the Netherlands heroin is provided by the government. It's purer than any you could buy in the black market and you have to register and go to the appointed centres to get your daily dose/s. You are provided also with all equipment and paraphernalia you need, be it to consume it injected or smoked.

That keeps the junkies off the street, lowers the crime rates, and maintains a control of the addicts' current health situation.

https://news.vice.com/article/only-in-the-netherlands-do-addicts-complain-about-free-government-heroin

readytosnap

wakka12 wrote: »

when hundreds of other world cities deal with terrorist bombings, kindnappings, drug gangs, poverty we cant even begin to imagine and massive homelessness, draught and other natural disasters daily

DUBLIN:
Bombings - check (70's)
Kidnappings - check (Tidey)
drug gangs - check (everywhere)
poverty - check ( lots of places)
Homelessness - check ( increasing all the time)
Natural disasters - check ( flooding)
Draught - check (used to have one at the front door but we got a draught excluder so we are ok now)

wakka12

readytosnap wrote: »

DUBLIN:
Bombings - check (70's)
Kidnappings - check (Tidey)
drug gangs - check (everywhere)
poverty - check ( lots of places)
Homelessness - check ( increasing all the time)
Natural disasters - check ( flooding)
Draught - check (used to have one at the front door but we got a draught excluder so we are ok now)

the 70's exactly,What year is it now? Who's been kidnapped recently that made national news? You see posts like this try to equate problems in Dublin with being as bad as ones in third world countries is actually insulting to people who have to endure living in those places
And our 'flooding' ( a few inches of water) is laughable compared to what people in the americas and asia go through, flooding here is some slight discomfort and travel disruption. Some ground floor damage costs ,new carpets and furniture. Flooding in lots of other places means your family's life being in danger and your home washing away

readytosnap

wakka12 wrote: »

You see posts like this try to equate problems in Dublin with being as bad as ones in third world countries is actually insulting to people who have to endure living in those places
And our 'flooding' ( a few inches of water) is laughable compared to what people in the americas and asia go through, flooding here is some slight discomfort and travel disruption. Some ground floor damage costs ,new carpets and furniture. Flooding in lots of other places means your family's life being in danger and your home washing away

You are the one who started talking about third world countries.
I know people who have had their homes destroyed by flooding in this country (hardly described as a slight discomfort)
It is all relative to your surroundings, those homes (shacks) that get washed away practically every year in Asia probably cost a lot less to build than a decent shagpile.
Could you afford new carpets and furniture and household repairs after a flood?

caff

juanjo wrote: »

In the Netherlands heroin is provided by the government. It's purer than any you could buy in the black market and you have to register and go to the appointed centres to get your daily dose/s. You are provided also with all equipment and paraphernalia you need, be it to consume it injected or smoked.

That keeps the junkies off the street, lowers the crime rates, and maintains a control of the addicts' current health situation.

https://news.vice.com/article/only-in-the-netherlands-do-addicts-complain-about-free-government-heroin

This is what we need to do, tale the motivation for crime away. Take the money out of it and treat it as a medical problem

readytosnap

wakka12 wrote: »

the 70's exactly,What year is it now? Who's been kidnapped recently that made national news?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/im-dead-cried-kidnap-victim-as-he-was-abducted-26784779.html

http://www.thejournal.ie/tiger-kidnapping/news/

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/jilted-drug-dealer-fighting-life-5049370

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/the-viper-s-life-1.2129450

do you want more?

wakka12

readytosnap wrote: »

You are the one who started talking about third world countries.
I know people who have had their homes destroyed by flooding in this country (hardly described as a slight discomfort)
It is all relative to your surroundings, those homes (shacks) that get washed away practically every year in Asia probably cost a lot less to build than a decent shagpile.
Could you afford new carpets and furniture and household repairs after a flood?

The Op started talking about other countries when he claimed that Ireland was the 'most disgusting' capital in the world, actually
And you make a good point but thats not entirely true. In the US, the housing quality is of similar standard but you still get massive flooding on a scale that we simply do not receive and several dozen people die in these kind of events. Nobody dies in flooding here really, just the odd couple who were unfortunately trapped in a car or went to close to a raging river.
So other countries do have much worse flooding and it cant all be blamed on their poor housing quality

readytosnap

wakka12 wrote: »

Nobody dies in flooding here really, just the odd couple who were unfortunately trapped in a car or went to close to a raging river.

That makes it less important so.

wakka12

readytosnap wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/im-dead-cried-kidnap-victim-as-he-was-abducted-26784779.html

http://www.thejournal.ie/tiger-kidnapping/news/

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/jilted-drug-dealer-fighting-life-5049370

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/the-viper-s-life-1.2129450

do you want more?

Isolated Kidnap cases happen on EVERY city on earth. Many cities though have social reputations for being places which are very unsafe and where kindapping is a likely occurrence. Mexico city and Karachi would be examples of this. Dublin would not, unless you'd like to argue otherwise and prove me wrong by posting some more kidnap instances that have happened in Dublin over the last 5 or so years, that would be much more telling than statistics that prove Dublin is one of the safest cities on earth to live in.

ScumLord

Well obviously we need to keep doing what we've been doing and treating them like subhumans. It's bound to work sooner or later.

Prohibition creates organised drug crime. Without prohibition the problem is drug addiction.

readytosnap

wakka12 wrote: »

Isolated Kidnap cases happen on EVERY city on earth. Many cities though have social reputations for being places which are very unsafe and where kindapping is a likely occurrence. Mexico city and Karachi would be examples of this. Dublin would not, unless you'd like to argue otherwise and prove me wrong by posting some more kidnap instances that have happened in Dublin over the last 5 or so years, that would be much more telling than statistics that prove Dublin is one of the safest cities on earth to live in.

Look you pulled me up on the fact I mentioned bombings in the 70's and asked "who's been kidnapped recently that made national news"
I am after giving you four different examples from four different news sources and now you want me to name more in the last 5 years???
Do you even live in this Country? scumbags go missing all the time and are found either buried up the mountains or in a ditch in some other county, do you think they went out walking and buried themselves? Lots of Tiger kidnappings in this country over the last decade.
There are approx 5 million people in Ireland, that means for every person in Ireland there are 24 people in Mexico, more people = more crime.
Initially we are talking about junkie scum and you are now comparing Mexico city and Dublin in relation to kidnappings?
Why are there so many kidnappings in Mexico City? let me guess, are they DRUG related?.

wakka12

readytosnap wrote: »

Look you pulled me up on the fact I mentioned bombings in the 70's and asked "who's been kidnapped recently that made national news"
I am after giving you four different examples from four different news sources and now you want me to name more in the last 5 years???
Do you even live in this Country? scumbags go missing all the time and are found either buried up the mountains or in a ditch in some other county, do you think they went out walking and buried themselves? Lots of Tiger kidnappings in this country over the last decade.
There are approx 5 million people in Ireland, that means for every person in Ireland there are 24 people in Mexico, more people = more crime.
Initially we are talking about junkie scum and you are now comparing Mexico city and Dublin in relation to kidnappings?
Why are there so many kidnappings in Mexico City? let me guess, are they DRUG related?.

You think thats the only reason theres more crime in mexico than Ireland??You have got to be kidding me. If it was adjusted for population differences Mexico's crime rate in all sectors would be still be so so much higher.
And as I have already said, I compared it to places like Mexico to put a little perspective on the outrageous statements on this thread such as the OP who said ireland 'the most disgusting' capital in the world
And yes most are drug related but so are most kidnappings here, whats your point?

readytosnap

wakka12 wrote: »

You think thats the only reason theres more crime in mexico than Ireland??You have got to be kidding me. If it was adjusted for population differences Mexico's crime rate in all sectors would be still be so so much higher.
And as I have already said, I compared it to places like Mexico to put a little perspective on the outrageous statements on this thread such as the OP who said ireland 'the most disgusting' capital in the world
And yes most are drug related but so are most kidnappings here, whats your point?

my point is the OP was right, Dublin is a complete sh*thole I don't care wtf you compare it to. Junkies are scum and I could not give a rats arse how much crime there is in Mexico or Asia or anywhere else for that matter.
take it up with someone else, I have lost interest and moved on.

wakka12

readytosnap wrote: »

my point is the OP was right, Dublin is a complete sh*thole I don't care wtf you compare it to. Junkies are scum and I could not give a rats arse how much crime there is in Mexico or Asia or anywhere else for that matter.
take it up with someone else, I have lost interest and moved on.

Well Dublin is not a **** hole as backed up by many surveys of quality of life around the world. So you're just wrong on that account, no two ways about it. And fair enough that you don't care , you just cant expect people to respect your opinion that Dubins a ****hole if you wont even consider the statistics that prove otherwise. And what makes some place a '****hole' anyway? Not really a good measure of a city's liveability is it, your own subjective opinion of ****tiness

super_furry

readytosnap wrote: »

my point is the OP was right, Dublin is a complete sh*thole I don't care wtf you compare it to.

Yeah, apart from that fact that it's not and you're wrong. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/most-liveable-cities-2016-melbourne-vancouver-toronto-best-places-to-live-in-world-terrorism-syria-a7195891.html

All the best now.

wakka12

super_furry wrote: »

Yeah, apart from that fact that it's not and you're wrong. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/most-liveable-cities-2016-melbourne-vancouver-toronto-best-places-to-live-in-world-terrorism-syria-a7195891.html

All the best now.

Yep, Dublin scores extremely well in terms of quality of life year on year without fail. But people on boards will try their hardest to convince you otherwise and make you believe this is Aleppo we are in. I don't know what theyre expecting really, or why they feel Dublin has the duty to be some kind of crime less utopia, when the rest of the world is in the state it is in. We have it very very good here, and people just don't seem to be able to appreciate that.