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Jaguar continue to struggle in Irish market

  • 13-12-2016 08:46AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭


    The xe and f pace were seen as cars to transform jags fortune , however with sales of about 500 - similar to Lexus who don't even do diesels and have less dealers - they don't seem to be stirring buyers here.
    There are new dealerships being built in Waterford, limerick and north dublin - to also sell land rover - but it seems the product range isn't up to scratch .
    Always liked the XF but i think they have ruined its looks and the xe looks too like it. More seriously the 2 litre diesel engine fitted to the xe, xf and f pace is known be be very unrefined and noisy.
    read a long term test of xe and they said the noisy engine was actually starting to annoy them
    Big fan of xj but it doesn't sell and is being replaced


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,316 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Jags never sold well in Ireland. The S type, X type, XF and XE were all supposed to turn the jag brand around here. According to Irish motoring journalists - 99% of whom I wouldn't trust to write a shopping list, not to mind a researched, unbiased article.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭goochy


    The UK press test jags in group tests . point out their many flaws anf how competition is better then say they are the winner in test. That's bias.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,994 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    Threading on controversial ground, but I'd wager the 'best of British' heritage probably doesn't help in an Irish context.

    Personally I've never found them anything special and as a car nut, I wouldn't be drawn to one and they seem pretty common through the years on the road here, a lot of the old ones in bad repair. From my technical car nut side, I'd never seen them as innovative to the same degree as Audi, BMW or Mercedes and certainly on the performance side, those three offer a whole lot more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭Stallingrad


    I doubt its British heritage is the problem, look at the Range Rovers all over the place. Rather the product range, dealer network and marketing are all a bit under whelming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,870 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    Went to local jag dealer earlier this year when changing.
    Wanted to like the cars but couldn't.
    Was interested in xe or f pace.
    Very poor interior plastics on both, badly equipped as standard and the xe seriously short of interior space.
    Compared to the German rivals just couldn't see anything superior in the jags.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,814 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    It's lack of proper marketing more than product imo.
    Dealers are few and the brand is just not out there enough.
    The original xf was a stunning car and they should have sold a pile of them.
    Current xf and xe are a backward step imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,406 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    Went to local jag dealer earlier this year when changing.
    Wanted to like the cars but couldn't.
    Was interested in xe or f pace.
    Very poor interior plastics on both, badly equipped as standard and the xe seriously short of interior space.
    Compared to the German rivals just couldn't see anything superior in the jags.

    I remember reading that the finishing budget for the new Xf was cut by 20% at the last minute. Think the cost cutting shows. I found the quality substandard compared to the older car. Having said that the brother in law is on his third and really likes the new one.

    Don't rate the XE at all. Think it's cramped and oddy proportioned with signs of penny pinching throughout.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,758 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    goochy wrote: »
    More seriously the 2 litre diesel engine fitted to the xe, xf and f pace is known be be very unrefined and noisy.

    Diesels don't belong in luxury cars. 4 pot diesel engines are rough and unrefined. The opposite of what a luxury car is supposed to be. That's the first and foremost problem. And it doesn't help if you're a premium brand but use engines from Peugeot :p

    I wouldn't mind an XF for my next family car, but there aren't too many early model 6 or 8 cylinder petrol ones about and they do seem to keep their second hand value better than I would have hoped...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,839 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    unkel wrote: »
    Diesels don't belong in luxury cars. 4 pot diesel engines are rough and unrefined. The opposite of what a luxury car is supposed to be. That's the first and foremost problem. And it doesn't help if you're a premium brand but use engines from Peugeot :p

    I wouldn't mind an XF for my next family car, but there aren't too many early model 6 or 8 cylinder petrol ones about and they do seem to keep their second hand value better than I would have hoped...

    No PSA engines anymore and even then they were only the V6 versions; the 4 pot 2.0 is internally designed Ingenium. The previous 4 pot was the 2.2 Ford diesel which I believe was not shared with PEugeot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,758 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I don't really know about the newer engines, I was talking about the 2.2 and 2.7. The latter was a disaster of an engine. I bet very few Jaguar / Range Rover owners realised that their expensive high end car had a Peugeot engine!
    Marcusm wrote: »
    The previous 4 pot was the 2.2 Ford diesel which I believe was not shared with PEugeot.

    That's what Jaguar says :D They said that about the 2.7 too. Or well that they actually made it in Dagenham, pure Jaguar engine, etc. :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,839 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    unkel wrote: »
    I don't really know about the newer engines, I was talking about the 2.2 and 2.7. The latter was a disaster of an engine. I bet very few Jaguar / Range Rover owners realised that their expensive high end car had a Peugeot engine!



    That's what Jaguar says :D They said that about the 2.7 too. Or well that they actually made it in Dagenham, pure Jaguar engine, etc. :p

    Shurr the Sport is not a real Range Rover anyway so we can ignore the engines it used!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,870 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    I think the product specs here need a rethink Mick.
    The headline base prices are ok but their cars get very expensive when you add a few bits that come in other car brands as standard.
    I also think they seriously dropped the ball with the new xf. On 17" wheels as standard it looks like a 90's Honda Accord with a rover grille.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,814 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Ya, new XF is a major slip up.
    I have not looked at them in enough detail to know what the spec is like versus the rivals. That alone means they are doing something wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭goochy


    The xj is due to be replaced , it has not been a success for Jaguar but I think its possibly the coolest luxury car bar the mega money cars.
    The uk mags are honest about jags shortfalls and list the ones mentioned here too - unlike we aren't going to be buying out of national pride.
    A nice Rover 75 with 2 litre v6 suddenly seems nice !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,653 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    The XJ is supposedly the best handling and best driving car of all the flagships. There can't be more than a hundred on these shores.

    I think an element of patriotism does come into it, its just not the done thing to "own a Jaguar", which is much more synonymous with being British than say Range Rover models.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,870 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    I actually think the xj is their best looking car and most avant garde but they weren't brave enough to follow through with the smaller models and went backward in styling terms.

    I have to laugh when I see jags or land rovers in British road tests as they gloss over the faults and nearly always win group tests.
    They won't succeed here until they have better showrooms and better equipped and finished cars that are well priced and that includes unfortunately in today's Irish market a good pcp product.
    With sterling so weak right now actually their prices may have to go up not down of their cars I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,814 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    The XJ is supposedly the best handling and best driving car of all the flagships. There can't be more than a hundred on these shores.

    I think an element of patriotism does come into it, its just not the done thing to "own a Jaguar", which is much more synonymous with being British than say Range Rover models.

    I'd like to get one of the last model xj to keep. I think they are a fantastic looking car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,653 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    Agreed, their multi spoke 20"s and a well specced interior looks the business. There's a dual tone wine and black 2011 model cruising around Dundalk, looks the business and is probably great value for money.

    On a bizarre tangent, ever see that same model XJ that was absolutely smashed in a crash in the UK on one of the Motorway Cops shows? Some woman fell asleep and went head first into the front of this guys day-old XJ. He was surprisingly upbeat about it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,882 ✭✭✭pa990


    Jag just screams old man / Arthur Daly.


    Mind you, I wouldn't mind one of the older model's


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,400 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    unkel wrote: »
    Diesels don't belong in luxury cars. 4 pot diesel engines are rough and unrefined. The opposite of what a luxury car is supposed to be. That's the first and foremost problem. And it doesn't help if you're a premium brand but use engines from Peugeot :p

    I wouldn't mind an XF for my next family car, but there aren't too many early model 6 or 8 cylinder petrol ones about and they do seem to keep their second hand value better than I would have hoped...

    You obviously haven't driven many modern decent 2L 4 pots.

    I had more of a comment posted, but I think in the interest of saying nothing if one has nothing positive to say, I'll refrain from commenting on the consistently ordinary nonsense you post.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,814 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    You obviously haven't driven many modern decent 2L 4 pots.

    I had more of a comment posted, but I think in the interest of saying nothing if one has nothing positive to say, I'll refrain from commenting on the consistently ordinary nonsense you post.

    Having a 4 cylinder diesel in a luxury car is not nice whatever way you cut it.
    Yes they are more refined than those of old and a good auto box helps too but still it's sad the way things have gone meaning nearly everything on the road is a 2.0 4 cylinder diesel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,758 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    You obviously haven't driven many modern decent 2L 4 pots.

    There are no modern decent 2l 4 pot diesels that suit luxury cars. The only reason these engines are used is to lower the CO2 output of the car. Why would I want to drive one of these? I hope to keep driving 6 or 8 cylinder petrols as long as I can afford to, and by the looks of things, I might be holding out long enough to see these diesels banned.

    in the interest of saying nothing if one has nothing positive to say, I'll refrain from commenting on the consistently ordinary nonsense you post.

    Yet you break your own rule.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭Jude13


    Allot of XK's going very cheap over here, might be worth a look.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭ctlsleh


    I have the last version of the XF with the 2.2 4 pot putting out 200bhp......it really is a great car to drive if a bit heavy......the beauti of it is that it's not a 520d that have become common as muck.......that being said, while I would love to upgrade, the new XF just isn't appealing enough and despite my comments on the 520d, I'd be more likely to go for the new version coming out next year as it looks so much better.......how's that for schizophrenia....!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭goochy


    While I think the XF has disimproved looks wise , it still looks well. The f pace looks well also and it seems quite natural to have jag 4x4

    Always been a fan of land rovers -.not defender -. Back to the days stuarts were the only RR dealers here . However even I am surprised by the success of the brand here , would it be true to say reliability is stil not their strongest point but irish people still love'em !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭RedorDead


    Drove the new F Pace last week and couldnt believe how agricultural it was. Had all the refinement of a massey ferguson. If you took away the branding it was like sitting in a cheap ford. Looks nice and the switchgear and touchscreen and new dash is nice but so unrefined its scary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,758 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Let me guess, it had the 2l 4pot diesel engine? :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,870 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    When I looked at xe I was amazed at how Poor the quality of the interior plastics was.very cheap scratchy and thin in places you touch every day.
    When I then saw a price list which was impossible to get on their website at the time I didn't bother test driving.
    The other day a f pace roared up behind me on the motorway. Halogen lights just looked wrong on what was at least a 50k car.
    The showroom was a portacabin but in fairness they are now building a proper one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭WestWing


    The XJ is supposedly the best handling and best driving car of all the flagships. There can't be more than a hundred on these shores.

    I think an element of patriotism does come into it, its just not the done thing to "own a Jaguar", which is much more synonymous with being British than say Range Rover models.


    If that was the case, they why have Minis sold so well over the past decade in Ireland?

    Surely the Mini is considered every bit as British as Jaguar is.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,758 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    And as someone else said, the Range Rovers. Selling very well too, particularly in recent times. Rovers have always done well in Ireland too. I don't think the Britishness of products is an issue. Some Irish people don't want to hear it, but if you ask a continental European who has traveled a lot in both Britain and Ireland what the difference is between the two peoples and they'll probably say that culturally they're about 90% the same!


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