Commercial Tax on a Jeep

eddie1986

I am a farmers son and live and work part time on the farm.
I have a car for everyday driving, commuting to work etc. (I work full time off farm).
I want to buy a jeep solely for use on the farm and related activity.
Is there anyway I can tax it commercially as I am not a sole trader and do not have my name connected to the farm officially.

farmerjj

Could your parent go as main driver and put you down as a named driver?!

Mooooo

You'd need a herd number I think. put whoevers name is on herd number down as jeep owner, I'm sure it's all the same if it's one of the folks

eddie1986

My father already has 2 insurance policies for jeep and car so was trying to avoid going down that route.

I think the herd number doesn't work anymore. I heard u have to give a letter from the revenue to say you are self employed.

How do trades men who aren't self employed work it out. They hardly all pay private tax?

lakill Farm

Get a letter from your dad to say you work on the farm and need the jeep. Address it to the co co you want to tax it with. Your relationship to the farmer (son). Reg of jeep and make and model.

Get goods declaration signed by Gardai and tax it.

eddie1986

lakill Farm wrote: »

Get a letter from your dad to say you work on the farm and need the jeep. Address it to the co co you want to tax it with. Your relationship to the farmer (son). Reg of jeep and make and model.

Get goods declaration signed by Gardai and tax it.

Hi thanks for the reply.

Do you know that that will work?

I have heard of guys getting letters from work in the past but I also heard that it was changed now?

blue5000

Another problem you might come across is different attitudes from different councils, only way is to try it with your local one first.

whelan2

blue5000 wrote: »

Another problem you might come across is different attitudes from different councils, only way is to try it with your local one first.

In louth they just wanted a certificate of commercial insurance, no herd number or anything

barnaman

http://www.tipperarycoco.ie/motor-tax/light-goodscommercial-vehicles

Thats Tipps requirements. What Lakill suggests will not work in Tipp unless the son is a registered employee on the farm

exaisle

In Meath, they pretty much want your first born....

6. If the applicant is employed by a Company/Business and is a PAYE worker, the following must be

submitted:-

Original letter from your employer to state/include:-


• that the named applicant is an employee
• the registration number of the vehicle in question
• that the vehicle is used solely for the carriage of goods in the course of the named applicant’s
employment with that employer
• the nature of the business
• the Company’s Revenue Registration Number

7. Original evidence of the applicants Income Tax Registration must be submitted, i.e. any correspondence from the Revenue Commissioners dated within the last year showing the applicant’s name, address and PPS No.

The problem with 7. above is that if the applicant is an employee, he won't have registered for Income Tax (ie self-employed)...he'll be on PAYE....

eddie1986

exaisle wrote: »

In Meath, they pretty much want your first born....

6. If the applicant is employed by a Company/Business and is a PAYE worker, the following must be

submitted:-

Original letter from your employer to state/include:-


• that the named applicant is an employee
• the registration number of the vehicle in question
• that the vehicle is used solely for the carriage of goods in the course of the named applicant’s
employment with that employer
• the nature of the business
• the Company’s Revenue Registration Number

7. Original evidence of the applicants Income Tax Registration must be submitted, i.e. any correspondence from the Revenue Commissioners dated within the last year showing the applicant’s name, address and PPS No.

The problem with 7. above is that if the applicant is an employee, he won't have registered for Income Tax (ie self-employed)...he'll be on PAYE....

Here is the corresponding detail from my co.council for no.7.

"Evidence of your income tax registration is also required e.g. European Health Insurance Card/Social Services Card or any correspondence from revenue within the last year showing your PPS number."


It states you need a letter from your employer.

Official written confirmation letter on headed paper signed by your employer
The official letter from your employer must be current and include the following confirmation:
The nature of the business,
That you are an employee,
That the vehicle is used by you solely for the carriage of goods in the course of your employment and the vehicle registration number,
Your employer's Revenue registered number and your employer's address,
Your PPS Number.

Thats all fine except that im not an employee.
I am going to ring the office today and see what they say.

eddie1986

So I rang the local tax office and was told I don't qualify as I am not registered as self employed and am not employed on the farm I cannot get a letter form my father.
They did ask if i could get a letter from my employer to say I need the Jeep for work, which I don't, and am not sure I can get one from them.
She did then say my father would qualify for commercial tax, which I already know, - I then said doesn't that mean the vehicle has to be in his name, and she said she can't tell me that. Is there a way my father can tax the jeep and I can insure it in my name?

lakill Farm

eddie1986 wrote: »

Hi thanks for the reply.

Do you know that that will work?

I have heard of guys getting letters from work in the past but I also heard that it was changed now?

Works, I have the jeep taxed here that way as farm in wife's name

Often asked by clients to do the letter for them also

Had an issue with local co co taxing one of the company vans a few months ago. co co wouldn't tax it. so I called the local Gardaí and told your one in the tax office to inform the Gardaí they wouldn't tax the van. and boom I got my tax disc.

another joke is the new tax clearance cert (TCC) access codes. county council want TCC but wouldn't look on revenue.ie to verify the codes.
Civil servants can be a pain to deal with.

lakill Farm

barnaman wrote: »

http://www.tipperarycoco.ie/motor-tax/light-goodscommercial-vehicles

Thats Tipps requirements. What Lakill suggests will not work in Tipp unless the son is a registered employee on the farm

it actually works in Westmeath and a few other counties

barnaman

Just to confirm though Lakill has the son to be a registered employee to whom the father pays a wage as that is my understanding of it a simple letter saying son works on farm will not suffice; that work is simply taken as a gesture of natural love and affection and not employment, a declared wage had to be paid.

lakill Farm

barnaman wrote: »

Just to confirm though Lakill has the son to be a registered employee to whom the father pays a wage as that is my understanding of it a simple letter saying son works on farm will not suffice; that work is simply taken as a gesture of natural love and affection and not employment, a declared wage had to be paid.

no never.

I wount be paid a wage from farm here and it was taxed no problem.

eddie1986

lakill Farm wrote: »

no never.

I wount be paid a wage from farm here and it was taxed no problem.

Just had a look on line at the westmeath county council site. This is all that it says about commercials that I can see.
Not looking for as much detail as my local office anyway.
Maybe you are one of the lucky ones.

If taxing a vehicle at the Goods rate with a design gross vehicle weight of 3,500kg and less, a completed Goods Only Declaration RF111A (37kB) and proof of the business in which you are using the vehicle must be submitted to the Motor Tax Office with your application and the required fee. This is required for each vehicle on a once only basis. If you are unable to provide proof of business then you may proceed to tax the goods vehicle at the Private Tax Class. The Vehicle Registration Certificate will be required to change the tax class together with a completed . If you change the tax class of a goods vehicle to the private tax class please be advised that it will still need to be DOE tested annually.

lakill Farm

eddie1986 wrote: »

Just had a look on line at the westmeath county council site. This is all that it says about commercials that I can see.
Not looking for as much detail as my local office anyway.
Maybe you are one of the lucky ones.

If taxing a vehicle at the Goods rate with a design gross vehicle weight of 3,500kg and less, a completed Goods Only Declaration RF111A (37kB) and proof of the business in which you are using the vehicle must be submitted to the Motor Tax Office with your application and the required fee. This is required for each vehicle on a once only basis. If you are unable to provide proof of business then you may proceed to tax the goods vehicle at the Private Tax Class. The Vehicle Registration Certificate will be required to change the tax class together with a completed . If you change the tax class of a goods vehicle to the private tax class please be advised that it will still need to be DOE tested annually.

call Shannon they tax vehicles not the county councils . The co co are only subcontracted to collect the tax

eddie1986

eddie1986 wrote: »

So I rang the local tax office and was told I don't qualify as I am not registered as self employed and am not employed on the farm I cannot get a letter form my father.
They did ask if i could get a letter from my employer to say I need the Jeep for work, which I don't, and am not sure I can get one from them.
She did then say my father would qualify for commercial tax, which I already know, - I then said doesn't that mean the vehicle has to be in his name, and she said she can't tell me that. Is there a way my father can tax the jeep and I can insure it in my name?

Just buy it in your fathers name, transfer his insurance over to just it to get it home and park it. Get him to tax it for the year and as soon as its taxed sign it over to you. Then its yours with a years tax and you can insure it. it's fairly straight forward and not much hassle.

I know of someone else who just wrote their fathers herd number down with their name and they taxed it no problem but that's on dodgier ground where as what I have described above breaks no rules.