Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

Gant21

Follow the pint to €5

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118681553#Comment_118681553

They delivered the case of beer to drinkers at the market price.

The politicians decided to interfere with the market and make us pay more.

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118681017#Comment_118681017

Nothing to do with my definition. People clearly don't see this as a major issue. There are no protests, no political statements, no pressure groups.

Maybe most people can see that while a pain, something needs to be done.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118681765#Comment_118681765

No political statements because all TDs voted for it.

No protests or pressure groups because it's a fairly hard sell. Imagine walking down the street under a banner saying "We Want Cheaper Drink".

Maybe it's more of a slow burner.

Maybe people are taking a while to realise that they are being made pay a lot extra for a few drinks.

Maybe when they do realise that they are paying more because some others can't drink sensibly they will wake up.

dxhound2005

It's entirely discretionary spending. Once the essentials are paid for, people can spend as much as they want on drink.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118681908#Comment_118681908

Nothing to do with the discussion about MUP.

dxhound2005

And MUP does not affect any person on this thread, because they can still afford vast amounts of drink, including importing it.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118681928#Comment_118681928

You don't know that.

Some can afford the new MUP price, some can't.

Some are importing.

Some stocked up.

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118681844#Comment_118681844

So you are back to the conspiracy that somehow the public, apart of course from the select few on here, have simply not really understood despite the prices rising in the shops.

At that it all down to some powerful secret cabal to hide the truth from everybody and get every TD to buy in. Despite most political parties spend they're lives objecting to stuff mainly to be seen to be objecting.

Or, maybe, this really isn't that important to the majority of people. The majority of people who are, btw, quite prepared to pay >€5 a pint in a pub.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118682139#Comment_118682139

Lot's of theories and maybes.

One thing is indisputable MUP increased the price of drink.

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118682194#Comment_118682194

Absolutely, that's not even a debate. The debate is whether the general public think its a serious issue.

All the current evidence would suggest they don't. What we have seen people on here argue is that they would only they have been duped by the media.

Suckit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118681908#Comment_118681908

That literally can be applied to anything - cycling, gaming, chocolate/candy, driving and many more things that are bad for health and/or can lead to death.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118681928#Comment_118681928

Importing it wouldn't mean that MUP doesn't affect the people that would be importing it. It could mean the opposite. I haven't checked, but it could work out cheaper to import and pay the duty on some alcoholic drinks in quantity than to buy it with the nonsense retailers bonus added to it.

Temptamperu

if i cant afford to drink in a pub why cant i drink at home where there is no drug dealers or violent morons. good auld leo and micheal got a brown envelope from the vinters to hell with everyone else. the price of booze does not matter when you are paid over 100.000 grand a year.

Gant21

Anyone got a few cans to spare D15?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118680715#Comment_118680715

The price of alcohol is not the major talking point it was in decades past.

Look at old RTE archives and you will find stories from the 60s, 70s and 80s about "the price of the pint" with vox pops, protests etc.

Sometimes in pubs you see these framed posters showing "the price of the pint" over the years/decades.

But just like the TV reports these posters don't go beyond the 80s or 90s.

Because for the last few decades "the price of the pint" has lost its position as the Irish weather vane.

The main reason for this is because alcohol has become relatively cheap in Ireland.

It's far cheaper now than those days of the TV vox pops.

Today things like streaming tv subscription or data plans are the weather vane.

So people don't really care about MUP they are either willing to, or can afford to take the hit or reduce consumption without making a fuss about it.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118682232#Comment_118682232

I never mentioned the media.

I've already given my opinion on the general public question.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118673493#Comment_118673493

Be careful what you wish for.

There will be plenty of submissions to that public consultation that will make very valid and articulate arguments why MUP should be introduced.

And in my opinion they will outnumber the submissions against MUP.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118684584#Comment_118684584

alcohol prices are among the most expensive in europe, it is in no way cheap and hasn't been for a long time.

people see MUP for what it is, an indirect pub subsidy, and are either avoiding it via various means, or are just not doing what it is actually designed for and are still drinking at home.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118684882#Comment_118684882

except they won't make valid arguments in favour of MUP as we already know it doesn't work.

whether the submissions in favour of this dead duck will outnumber those against it only time will tell.

fritzelly

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

So Carlsberg used to be 14 euro in Tesco, now 15.50 - 10% increase for no reason

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118681765#Comment_118681765

People dont march for anything.

I'd say if the government introduce mandatory left arm amputation for everyone.

They'd be no protests.

How subservient the public is here.

ShamNNspace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118699320#Comment_118699320

Indeed there would be some who would claim the order doesn't go far enough

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118699320#Comment_118699320

You must have missed the water charges protests!

People will protest when they believe the issue is serious enough. This clearly isn't. It is to you, I get that, but you are not everyone and it appears you are in the minority on this.

This isn't an issue an the doorsteps, no politician is under pressure to raise this.

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118699823#Comment_118699823

Because its is a minor issue granted.

But your hardly going to go out a protest for cheaper alcohol now are you considering the massive increases in cost of living here overall.

If anything it will be over something else that considered a necessity like energy or food or water

You might not think politicians wont be called on it. But it might be mentioned along with all other cost increases.

Government intervention in the market is wrong either way

People are not stupid.

Suckit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118699823#Comment_118699823

The water protests were different for many reasons.

The water charges were unusual, the Government weren't even prepared for that (which isn't so unusual), they could do nothing but moan. People here generally don't protest. FFG have had it fairly good for a very long time, pushing things on us without any backlash. Compared to other countries they have had it easy.

Nigzcurran

Most people like meself couldn’t give a shite to be honest, my 8 pack of bulmers is still roughly the same price. We all hate paying extra for stuff but that’s life, more important things to get upset over

Suckit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118700820#Comment_118700820

Kinda misses the point. The government have decided that something should have a minimum price because 'they are looking after our health' (they're not), but it only really targets and affects people on a lower income, so it's okay.

Going down this route leaves it open for them to increase prices on anything without making it a tax, whilst disguising it as "for our health". That is some power to have. Opens a massive door for (more) corruption too imo, and could easily be abused. Never mind all the other obvious issues with it, including it isn't their job to watch what we eat or drink.

Gant21

D15 any whiskey can revolut and have a lad on pedal bike deliveroo to collect

Nigzcurran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118700913#Comment_118700913

Yep I get that but the price of some of the likes of the aldi beer was a bit silly, I used to buy the 12 pack for around €12 and skull the lot of them in one night, I wouldn’t drink 12 cans now cause it would be too expensive so mup works in that scenario

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118701326#Comment_118701326

You do realise you could have stopped drinking 12 cans a night any time?

I never drink more than 2 and I'm paying more for them now to help you reduce your drinking.

No need to say thanks 🙂