Irish immigration query

Topps

Can anyone explain to me why Ireland doesnt have an outbound immagration check? Wouldnt this be something of interest to Ireland? Seems baffling.

coylemj

It's effectively done by the airlines for outbound flights, they ask to see your passport to make sure that you have the right to be admitted to the country you're flying to. Otherwise (if you get rejected at the other end), they have to bring you back and risk being fined. So there's no need for the Govt. to do it.

I flew home from the US recently and nobody from Customs and Border Protection (CBP) asked to see my passport, I scanned my Irish passport on the airline's self-service kiosk and it spat out my boarding pass. An airline employee looked at my passport at the gate to make sure the name matched that on the boarding card and that was it.

Pat Dunne

Topps wrote: »

Yes but there is no immagration check? Of couse there is a need. Nearly every other country does it. Its just amazing really. I cant find anything else on the internet about it either.

Can I ask why do you feel that there should be an immigration check at departures?

Although in fairness this is an Aviation and Aircraft forum and I don't see any reason for this topic to on this forum

Topps

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Can I ask why do you feel that there check for departures?

Why I feel there is a need for immagration to check on outbound flights?
For one it may stop some of our criminals fleeing the country so easily.
Two to catch students on student visas from outside of the EU and it would be a check to see if they overstayed. Same thing for people outside of the EU working here over there visa.
There are many reasons why this would be of interest for the country and government.
Im not against immagrants in our country. I just believe there should be a more sufficient check done on people leaving the country.

Anyone see where I'm coming from?

Topps

Can a mod move this to the travel form please.

L1011

There is usually a check for exiting Schengen by air. Its not common anywhere else.

Topps

L1011 wrote: »

There is usually a check for exiting Schengen by air. Its not common anywhere else.

Usually??

Anyway the Schengen agreement is mostly EU countries and a few outside the EU. Country like spain and France will still check your passport at immagration leaving their country. They have a reason too so why dont we?

Marcusm

maximum12 wrote: »

They don't. you're imagining it.

Actually most countries, in my experience, do have an outbound check. The US has never had an outbound physical check but airlines previously had to collect and return the green/white immigration slips for VWP/visa required nationals. The check is now done electronically and passed to CBP. The UK abandoned it in 1996/1997 and it is one of the issues which became live about 5 years ago as it became clear that the dropped check meant that they could not check up on overstayers etc. Since about 18 months, UK airlines have been required to report the passport numbers of departing flights to permit Border Force/Agencies/UKV&I (delete depending on which day it is) to cross reference overstayers.

Most if not all other EU countries have a departure check for non Scehngen flights which, for non EEA passport holders, is collated against visa and entry records. Equally, this has been my experience across South American, Asian and African nations.

Cookiemunster

Topps wrote: »

Usually??

Anyway the Schengen agreement is mostly EU countries and a few outside the EU. Country like spain and France will still check your passport at immagration leaving their country. They have a reason too so why dont we?

You don't need a passport to leave the Schengen to travel to the UK/Ireland, therefore it's not an immigration check. We Irish have to show a passport because we don't have any other ID that is recognised for air travel.

Marcusm

L1011 wrote: »

There is usually a check for exiting Schengen by air. Its not common anywhere else.

I disagree; Canada, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Japan,China, Hong Kong, Thailand, Many Caribbean countries - that's just what I've seen over the past 5 years.

Topps

Cookiemunster wrote: »

You don't need a passport to leave the Schengen to travel to the UK/Ireland, therefore it's not an immigration check. We Irish have to show a passport because we don't have any other ID that is recognised for air travel.

We have a Common Travel Area between Ireland and the UK so thats different.

L1011

Topps wrote: »

Usually??

Anyway the Schengen agreement is mostly EU countries and a few outside the EU. Country like spain and France will still check your passport at immagration leaving their country. They have a reason too so why dont we?

They don't check if you're not leaving Schengen and even then not everywhere checks.

You seem to be extrapolating what you've encountered in a few places to the entire world.

You are also overstating and overthinking the benefits of it - particularly when we have a land border with a country that doesn't do it. Its expensive and unnecessary

Topps

L1011 wrote: »

They don't check if you're not leaving Schengen and even then not everywhere checks.

You seem to be extrapolating what you've encountered in a few places to the entire world.

You are also overstating and overthinking the benefits of it - particularly when we have a land border with a country that doesn't do it. Its expensive and unnecessary

They were just examples. You can make your own list. Yes expensive I agree. Could you explain why you think it is unnecessary?

kerry4sam

Not sure where this thread was moved here from.
Posts were deleted by me.

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veetwin

Cookiemunster wrote: »

You don't need a passport to leave the Schengen to travel to the UK/Ireland, therefore it's not an immigration check. We Irish have to show a passport because we don't have any other ID that is recognised for air travel.

A passport or equivalent ID is definitely required to travel from Shengen to the UK or Ireland. (Hence the Calais jungle)

In answer to your second point we Irish can travel throughout Europe on our passport card. Passport not required.

L1011

Topps wrote: »

They were just examples. You can make your own list. Yes expensive I agree. Could you explain why you think it is unnecessary?

Because it acheives nothing but security theatre. Anyone over maybe 25 in Ireland will remember the security theatre we had for the IRA et al activities and how it didn't work either.

Tenger

kerry4sam wrote: »

Not sure where this thread was moved here from.
Posts were deleted by me.

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Thanks,
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Thread was originally posted in Aircraft & Aviation. Was reported to A&A mods for move and the thread starter (Topps) also requested a move to Travel forum. Hence the redirect to Travel.

coylemj

L1011 wrote: »

Because it acheives nothing but security theatre. Anyone over maybe 25 in Ireland will remember the security theatre we had for the IRA et al activities and how it didn't work either.

+1 It was a complete farce and clearly not intelligence led. If you were smartly dressed and arriving in the old T1 in Heathrow, you were hardly ever pulled over. On the other hand if you looked scruffy and (especially) if you had a beard, the chances of getting stopped was >90%. In the 1970s and 80s, a group of bearded lads travelling together from Ireland set off all sorts of alarm bells. I once observed four such fellows getting grilled by a young copper in Heathrow - Barney McKenna, Ronnie Drew, Luke Kelly and John Sheahan.

Pat Dunne

kerry4sam wrote: »

Not sure where this thread was moved here from.
Posts were deleted by me.

Please read our Travel forum charter before posting in here.

Thanks,
kerry4sam

This might be of assistance.

Pat Dunne wrote: »

in fairness this is an Aviation and Aircraft forum and I don't see any reason for this topic to on this forum

How come you got lumbered with it, is only known to the Boards.ie hierarchy.