Jag I-Pace, Model X competitor

rocky

400hp, 220 miles (310 miles in Europe :rolleyes:), available 2018


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/jaguar-reveals-i-pace-electric-car/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqNmd5W5a0Q

Waiting for the BMW version myself :cool:

macnab

That looks good, the market seems to be pulling itself out of the primordial goo.

220 miles from 95 Kwh ? seems a bit low.

Nice car .

Dardania

Deleted User wrote: »

220 miles from 95 Kwh ? seems a bit low.

Nice car .

Might weigh a ton...

TBi

I-Pace?

does this mean they should have named the Diesel F-Pace the D-Pace?

Dardania

Dardania wrote: »

Might weigh a ton...

I doubt it will have that much of an effect.

Dardania

Deleted User wrote: »

Dardania wrote: »

Might weigh a ton...

I doubt it will have that much of an effect.

I mean maybe the low range from 95kwh is because the rest of the car weighs a lot...

Dardania

Dardania wrote: »

I mean maybe the low range from 95kwh is because the rest of the car weighs a lot...

Yes but so does the Model S and it gets 265 miles on 85 Kwh.

To Put that into perspective, the Bolt 60 Kwh can get 240 miles without trying hard.

cros13

Dardania wrote: »

Might weigh a ton...

More than 2 actually. 2100kg.

cros13

rocky wrote: »

Waiting for the BMW version myself :cool:

EV BMW X3 due the year after the I-Pace. Rumor is a 92kWh battery, possibly a three motor AWD system.

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes but so does the Model S and it gets 265 miles on 85 Kwh.

To Put that into perspective, the Bolt 60 Kwh can get 240 miles without trying hard.

I-Pace drag co-efficient is 0.29 vs the Model S's 0.24. Both weigh the same.

KCross

cros13 wrote: »

More than 2 actually. 2100kg.

Long term, when "everyone" is driving EV's, will it be a more or less dangerous place to be involved in a car crash solely based on the increased weights?

I mean, trying to stop a 2 ton car at 100kmh and an "equivalent" ICE cant be the same.

Or is it safer because there is more mass to absorb the shock?

cros13

KCross wrote: »

I mean, trying to stop a 2 ton car at 100kmh and an "equivalent" ICE cant be the same.

Or is it safer because there is more mass to absorb the shock?

The EVs tend to be safer despite the increased mass for a few reasons:

1. That mass isn't in a big metal engine block up front which:
a) doesn't intrude into the cabin during a crash
b) doesn't intrude into the other vehicle
c) allows larger crumple zones and more space/time/structure for energy dissipation

2. Most of the mass is in a skateboard battery pack under the floor, which:
a) means a low center of gravity and prevents the vehicle from flipping
b) which also ensures crash structures work effectively as the forces in a crash are more predictable
c) also adds structural rigidity and in particular with things like a side impact or partial side impact prevents intrusion into the passenger cabin.

3. Because they're new cars and tend to be better equipped than new ICEs they are more likely to have active accident mitigation in the form of front collision avoidance, pedestrian detection with automatic braking etc. etc.

4. There are design features that remove other risks during/after an accident, like when the airbags go off, simultaneously an explosive charge disconnects the high voltage system from the traction battery. and other features being first tried in EVs, like in my i3 there's an initiator in front of the wheels that in the event of a front collision mechanically disconnects the suspension and folds the wheels out and away from the passenger cabin.

So, in short, while more mass means more energy in the event of an accident, the distribution of mass and the effect on dissipation of forces in a crash are more important in preventing injury.

cros13

New spy shots of the production version of the i-pace concept:

KCross

Looks like its €80k+ in this Dutch article. I can only assume it would be more expensive here when the revenue stick their VRT on it and thats for the entry level model! :eek:

I thought it might have come in in the €50-60k range. They wont sell many of these here! Nice car though if you don't want a Model X.

https://www.autoblog.nl/nieuws/dit-gaat-de-jaguar-i-pace-ongeveer-kosten-105108


Specs are good but they'd need to be for that money!

400 hp, 700 Nm of torque. 543 kilometers range (NEDC), standard four-wheel drive, a 90 kWh battery and a sprint to one hundred in four seconds. The first customers drive in their I-PACE in the summer of 2018.

bp_me

KCross wrote: »

Long term, when "everyone" is driving EV's, will it be a more or less dangerous place to be involved in a car crash solely based on the increased weights?

I mean, trying to stop a 2 ton car at 100kmh and an "equivalent" ICE cant be the same.

Or is it safer because there is more mass to absorb the shock?

Kinetic energy is (1/2)mv^2. It's the V that gets you (all things being equal)!

Shefwedfan

KCross wrote: »

Looks like its €80k+ in this Dutch article. I can only assume it would be more expensive here when the revenue stick their VRT on it and thats for the entry level model! :eek:

I thought it might have come in in the €50-60k range. They wont sell many of these here! Nice car though if you don't want a Model X.

https://www.autoblog.nl/nieuws/dit-gaat-de-jaguar-i-pace-ongeveer-kosten-105108


Specs are good but they'd need to be for that money!

400 hp, 700 Nm of torque. 543 kilometers range (NEDC), standard four-wheel drive, a 90 kWh battery and a sprint to one hundred in four seconds. The first customers drive in their I-PACE in the summer of 2018.

Crap, I was just looking at the cars coming out next year and was thinking this could be something of interest....not at that money

For that money I would throw a few quid more and get the Q7 Hybrid....

Oafley Jones

KCross wrote: »

Looks like its €80k+ in this Dutch article. I can only assume it would be more expensive here when the revenue stick their VRT on it and thats for the entry level model! :eek:

I thought it might have come in in the €50-60k range. They wont sell many of these here! Nice car though if you don't want a Model X.

https://www.autoblog.nl/nieuws/dit-gaat-de-jaguar-i-pace-ongeveer-kosten-105108


Specs are good but they'd need to be for that money!

400 hp, 700 Nm of torque. 543 kilometers range (NEDC), standard four-wheel drive, a 90 kWh battery and a sprint to one hundred in four seconds. The first customers drive in their I-PACE in the summer of 2018.

It was never going to be anywhere near that cheap. You’re talking a ****e spec, low powered f pace for that money.

KCross

Oafley Jones wrote: »

It was never going to be anywhere near that cheap. You’re talking a ****e spec, low powered f pace for that money.

Jag said initially it was going to be about 20% more than an F-Pace (€50k) which is why I thought <€60k.

It's a long way up to €80k and beyond for an entry level iPace.

Will it be worth that?

650Ginge

Dardania wrote: »

Might weigh a ton...

3 tonnes....:-)

Oafley Jones

KCross wrote: »

Jag said initially it was going to be about 20% more than an F-Pace (€50k) which is why I thought <€60k.

It's a long way up to €80k and beyond for an entry level iPace.

Will it be worth that?

Did they say entry level f pace or similarly powered f pace?

Shefwedfan

KCross wrote: »

Will it be worth that?

No

cros13

They are only planning to produce 12,000 a year. They'll sell out at any price below €120k.

KCross

cros13 wrote: »

They are only planning to produce 12,000 a year. They'll sell out at any price below €120k.

That would explain it.

Putting it side by side with a Model X, will it compete?

Is it a fair assumption that the Jag will be better built but it probably wont drive any better and probably wont have the toys/gadgets of a Model X?

Oafley Jones

KCross wrote: »

That would explain it.

Putting it side by side with a Model X, will it compete?

Is it a fair assumption that the Jag will be better built but it probably wont drive any better and probably wont have the toys/gadgets of a Model X?

If it’s f pace sized, it’s a much smaller car.

thierry14

KCross wrote: »

That would explain it.

Putting it side by side with a Model X, will it compete?

Is it a fair assumption that the Jag will be better built but it probably wont drive any better and probably wont have the toys/gadgets of a Model X?

I'm a Tesla fan but I would take the Jag

Will be much better built and it's just as powerful compared to base Model X

Tesla should really make hay now

When the big boys offer similar spec'd EV's at same price, they are in trouble

Tesla are good for a long while though, big boys have no batteries and that aint changing soon

Some idiots when you think about it

KCross

thierry14 wrote: »

I'm a Tesla fan but I would take the Jag

Will be much better built and it's just as powerful compared to base Model X

Tesla should really make hay now

When the big boys offer similar spec'd EV's at same price, they are in trouble

Tesla are good for a long while though, big boys have no batteries and that aint changing soon

Some idiots when you think about it

If I had €100k to burn on a car and I was choosing between Model X and iPace I think I might pick the iPace too... just on the look of it.

Model X has some advantages though...
- The Model X has more capability (e.g. 5,6 or 7 seat config as required).
- I think the Model X does have more power, doesn't it? 100hp or so?
- Model X is a good bit bigger so presumably more comfortable inside:

iPace: 4680mm(l) x 1560mm(h) x 1890mm(w)
Model X: 5052x 1684 x 2272

- Access to supercharger network at much higher speeds(120kW) than iPace(50kW?)
- Over the air software updates

Cons for Tesla... reliability on the X is only so so, but maybe a new one rolling off todays line is good. You'd have to expect Jag to get this bit right.

Now that I see it written down maybe the Model X is better!

goz83

The Jag is indeed a competitor but will mostly attract badge snobbery. The Model X is better all round and the legacy build issues have been ironed out at thus stage I’m sure.

For me, the space and all those seats would be a big bonus in the X. I would love one. And those doors

rocky

Looks like a sponsored video and the acting is atrocious,
I-Pace vs Model X 75D and 100D drag race

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX2rDCYoLeo

slave1

Was taking her handy yesterday on the M6 around 110 and an I-PACE soared by on the outside lane, first one to see in the wild and my word it looks superb

spyderski

slave1 wrote: »

Was taking her handy yesterday on the M6 around 110 and an I-PACE soared by on the outside lane, first one to see in the wild and my word it looks superb

Meant to post last week - saw one on trade plates in Sandyford. Nice looking machine alright.

RedorDead

Only one registered so far so you've both seen the same car. Whomper spec launch edition by Jaguar Ireland i bet.

Soarer

Some offer in the UK to lease one (from HUKD).

i-Pace Offer.

Jaguar I-PACE SUV 0.0 Electric 90kWh 400 S 5Dr Auto (base spec)
Initial payment of £3097.98 plus £360 processing fee
17 monthly payments of £344.22
18 months total
5,000 miles a year
Total rental £9309.72 Inc vat


P11D £63,495
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Top Speed: 125 mph
Brake Horse Power: 400 bhp
0-60 mph: 4.8 secs
WLPT range: 292 miles

ted1

Just 20gbp per day to rent. Would work well as a taxi or commercial rental

Although the 5k miles limits it ad it’s 80 pence per mile

Ryath

Just had one as a rental this week very impressed by it.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110376685&postcount=16

Surprised to see they've actually sold 28 of them this year here.

https://stats.beepbeep.ie/

Petetheroadie

Ryath wrote: »

Just had one as a rental this week very impressed by it.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110376685&postcount=16

Surprised to see they've actually sold 28 of them this year here.

https://stats.beepbeep.ie/

Where did you rent it from?

Ryath

Petetheroadie wrote: »

Where did you rent it from?

It was in the post I linked to.

Sixt Netherlands.

https://www.sixt.nl/jaguar-huren/i-pace/