Technically Hillary Clinton could still be elected President.

Rainman16

On December 19, The Electors of the Electoral College will meet and cast their ballots for the next President of the United States.

If they all vote the way their states voted, Donald Trump will win.
However, they have the right to vote anyway they want, for Hillary Clinton if they choose.

The Electors can ignore their states' votes and cast their own ballots for Hillary Clinton.

Hillary won the popular vote. The only reason Trump "won" is because of the Electoral College.

It has never been done before, It is unprecedented. But so is the outcome of this election

There is currently a petition on Change.org with close to 3 million signatures of people urging the members of the Electoral College to do the right thing. On December 19th, they can save Americans from themselves.

godtabh

Yeah that's not going to happen.

In the same way Trump was not worried about his nomination and how the party could have blocked it he isnt worried about this.

keano25

Yawn.

StupidLikeAFox

They have already started the transition - hillary has conceded, obama is talking in conciliatory tones - there is no political will for this to happen

Donal55

Rainman16 wrote: »

On December 19, The Electors of the Electoral College will meet and cast their ballots for the next President of the United States.

If they all vote the way their states voted, Donald Trump will win.
However, they have the right to vote anyway they want, for Hillary Clinton if they choose.

The Electors can ignore their states' votes and cast their own ballots for Hillary Clinton.

Hillary won the popular vote. The only reason Trump "won" is because of the Electoral College.

It has never been done before, It is unprecedented. But so is the outcome of this election

There is currently a petition on Change.org with close to 3 million signatures of people urging the members of the Electoral College to do the right thing. On December 19th they can save Americans from themselves.

So democracy for the little darlings means running to change. org every time a vote goes against them.
Gobsh1tes the lot of them.

Hank Scorpio

Electoral college to "Do the right thing".

Rainman16

godtabh wrote: »

Yeah that's not going to happen.

In the same way Trump was no worried about his nomination and who the party could have blocked it he isn't worried about this.

Probably not. But the possibility exists where the electors can effectively overwrite their state vote. Goes to show you how much of a myth democracy really is.

Rainman16

Donal55 wrote: »

So democracy for the little darlings means running to change. org every time a vote goes against them.
Gobsh1tes the lot of them.

Apparently only 16% of the 18 - 29 year old demographic actually voted.

Donal55

Rainman16 wrote: »

Apparently only 16% of the 18 - 29 year old demographic actually voted.

Same thing happened with Brexit. Then they cry foul when the oldies cast their votes.

johnnyskeleton

Mod note:

Leaving this thread open for the moment. The OP has been answered but there might be some debate on the whole "do the right thing element"

As far as i know, there have been turned or a "faithless elector", but these are rare occurences and with over 70 electors in the difference this wold require a significant loss of faith. Not exactly democratic!

martingriff

The Electoral College will vote as they have been told to by the people. There would be a crap storm (and rightfully so) if they did not. Trump is president he wanted to be elected so said what would get him elected. The only thing that could (and probably is happening) is those who are idiots will not think its acceptable to be racist etc because they saw he was. This will be something that has to be tackled quick by the Republican Party (as they were his nomination) and Trump himself

Rainman16

The electoral collage is such a ridiculous system, The fact that the people aren't actually voting for the president directly, but voting for "electors" to make the actual vote for them, and that it's actually possible that these electors can turn around and vote for whoever they want is so bizarre.

Would it be the right thing to do? That's up for debate.

But the fact that its even a possibility is strange, The reason it is, must be as a fail-safe measure to protect Americans from themselves.

Hank Scorpio

Rainman16 wrote: »

The electoral collage is such a ridiculous system, The fact that the people aren't actually voting for the president directly, but voting for "electors" to make the actual vote for them, and that it's actually possible that these electors can turn around and vote for whoever they want is so bizarre.

Would it be the right thing to do? That's up for debate.

But the fact that its even a possibility is strange, The reason it is, must be as a fail-safe measure to protect Americans from themselves.

I agree the system isn't perfect, but he won fair and square.

If you want a real revolution every American better hope the result isn't changed, because that's what I fear with happen.

Varik

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

I agree the system isn't perfect, but he won fair and square.

If you want a real revolution every American better hope the result isn't changed, because that's what I fear with happen.

If the UK back tracked on Brexit there might be a riot, if the US did it it'd be civil war.

martingriff

Rainman16 wrote: »

The electoral collage is such a ridiculous system, The fact that the people aren't actually voting for the president directly, but voting for "electors" to make the actual vote for them, and that it's actually possible that these electors can turn around and vote for whoever they want is so bizarre.

Would it be the right thing to do? That's up for debate.

But the fact that its even a possibility is strange, The reason it is, must be as a fail-safe measure to protect Americans from themselves.

When amendment made in constitution they did not foresee something like that (Second amendment anybody)

Rainman16

Looking into the ramifications for electors who go against the grain on this one is actually quite small, the only penalty is a relatively small fine. Electors are also ironically un-elected officials who don't rely on popular opinion to maintain their position in society.

As well as Democratic electors there are also Republican "Never Trumpers" ( Like the Bush family) who apparently left their voting ballots blank. I wonder just how many republicans are as disgusted seeing what Trump has done to their political party.

FatherTed

Actually it's up to the States to decide how they will use their Electoral votes.

Also there is the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact where so far 11 states have passed legislation to award all their respective electoral votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the overall popular vote e.g. if Trump had won, the likes of CA and NY would have actually committed their Electoral Votes to him. I think this came about after 2000 with a similar outcome. Not surprisingly, these 11 states are all heavily Democratic.

About the Electoral College, I understand how it works and the original intent but does disenfranchise voters somewhat in larger populated states e.g. in NY it is 700,000 people per 1 vote as opposed to WY where it is 180,000 per vote. Also, in states that are heavily blue or red, some people will not bother voting as they know it won't be close anyway.

The EC also forces candidates to focus disproportionately on a small percentage of pivotal swing states, while sidelining the rest e.g. neither candidate visited California(except to fundraise) in the run up to the election.

BoJack Horseman

I suppose a petition is better than the 'Snowflake Rebellion' burning cars & smashing businesses in Oakland the last few nights.

Scenes not seen in this city since last Sunday when the Raiders beat Denver....

Rainman16

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

I suppose a petition is better than the 'Snowflake Rebellion' burning cars & smashing businesses in Oakland the last few nights.

Scenes not seen in this city since last Sunday when the Raiders beat Denver....

I wonder how many of these protesters actually voted.

Statistically 74% of 18 to 29 years old's didn't even vote

In my opinion, If you didn't vote in an election, you don't have a right to protest the outcome.

johnnyskeleton

Rainman16 wrote: »

In my opinion, If you didn't vote in an election, you don't have a right to protest the outcome.

Arguably even if you did vote in an election you still don't have a right to protest the outcome. Protest should be reserved for matters that are undemocratic. This is made all the worse in that as far as I know the US has fairly liberal absentee voting systems for students in college in a different State etc.

Equally, however, just because someone didn't vote doesn't, in my view, deprive them of a right to voice their opinions. So they are entitled to express their dissappointment, just not to disrupt other people by doing so!

Hank Scorpio

If it gets rough and the water cannons come out it will end pretty quickly. Most of these people protesting are kids who've been badly misguided.

BoJack Horseman

Rainman16 wrote: »

you don't have a right to protest the outcome.

Meh.... the flakes can protest all they want.
There doesn't have to be qualifiers in that sense.

All the flag-burning & car smashing just makes them look all the more anti-democratic in the eyes of the world.

But yes.... turnout is really poor.
Elections are won by those who turn up.
They just need to summon the will to leave their safe-spaces and the country is theirs!

martingriff

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Meh.... the flakes can protest all they want.

It makes them look all the more anti-democratic in the eyes of the world.

But yes.... turnout is really poor.
Elections are won by those who turn up.
They just need to summon the will to leave their safe-spaces and the country is theirs!

Sweet Jesus I would wish these phrases never came in to been and it make the person who says the sound like quiet a d1ck.

Looting and calling in to question a democratic vote is wrong. Protesting because you feel people may now feel they are able to be racist homophobic etc I am for

Hank Scorpio

martingriff wrote: »

Sweet Jesus I would wish these phrases never came in to been and it make the person who says the sound like quiet a d1ck.

Looting and calling in to question a democratic vote is wrong. Protesting because you feel people may now feel they are able to be racist homophobic etc I am for

A mindset which was magnified and presented by the corrupt media. Trump isn't the only one to blame here, faults lie on both sides.

martingriff

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

A mindset which was magnified and presented by the corrupt media. Trump isn't the only one to blame here, faults lie on both sides.

I agree

osmiumartist

Technically Trump could get every last electoral vote. It's only in the leftie bubble that everybody wants to "fix" the system in favour of Clinton.

Varik

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Meh.... the flakes can protest all they want.
There doesn't have to be qualifiers in that sense.

All the flag-burning & car smashing just makes them look all the more anti-democratic in the eyes of the world.

But yes.... turnout is really poor.
Elections are won by those who turn up.
They just need to summon the will to leave their safe-spaces and the country is theirs!

Those stats were very interesting, especially the turnout results.

Not sure it'll be a big shift as time goes on, the age bracket was 18-29 so unless it was very low for 18 to 24 and those old enough to know better did show up I doubt this change anything. wasn't even the 65+ who were the largest turnout, it was the 30-44 year olds.

Also interesting about the education levels of those who voted, more college graduates voted clinton and more none graduates voted Trump but they weren't huge differences (fifties for one and forties for the other).

martingriff wrote: »

When amendment made in constitution they did not foresee something like that (Second amendment anybody)

Government overstep, and generally tyranny was the point.

LeinsterDub

Alot of the states have laws against faithless electors.

osmiumartist

martingriff wrote: »

Protesting because you feel people may now feel they are able to be racist homophobic etc I am for

So just to be clear here, actually smashing stuff up is OK as long as you are protesting against possible violence?

uck51js9zml2yt

Is it really any different to our PR system.
Not all the votes are counted after the first count, only a proportion of them.
A different pile could lead to a different result.
All the nominees sign up to it as do the American nominees to their system.

alastair

osmiumartist wrote: »

Technically Trump could get every last electoral vote. It's only in the leftie bubble that everybody wants to "fix" the system in favour of Clinton.

I think the people advocating faithless voters' change are well aware of that. They're making their case on behalf of Clinton though, so will hardly be lobbying voters already committed to Clinton. That's nothing to do with 'bubbles' of any kind.