So then... Light gun games....

CiDeRmAn

So, best of them, worst of them?
Stories of great home conversions, lousy ones.
Great experiences with arcade titles.
Electro mechanical machines waaaaaay back in the day.
Digital splendor in the 90's

And, remember, try not to suffer, like G did!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1LzruO-eUU

o1s1n

Time Crisis is my favourite I reckon. It was mind blowing when the PS1 port came out as I'd be throwing so much money into it in the arcade. Was such a great port.

CiDeRmAn

Being brave and using controller 2 as a foot pedal.

o1s1n

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Being brave and using controller 2 as a foot pedal.

Sony really should have included a pedal with that Gcon.

Wouldnt have been expensive to manufacture and would have added so much to the experience.

I had a 3rd party recoiling gun and pedal but it just didn't feel as accurate as a proper Namco Gcon.

CiDeRmAn

Given that it's a simple, sprung foot switch, and could have been cheap, cheerful and made a great game a must have.
Even as is, it was a light gun game that everyone with a PS went out and bought, well, many at least.
I don't think we've seen such an uptake for a light gun title on any other system, maybe Virtua Cop, as a percentage of the user base but I'm hard pressed to think of another.

Corholio

Was in White Water Shopping Centre in Newbridge yesterday and they had an Aliens Armageddon cab. I've never been in White Water before so it could have always been there, just never saw that one anywhere else here.

CiDeRmAn

How does it play, as in, is it any good??

o1s1n

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I don't think we've seen such an uptake for a light gun title on any other system, maybe Virtua Cop, as a percentage of the user base but I'm hard pressed to think of another.

I'd say HOTD2 would have seen a similarly large userbase on the Dreamcast.

Die Hard Trilogy maybe? Although I'm fairly sure most people didn't have a Predator light gun!

Duck Hunt was also fairly huge but I'm not sure if that counts given it was a pack in title with the console.

Corholio

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

How does it play, as in, is it any good??

It's a pretty solid shooter, impressed by the length of it. I wasn't there long enough to finish it but was there a good while and there seemed to be plenty left in the game. Nice mix of enemies as well, even a huge Alien which I know Alien purists may not be happy about it :P

CiDeRmAn

Duck Hunt is a stone cold classic, as a pack in with Super Mario Bros it was great value for the NES owner, and the Master System didn't really have a reply, did it?
I know it had a light gun of it's own, the Phazer, I have one somewhere, but I can't think of a game to play with it.

The poor MD and Snes had their official guns, but Konami did it so much better with the Justifier and Lethal Enforcers.

Die Hard Trilogy was pretty huge, and Die Hard 2 was the only section I enjoyed, and the light gun support was good, many people owned a supported one.
It just moved more like a big, brash US light gun shooter, sort of thing you'd expect from Midway, rather than the more measured VC2.

The king of all shooters is Big Buck Hunter HD.
its also in the WhiteWater arcade.

Big guns and babes with big guns .......

CiDeRmAn

I take it that gender quotas and dignity at work policys are unknown at this particular park....

Corholio

Ha I saw that as well in White Water.

I felt I'd be judged better playing the Aliens one :P

o1s1n

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I take it that gender quotas and dignity at work policys are unknown at this particular park....

Look to me like they've hit their gender quota, only works one way :pac:

So much cringe. I'd be mortified playing that.

CiDeRmAn

I suspect it's popular amongst a certain Republican leader's supporters... no... not Gerry Adams....

mdwexford

Virtua Cop was my ultimate, was blown away when I bought my Saturn and got it.

Always enjoyed Point Blank on the ps1 as well.

johnny_ultimate

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I suspect it's popular amongst a certain Republican leader's supporters... no... not Gerry Adams....

Michéal Martin? :pac:

BBH HD actually has great gameplay,
the guns are super responsive .
Someday I'll own one

DinoRex

I always loved Space Gun. It took the Operation Wolf formula and perfected it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br_meKpLUfY

Retr0gamer

Would love to give that Aliens game a go. It's made by Raw Thrill's, Eugene Jarvis's company so it's probably all kinds of bonkers.

Speaking of Jarvis I should pick up Target Terror on the Wii at some point. Looks like a stupid over the top shooter and a call back to Lethal Enforcers.

riffmongous

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

So, best of them, worst of them?
Stories of great home conversions, lousy ones.
Great experiences with arcade titles.
Electro mechanical machines waaaaaay back in the day.
Digital splendor in the 90's

And, remember, try not to suffer, like G did!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1LzruO-eUU

G's bloodstains!

Ha, I still use those quotes all the time with my friends I loved Die Hard 2, it had a great action feel to it

o1s1n

DinoRex wrote: »

I always loved Space Gun. It took the Operation Wolf formula and perfected it.

I always forget about that game, they had it in Bray Bowl. Used to love it.

Alien 3: The Gun was another one in a similar vein. Can barely remember that one, only ever played it the once in Disneyland Paris when I was a young 'un.

Steve X2

I play Point Blank at least once a week at home. When I'm working in the garage I always power that and Ridge Racer up for a bit of background noise and end up playing more than working

The thing is, i never really rated Point Blank back in the day (arcade or PS), but now I love the thing.

CiDeRmAn

I have Point Blank and it's sequels on the PS and the NTSC/J compilation for the PS2, lots of fun.
Then there was the spin off title Ghoul Panic, have that somewhere too.

The DS port of Point Blank, I seem to remember poor reviews at the time but, having played it, it's still a bit of craic, although there's no aiming skill, obviously.

Star Lord

They have Aliens Armageddon out in the bowling alley/arcade place in Celbridge too, BASE. Played it with my brother. Thought it was OK, but too many of those moments when there's a quick camera pivot and an Alien about to rip your face off, and difficult to get the shot off without getting hit. Those kind of cheap moments detracted from it for me, (and the aforementioned giant alien!) but it was not bad!

Bluethunder89

o1s1n wrote: »

Time Crisis is my favourite I reckon. It was mind blowing when the PS1 port came out as I'd be throwing so much money into it in the arcade. Was such a great port.

Yeah I'm with you on Time Crisis, completely forgot about that! Think I'm gonna have to have a look in the attic later see if I can get my hands on it

o1s1n

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I have Point Blank and it's sequels on the PS and the NTSC/J compilation for the PS2, lots of fun.
Then there was the spin off title Ghoul Panic, have that somewhere too.

The DS port of Point Blank, I seem to remember poor reviews at the time but, having played it, it's still a bit of craic, although there's no aiming skill, obviously.

I'm surprised that Gunvari collection didn't get a Western release given it had Time Crisis on it too.

Any idea if they did a visual upgrade on Time Crisis (similar to the PS2 TC2) or is it an unmolested PS1 version?

CiDeRmAn

What was the story with House of the Dead 2 on the Dreamcast, was there a way to get red blood?
I have the original on the Saturn and it's red blood all over the place, but somehow censored in the Dreamcast port.
I can't say I recall what the port to the Wii had going on though.

CiDeRmAn

o1s1n wrote: »

I'm surprised that Gunvari collection didn't get a Western release given it had Time Crisis on it too.

Any idea if they did a visual upgrade on Time Crisis (similar to the PS2 TC2) or is it an unmolested PS1 version?

I'll have to check, if I forget you can have a crack at it at the Christmas Beers, my gut says it's the PS original though

Edit: Yea, just did a side by side of some youtube videos and the collection contains PS ports, which is a pity.
The Sega collections for the PS ported titles from the Saturn but never failed to update them, as in Panzer Dragoon and Nights, and up to the arcade standard in the case of Sega Rally.
Opportunity missed I guess, but then Time Crisis was added as a bonus more than anything, so it's unsurprising they didn't do much to it.

Steve X2

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

What was the story with House of the Dead 2 on the Dreamcast, was there a way to get red blood?
I have the original on the Saturn and it's red blood all over the place, but somehow censored in the Dreamcast port.
I can't say I recall what the port to the Wii had going on though.

Beat the game and a red blood option becomes available.

CiDeRmAn

That explains why I've never seen it!

o1s1n

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I'll have to check, if I forget you can have a crack at it at the Christmas Beers, my gut says it's the PS original though

Edit: Yea, just did a side by side of some youtube videos and the collection contains PS ports, which is a pity.
The Sega collections for the PS ported titles from the Saturn but never failed to update them, as in Panzer Dragoon and Nights, and up to the arcade standard in the case of Sega Rally.
Opportunity missed I guess, but then Time Crisis was added as a bonus more than anything, so it's unsurprising they didn't do much to it.

Actually if anything, the visual enhancement of Time Crisis 2 is the oddity, I guess it was 4 or so years old by the time the PS2 came out! Needed a bit of extra polish.

Steve X2 wrote: »

Beat the game and a red blood option becomes available.

I'd usually fairly handy at lightgun games but did find HOTD 2 to be quite tricky towards the end.

The last boss is less about shooting skill and more about inducing RSI. I remember actually roaring at the TV in pain just towards the end as I was so set on unlocking the red blood.

the groutch

Steve X2 wrote: »

I play Point Blank at least once a week at home. When I'm working in the garage I always power that and Ridge Racer up for a bit of background noise and end up playing more than working

The thing is, i never really rated Point Blank back in the day (arcade or PS), but now I love the thing.

Pretty sure it was Bray Bowl I used to play it in, it's one of those games that was more enjoyable in the arcade, the fear of having to stick in another 20p if you missed that apple off the head or whatever made it what it was.

Also great was Time Crisis 2 in the arcades.

And despite the failure of the Menacer, it's one saving grace was Ready Aim Tomatoes.

Mr.Saturn

Beat HotD 2 in the arcade a couple of times (co-op, natch). One of the things you'd miss most about arcades is when the crowd builds around you as you get through the game and people go mental when you clock it.

Remember HotD 2 had this fantastic imposing atmosphere, keeping you all on your seat and whatnot, but then I got it home and, without the buzzing sound of an arcade, discovered it had some of the worst VO work ever. I know it's gone into "so bad, it's good" territory for a lot of people, but the guy that does Goldman annoys the hole off me. Especially that bit where he does "we must protect the life cycle" and just leans into the line like he's coming off his moped in the middle of a conversation.

The beleaguered PS Move houses a few solid light-gun titles. HotD 4, the last couple Time Crisis games and Deadstorm Pirates, the latter of which is all the mental you'd need.

Skerries

I remember this game in the arcades

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn7mu9N6ov4

o1s1n

the groutch wrote: »

Pretty sure it was Bray Bowl I used to play it in, it's one of those games that was more enjoyable in the arcade, the fear of having to stick in another 20p if you missed that apple off the head or whatever made it what it was.

Also great was Time Crisis 2 in the arcades.

And despite the failure of the Menacer, it's one saving grace was Ready Aim Tomatoes.

Yeah Bray bowl had one of those big hefty Point Blank cabinets. Was one of the first machines you saw when you walked passed the staff counter.

Around that time I'd have been spending all my money on Time Crisis 2 instead

The addition of a second player was great fun.

Actually, has anyone ever tried linking up two PS2s/TVs at home for Time Crisis 2?

Stoner

Steve X2 wrote:

The thing is, i never really rated Point Blank back in the day (arcade or PS), but now I love the thing.

I loved it. Great game for playing both guns too. It was in the century place always good for games before the flicks.
Very competitive in two player

Time crisis I agree poxy without the foot pedal which was a pity as it played well.