Foynes the Brexit Rotterdam?

ClovenHoof

I can't understand how the Government can be serious about this. For starters, how would the freight get from mainland Europe to Foynes so it can he shipped to the Americans?

Why not just open up another port in Europe to take the strain off Rotterdam? How is Foynes the only option available between Denmark and Portugal when it has a crap road, no rail connection and is hundreds of miles from continental Europe?

I see no advantage.

Del.Monte

Where did you hear this?

ClovenHoof

In was in the Indo today.

Infini

To be honest Foynes DOES have a disused Rail line that could be put back into service if the investment was there.

BsBox

My guess it that freight from Europe would be shipped to Foynes, and then loaded onto another ship to bring it to the US. I highly doubt they'd try and bring the cargo into Dublin and get it to Foynes over road/rail.
There doesn't seem to be much info on it at the moment though, with Indo being the only source I could find anywhere online.
More than likely just talk, as it doesn't look like there's anything actually happening right now.

elastico

BsBox wrote: »

My guess it that freight from Europe would be shipped to Foynes, and then loaded onto another ship to bring it to the US. I highly doubt they'd try and bring the cargo into Dublin and get it to Foynes over road/rail.
There doesn't seem to be much info on it at the moment though, with Indo being the only source I could find anywhere online.
More than likely just talk, as it doesn't look like there's anything actually happening right now.

Looks like a minister on a solo run. Zero support from anybody in the transport industry from what I can see.

These ministers don't seem to understand that living on an island causes logistical restraints.

If the EU needed a second major hub somewhere like Le Harve would make a lot of sense, this brain fart has no logic at all.

roundymac

Cork would be a better option.

ClovenHoof

roundymac wrote: »

Cork would be a better option.

every port on the Atlantic coast of continental Europe would be a better option.

This idea makes no sense on any level. Global shippers are going to move goods from Europe onto Irish soil and then transport them to Foynes and put them back on a ship again?

Huh!

n97 mini

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-port-to-be-european-shipping-hub-after-brexit-35191563.html

Okon

I read it, but I'll still believe it when I see it!

Would be great if it did happen though...

roundymac

Port of Cork was interested in takeing over the old IFI site in Marino PT. It was going to be developed into a transit hub that was rail connected. It gave the impression that it was going to export only. All of a sudden it was dropped like a hot potatoe. I wonder is this Foynes project further along than we think or is it another bulls**t story that's being fed to the press. Remember the Chinese transit centre near Athlone a couple of years back and currently we have over on Aviation forum "Offaly International Airport.

Grandeeod

This Foynes bolloxology was based on pre-cleared customs to the US. That was its only attractive part. The other logistics were conveniently forgotten.

Grandeeod

roundymac wrote: »

Port of Cork was interested in takeing over the old IFI site in Marino PT. It was going to be developed into a transit hub that was rail connected. It gave the impression that it was going to export only. All of a sudden it was dropped like a hot potatoe. I wonder is this Foynes project further along than we think or is it another bulls**t story that's being fed to the press. Remember the Chinese transit centre near Athlone a couple of years back and currently we have over on Aviation forum "Offaly International Airport.

Don't forget the super port up near Balbriggan either.:D

Fratton Fred

The move would see the port in Limerick developed into a shipping hub to rival Rotterdam Port in Holland, the central destination for European freight companies shipping goods to the US.

do they realise how big Rotterdam actually is?

Irish Steve

What's not been mentioned in among all of this is the possible impact over a long period of time of a change in the availability and price of oil based fuel products, and yes, a significant number of people reading this (like the Healey Rae clan) will switch off now.

Regardless of climate change, which may or may not be a factor, the reserves of heavy oil used to power ships is limited, and at some stage, movement of good by sea will use the shortest possible distance, with high speed electric powered rail becoming the option for moving goods within countries. Companies like Ryanair, Aer Lingus and others will cease to exist, as the price of alternative energy sources will become increasingly prohibitive, unless we are very lucky, and a new energy source with the same power capability as oil is found.

At the same time, we could well also see Ireland linked via the UK to Europe by rail, and while Rotterdam is indeed a very large port, the cost of running a ship to Rotterdam will rise to a point where the cost of using a port in Ireland will make it more attractive, even when the (massive) cost of rail links to and from that port into Europe are taken into consideration.

The present generations can't take this on board at the moment, as we've not seen real shortages of oil, or prohibitive pricing, so we don't believe that long term change of this nature is going to happen. In the same vein, commuting by air around Europe will change, and in many cases will be replaced by air links from places like Shannon to the East Coast of the USA, with internal travel being by high speed rail, or non carbon based road transport.

Or, someone will come up with a fuel system that does not use Oil, and will not have to use an organic based product, as having to choose between growing food to eat or growing crops to produce fuel is likely to cause conflict that puts current problems in the Middle East into the shade.

Our biggest issue on this island will be the parochial and parish pump attitude of politicians, a significant number of whom care nothing for anything that happens after the next election, and even less for things that are outside of their local constituency.

Controversial? Yes, and I've no proof that this will be how it works out, but it looks a lot more likely that the present head in the sand attitude of make more products with shorter service life because of inbuilt obsolescence, and ship those products half way round the world using expensive transportation systems.

ClovenHoof

Peak Oil is a lie to increase prices and climate change is a scam to increase taxation.

Trump will end this nonsense in the USA and the momentum created by the changes there will come to Ireland.

Foynes will continue to be a Mickey mouse port in the middle of nowhere, on an island with declining rail milage.

end of the road

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Peak Oil is a lie to increase prices

the worlds oil reserves aren't going to last forever though, that is a fact and we must get used to it and start preparing for it.

ClovenHoof wrote: »

climate change is a scam to increase taxation.

nope. climate change is very real and they're is plenty of evidence for it. whether it's a natural occurrence or man made, and if man made how much we are to blame, is up for debate but it is happening.

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Trump will end this nonsense in the USA and the momentum created by the changes there will come to Ireland.

yeah i'm sure he will. just another lying politician.

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Foynes will continue to be a Mickey mouse port in the middle of nowhere, on an island with declining rail milage.

correct. they're will be no rail anything to foynes. they might take money from the childrens hospital to built a "moher way begod" to foynes though.

n97 mini

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Peak Oil is a lie to increase prices and climate change is a scam to increase taxation.

With fracking now commonplace (having lived in the US) oil won't run out any time soon. But that's not a reason to not to stop using it, especially diesel, and all the pollution it brings.

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Trump will end this nonsense in the USA and the momentum created by the changes there will come to Ireland.

Maybe he will, but I think Europe is on an unstoppable road to enlightenment, i.e, less burning stuff.

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Foynes will continue to be a Mickey mouse port in the middle of nowhere, on an island with declining rail milage.

Yup.

Isambard

Irish Steve wrote: »

What's not been mentioned in among all of this is the possible impact over a long period of time of a change in the availability and price of oil based fuel products, and yes, a significant number of people reading this (like the Healey Rae clan) will switch off now.

Regardless of climate change, which may or may not be a factor, the reserves of heavy oil used to power ships is limited, and at some stage, movement of good by sea will use the shortest possible distance, with high speed electric powered rail becoming the option for moving goods within countries. Companies like Ryanair, Aer Lingus and others will cease to exist, as the price of alternative energy sources will become increasingly prohibitive, unless we are very lucky, and a new energy source with the same power capability as oil is found.

At the same time, we could well also see Ireland linked via the UK to Europe by rail, and while Rotterdam is indeed a very large port, the cost of running a ship to Rotterdam will rise to a point where the cost of using a port in Ireland will make it more attractive, even when the (massive) cost of rail links to and from that port into Europe are taken into consideration.

The present generations can't take this on board at the moment, as we've not seen real shortages of oil, or prohibitive pricing, so we don't believe that long term change of this nature is going to happen. In the same vein, commuting by air around Europe will change, and in many cases will be replaced by air links from places like Shannon to the East Coast of the USA, with internal travel being by high speed rail, or non carbon based road transport.

Or, someone will come up with a fuel system that does not use Oil, and will not have to use an organic based product, as having to choose between growing food to eat or growing crops to produce fuel is likely to cause conflict that puts current problems in the Middle East into the shade.

Our biggest issue on this island will be the parochial and parish pump attitude of politicians, a significant number of whom care nothing for anything that happens after the next election, and even less for things that are outside of their local constituency.

Controversial? Yes, and I've no proof that this will be how it works out, but it looks a lot more likely that the present head in the sand attitude of make more products with shorter service life because of inbuilt obsolescence, and ship those products half way round the world using expensive transportation systems.

surely the Brexit in the title gives a clue to the projected project? The whole point is to avoid the UK, not to build a trunk line across it for freight, a stonking great bridge and re gauge Irish lines to provide access to what would be a tiny and restricted port.

Come Brexit, Ireland will be an isolated exclave of the EU, not a potential freight hub.