Man & Woman found dead in Mayo

The flying mouse

The bodies of a man and a woman have been found at a house in the village of Irishtown, Co Mayo, along with a second younger man who was injured.

The deceased, who were a married couple, have been named locally as Tom and Kitty Fitzgerald.

Mr Fitzgerald was aged in his 70s and Ms Fitzgerald was in her 60s.

The injured man, believed to be in his late 30s, has been taken to University
Hospital Galway. He sustained serious head injuries.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1101/828428-claremorris/



It has been a very violent day today in Ireland, That's four people murdered. :mad:

delta_bravo

I can read the news too. What's the point of this thread? Obviously this is terrible news but there's hardly anything to discuss.

BorneTobyWilde

Looking like a murder suicide attempt.
Man woman dead and survivor has head injury.

The flying mouse

delta_bravo wrote: »

I can read the news too. What's the point of this thread? Obviously this is terrible news but there's hardly anything to discuss.

listen mate why bother posting in it if your not interested, If no one is interested in it then it will just slowly fade away, no big deal.

catbear

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Looking like a murder suicide attempt.
Man woman dead and survivor has head injury.

I've heard of that scenario a few times. Tragic.

Your Face

Ffs.
More tragedy porn.

delta_bravo

The flying mouse wrote: »

listen mate why bother posting in it if your not interested, If no one is interested in it then it will just slowly fade away, no big deal.

My point is you literally copied an article and added in a few sad faces and a 'ah it's terrible'. If you perhaps wanted to start a discussion on the number of instances of familcide in Ireland or mental health disorders you might have gotten some positive feedback and engagement. However you went down the route of what someone referred to earlier as 'grief porn'.

The flying mouse

delta_bravo wrote: »

My point is you literally copied an article and added in a few sad faces and a 'ah it's terrible'. If you perhaps wanted to start a discussion on the number of instances of familcide in Ireland or mental health disorders you might have gotten some positive feedback and engagement. However you went down the route of what someone referred to earlier as 'grief porn'.

I actually pointed out that there was four murders in Ireland today, but let's forget about the two stabbings, Sure they were probably nobody's or/and deserved it.

Four murders in one day is a lot,but you go ahead on your little crusade there and ignore it.

Robsweezie

Your Face wrote:

Ffs. More tragedy porn.

"Ah sure isn't it awful" on loop.

Arcade_Tryer

Your Face wrote: »

Ffs.
More tragedy porn.

Can never have enough porn.

the impulse to start a thread about a violent incident like this in a very quiet rural town is a lot more comprehensible than the impulse of anyone to burst in typing 'shhhhhh'

Your Face

[Deleted User] wrote: »

the impulse to start a thread about a violent incident like this in a very quiet rural town is a lot more comprehensible than the impulse of anyone to burst in typing 'shhhhhh'

Nobody is saying that.

Ted111

I think we need a national conversation about grief porn.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Grim

Mary63

I suppose we will find out tomorrow it was their son who did it and he will end up in Dundrum mental hospital.

tomwaterford

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Can never have enough porn.

Unless it involves midget grannies?








Sad tale though OP.... Of which is too common in Ireland

NIMAN

tomwaterford wrote: »

Unless it involves midget grannies?








Sad tale though OP.... Of which is too common in Ireland

Is it any more common than any other country?

I would still hazard a guess that Ireland is a relatively safe country compared to most.

Sad story btw, a similar thing happened up here a couple of years ago.

Donal55

Ted111 wrote: »

I think we need a national conversation about grief porn.

Talk to Joe.

tomwaterford

NIMAN wrote: »

Is it any more common than any other country?

I would still hazard a guess that Ireland is a relatively safe country compared to most.

Sad story btw, a similar thing happened up here a couple of years ago.

It seems to be a case every few months of a murder suicide in ireland.....

gramar

A few comments on here that I'm not bothered by but if they were next or near an Anthony Foley thread may god have mercy on you.

seamus

NIMAN wrote: »

Is it any more common than any other country?

I would still hazard a guess that Ireland is a relatively safe country compared to most.

Sad story btw, a similar thing happened up here a couple of years ago.

These kinds of stories are nothing to do with safety. Usually it's a child (almost always male) who's been struggling with mental illness for many years and may or may not have been abused by his parents, or at the very least has not been well assisted by his parents.
Stories will abound about them being a lovely family with no apparent issues - they always are.

The murderer's final act is one of anger where they take their own life and their parents'.

It's a common struggle tbh - parents find it very difficult to compartmentalise feelings about their children and accept when things are not "normal" and outside assistance is required. Instead they try to "fix" it themselves. In the case of a mentally ill person, this may lead to direct conflict between the parent and child and a breakdown in the relationship.
After years of the parents trying to "do what's right" for their child, they've accidentally become a pseudo prison officer in their own home and the mentally ill child's condition has continually worsened without professional help. To the point where things like this happen.

I doubt it is just an Irish thing, though we are incredibly slow in this country to even dare suggest that a child may need help. Even nurses and doctors are very slow to say anything. A relative of my wife has a child who is on the spectrum, everyone's pretty sure of it. But no-one would even dare suggest they go get him assessed, lest the family get upset and stop talking to them.

Mena Mitty

Thank you Seamus for saying what a lot of people are thinking.

tomofson

When I first seen this story I thought it was another tragic incident like the two brothers in Dublin a few weeks ago, It is disgusting known these people died violently.

midnight city

Ted111 wrote: »

I think we need a national conversation about grief porn.

What grief porn? Most people reading this will not be in grief, they don't know the people. They may be shocked. They may be interested in what happened. That's the human condition, we are curious, nosey even. But if you aren't interested then don't waste your time in threads like this.

Mary63

I would say it was the DRINK,its always the drink.

There is a Gin thread here but I can't find it.Where would it be.Someone posted a pic of nice Gin glasses and I want to buy them.

JP Liz V1

Mary63 wrote: »

I suppose we will find out tomorrow it was their son who did it and he will end up in Dundrum mental hospital.

Could he have inflicted that type of head wound to himself?

Mary63

He is in Beaumont so it must have been a serious head wound.

Its possible and very likely.There seems to have been a lot of these cases over the past number of years and its always adult sons and not adult daughters.

Bicky bicky

Mary63 wrote: »

He is in Beaumont so it must have been a serious head wound.

Its possible and very likely.There seems to have been a lot of these cases over the past number of years and its always adult sons and not adult daughters.

It's reported it was the father!

bobmalooka

Bicky bicky wrote: »

It's reported it was the father!

I haven't seen that reported anywhere, what was reported?

Kristopherus

Bicky bicky wrote: »

It's reported it was the father!

Source, please.

Bicky bicky

http://www.thesun.ie/irishsol/homepage/news/7256174/Rural-OAP-may-have-murdered-wife-and-almost-killed-son-before-suicide.html

Am waiting for a bashing because it's the sun!

kittensmittens

If it turns out as reported above, brings even more relevance, weight and bearing back to the much discussed "Cavan Case"

05eaftqbrs9jlh

That's basically a synonym for one side of the Citizens' Forum on Abortion. Let's have a referendum on that entire grief circus.

I, for one, am as cripplingly devastated as I always am when I hear about murders and suicides or both. I can't listen to the radio anymore because one morning it came on in the car really loud and the first thing I heard that day was the word "DEAD" at full volume. Even I hear it, I just start to think about how those people are just like the people I know and they have people like me who are crying and someday it'll be somebody I know...

It's just like the news in America, the larger the population gets the statistically more likely these things are to happen and as society larger it gets gets more distant and shallow and people want to be entertained in this perverse, morbid way. Older people are always sending me rip.ie links about people I MIGHT know, just in case I'd like a free pass to be miserable. I think we'd all do well to try not to be so preoccupied by death.

Just scrolled back up and saw it's reported that it was the father. Does that make it the second Irish man who has killed his wife and child this year? I hope we're not going to go the way of Argentina and have women being killed by their partners like clay pigeons. If I were a fly on the wall in those situations I'd love to bate in the head of the cowardly shjtbag who needs to take the life of somebody else who they are supposed to love and protect. I think that's the only situation I'd actually be able to commit murder or at least GBH.

The flying mouse

And there I was having the son guilty of the horrendous crime ,not knowing the full facts, my apologies for jumping to the wrong conclusions as we just don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

eviltwin

I'm sure everyone was thinking the son was responsible. The survivor usually is. I feel terrible for him that people were so quick to judge him. I hope he recovers. What a horrible tragedy and one that is becoming all too familiar.

Mary63

I jumped to the conclusion that it was the son too but in fairness we have had so many cases lately of adult sons murdering their parents.

I see this dead pensioner is being described as a GAA stalwart and pillar of the community too.Where did I read that before.

The son was adopted.

Shurimgreat

The tributes to the father will ring very hollow now if it turns out he was responsible. As other posters have said, we never know what happens behind closed doors, and many street angels can be complete pr*cks at home.

Your Face

Everybody's climbing up on the fence now.

05eaftqbrs9jlh

Mary63 wrote:

The son was adopted.

I know three different people who are adopted and they themselves have serious psychological issues stemming from abandonment and the other traumas which are synonymous with adoption...

But their parents are another calibre of f'ed up. Not being able to have kids is unacceptable to some people and they'll do anything without thinking about the long term ramifications. This results in many adopted children growing up to realise their guardian doesn't actually love them unconditionally, sometimes at all. When you're an adult and your adopted parents forfeit, you're essentially just a person falling out with somebody who doesn't have that blood connection and two of the three adopted people I know are on very bad terms with their adopted parents.

What kind of person takes in a child, raises them and eventually resents and casts them out? Attempts to murder them? What kind of sociopath is he?

Mary63

I know a good number of people who were adopted and many have suffered a lot of damage as a result of feeling abandoned.

This seems to be something that is never spoken about,its as if the adopted person is supposed to be grateful at having found a home.

The sadness of some of the stories I have been told is unreal and I admire these people so much.They are all really good parents themselves and when you think its not until their first child is born that they know someone genetically related to them.

catbear

I jumped to conclusions too.

Talon Better Roofing

Talon Better Roofing wrote: »

I know three different people who are adopted and they themselves have serious psychological issues stemming from abandonment and the other traumas which are synonymous with adoption...

But their parents are another calibre of f'ed up. Not being able to have kids is unacceptable to some people and they'll do anything without thinking about the long term ramifications. This results in many adopted children growing up to realise their guardian doesn't actually love them unconditionally, sometimes at all.

A friend of mine adopted 3 children. And it's just about the happiest family you could hope to see. They've been very open and honest with their kids, the love and pride they have for the 3 is a sight to behold.

I fully appreciate there are a lot of cases where the children have suffered trauma themselves and have feelings of abandonment. But there is no need for a blood bond for love to exist, take the love between a couple, and conversely the presence of a blood bond has been no obstacle to hatred and murder. I certainly would not jump to the conclusion that adoption was the issue here.

Kristopherus

Talon Better Roofing wrote: »

I know three different people who are adopted and they themselves have serious psychological issues stemming from abandonment and the other traumas which are synonymous with adoption...

But their parents are another calibre of f'ed up. Not being able to have kids is unacceptable to some people and they'll do anything without thinking about the long term ramifications. This results in many adopted children growing up to realise their guardian doesn't actually love them unconditionally, sometimes at all. When you're an adult and your adopted parents forfeit, you're essentially just a person falling out with somebody who doesn't have that blood connection and two of the three adopted people I know are on very bad terms with their adopted parents.

What kind of person takes in a child, raises them and eventually resents and casts them out? Attempts to murder them? What kind of sociopath is he?

Mary63 wrote: »

I know a good number of people who were adopted and many have suffered a lot of damage as a result of feeling abandoned.

This seems to be something that is never spoken about,its as if the adopted person is supposed to be grateful at having found a home.

The sadness of some of the stories I have been told is unreal and I admire these people so much.They are all really good parents themselves and when you think its not until their first child is born that they know someone genetically related to them.

And there are thousands upon thousands of adopted children who had the happiest of lives.

idunno78

I think most people would have jumped to the wrong conclusion in this. The way it was reported really make out it was the third person/son that did it. Terrible, things like this should be handled much more careful by the media in the early days. How anyone can do that to their wife let alone child il never understand.

zeroliner

Mental Illness is so prevalent in Ireland, and even harder to deal with in rural areas. What can be done?

fryup

idunno78 wrote: »

I think most people would have jumped to the wrong conclusion in this. The way it was reported really make out it was the third person/son that did it. Terrible, things like this should be handled much more careful by the media in the early days. How anyone can do that to their wife let alone child il never understand.

well in fairness the media didn't imply anything they just reported who died and who was injured

but unfortunately in this cynical age..people put 2 + 2 together and come up with 6

Mortpourvelo

I just hope to God we don't have ANOTHER situation where the murderer and their victims are sharing a funeral and burial.

Says a lot about how seriously we take murder here.

tomofson

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

I just hope to God we don't have ANOTHER situation where the murderer and their victims are sharing a funeral and burial.

Says a lot about how seriously we take murder here.

I don't understand why YOU should have a problem with that, its up to the family to make those decisions not you.

Mortpourvelo

tomofson wrote: »

I don't understand why YOU should have a problem with that, its up to the family to make those decisions not you.

Really, you don't see why as a society we should be concerned that murder is being glossed over ?

Next time you see a murdered out after less than ten years (when they should do a minimum of 25) think on how we treat murderers.

Oh and I apologise for expressing my opinion, on a site where opinions are asked for. Silly me.

Bicky bicky

Bicky bicky wrote: »

http://www.thesun.ie/irishsol/homepage/news/7256174/Rural-OAP-may-have-murdered-wife-and-almost-killed-son-before-suicide.html

Am waiting for a bashing because it's the sun!

Since when does a "theory" constitute as evidence and deserve an article?

tomofson

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

Really, you don't see why as a society we should be concerned that murder is being glossed over ?

Next time you see a murdered out after less than ten years (when they should do a minimum of 25) think on how we treat murderers.

Oh and I apologise for expressing my opinion, on a site where opinions are asked for. Silly me.

No to be honest I dont get where your coming from with that one, but yes you are correct everyone is entitled to their opinion.