Tams 2 application

charolais0153

We were thinking about doing a simple enought 2 bay shed but taegasc lad said it would cost 1000 for planning permission and doing the application. Seems like a lot of money. I read that you don't need an advisor to do it so was wondering is there much to do for the application and would it be handy enough to do it myself

Icelandicseige

charolais0153 wrote: »

We were thinking about doing a simple enought 2 bay shed but taegasc lad said it would cost 1000 for planning permission and doing the application. Seems like a lot of money. I read that you don't need an advisor to do it so was wondering is there much to do for the application and would it be handy enough to do it myself

Was quoted 1200 for planning and 800 by one advisor.

Timmaay

I was a mechanical engineer in my previous life, and did myown planning application over the summer. It's not rocket science but it certainly will be a long and drawn out affair, I spend hours on both the department and co council websites looking at specifications and guidelines, drawings took several iterations, that was between me changing specifications, and realising 1/2 way through that one design would result in shed eve height too low for department specs ha. The local co council send me back the application 5times, usually to clarify stuff, it was probably very obvious to them that this was my 1st time applying ha, stupid things often, like I worded the newspaper notice different to the site notice etc.

So to cut a long story short, do I think 800e is expensive ha, no definite not!! I don't regret doing out the application, I had the necessary CAD skills for drawings etc already, I wasn't at a huge amount over the summer, and I'll be doing more planning applications in the future (for a house etc), but it's definitely a steep enough learning curve 1st time.

larthehar

Timmaay wrote: »

I was a mechanical engineer in my previous life, and did myown planning application over the summer. It's not rocket science but it certainly will be a long and drawn out affair, I spend hours on both the department and co council websites looking at specifications and guidelines, drawings took several iterations, that was between me changing specifications, and realising 1/2 way through that one design would result in shed eve height too low for department specs ha. The local co council send me back the application 5times, usually to clarify stuff, it was probably very obvious to them that this was my 1st time applying ha, stupid things often, like I worded the newspaper notice different to the site notice etc.

So to cut a long story short, do I think 800e is expensive ha, no definite not!! I don't regret doing out the application, I had the necessary CAD skills for drawings etc already, I wasn't at a huge amount over the summer, and I'll be doing more planning applications in the future (for a house etc), but it's definitely a steep enough learning curve 1st time.

I am thinking about doing the same thing but after talking to a few lads around i was advised that it is more likely to be processed pain free coming from a regular applicant!
If i was to paddle my own canoe, any tips?
Ps also have a house to do next yr!

Timmaay

larthehar wrote: »

I am thinking about doing the same thing but after talking to a few lads around i was advised that it is more likely to be processed pain free coming from a regular applicant!
If i was to paddle my own canoe, any tips?
Ps also have a house to do next yr!

You'd want to have a royal bollox of a co co chap dealing with you to make you jump through hoops because your not a regular. I'd be wearily of lads telling you this, it more sounds like ****e spouted from some planning consulter who wants to keep a closed shop.

In fairness I did find the local co co planners to be very reasonable, and happy enough to help and guide me along, I had a contact for a very helpful chap in the department TAMS office also who kept me on the straight and narrow. If you have the time, and are comfortable enough doing the research and homework yourself then fire ahead. Worst case scenario you'll end up going to a consultation, and hopefully with a good chunk of the work done by then yourself.

kk.man

Can you still submit application for shed lighting under TAMS
..and when is the closing date?

Tyson Lannister

I do planning applications for Agricultural sheds. I've specialised in this over the years, farming as well. Been doing the drawings for sheds since the last grant.
Seriously lads there's a lot of work in it. Get it through planning then and the Department looking for all sorts afterwards.

Some counties far worse than others. Drawing and surveying the yard often takes far longer than the shed, levels, working out existing and proposed capacity, rainwater run-off, soiled water etc. Some counties just worried about the shed and a rough farmyard plan - that's grand.

jack o shea

Tyson, do you need planning for a straw bed shed if not getting the Grant?

Signpost

Half my yard consists of mud stables which are around 200 years old (unused), next phase of work done around 1952 to 1955 (& amazingly I can't find the planning requirements between 1830's to 1950's too easily), last stage done around 1996 to 1998. Went to do a job with TAMS and was told step one was retention for all the yard which would cost around 1500 before anything else was done. Weighed up price of planning, price of grant spec, price of engineers reports etc vs doing the job to a potentially better spec for far less cost. Long story short, I didn't go through with the grant.
Its one thing being told they will pay 40%, its another to actually get the 40% off them ever. Know of people in times past who went grant spec and ended up paying out of their own pocket because of all the red tape waffle. I'd strongly recommend asking your builder etc how much it would be if it wasn't for a grant and see how much the 40% will be worth to you in the end.

charolais0153

Signpost wrote: »

Half my yard consists of mud stables which are around 200 years old (unused), next phase of work done around 1952 to 1955 (& amazingly I can't find the planning requirements between 1830's to 1950's too easily), last stage done around 1996 to 1998. Went to do a job with TAMS and was told step one was retention for all the yard which would cost around 1500 before anything else was done. Weighed up price of planning, price of grant spec, price of engineers reports etc vs doing the job to a potentially better spec for far less cost. Long story short, I didn't go through with the grant.
Its one thing being told they will pay 40%, its another to actually get the 40% off them ever. Know of people in times past who went grant spec and ended up paying out of their own pocket because of all the red tape waffle. I'd strongly recommend asking your builder etc how much it would be if it wasn't for a grant and see how much the 40% will be worth to you in the end.

We would do everything ourselves we just need to buy the materials

Tyson Lannister

Signpost wrote: »

Half my yard consists of mud stables which are around 200 years old (unused), next phase of work done around 1952 to 1955 (& amazingly I can't find the planning requirements between 1830's to 1950's too easily), last stage done around 1996 to 1998. Went to do a job with TAMS and was told step one was retention for all the yard which would cost around 1500 before anything else was done. Weighed up price of planning, price of grant spec, price of engineers reports etc vs doing the job to a potentially better spec for far less cost. Long story short, I didn't go through with the grant.

How go you know you need retention for the entire yard? That's seems unusual .

Tyson Lannister

jack o shea wrote: »

Tyson, do you need planning for a straw bed shed if not getting the Grant?

If you want to be fully planning compliant you need planning permission if the shed is over 200 m2. If it's under 200m2 you might be ok if it's going on a greenfield site, not into a farmyard.you still have to do up the plans though and apply for a section 5 exemption.
I'm doing a few retentions lately for people as they are going for loans and putting the farm against the loan. Bank want a certificate of planning compliance before they will release the money, so that's catching people.

Signpost

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

How go you know you need retention for the entire yard? That's seems unusual .

My Teagasc advisor told me to do it I would need retention for everything in the yard including all buildings, the old farm house & even the ration bin! The 1500 euro would be bad enough without paying to draw up all the buildings etc again and have to go do septic tanks etc for the old house then. Make a small job big very quickly!

Tyson Lannister

Signpost wrote: »

My Teagasc advisor told me to do it I would need retention for everything in the yard including all buildings, the old farm house & even the ration bin! The 1500 euro would be bad enough without paying to draw up all the buildings etc again and have to go do septic tanks etc for the old house then. Make a small job big very quickly!

I don't think he is right there. You only need retention if the building without planning directly affects the proposed building (ie you are building on to it).
A typical situation for me would be applying for PP for a new slatted unit. The council come out to inspect the yard then as a Further Information request they would ask what is the planning status of building A. I would reply that a separate application would be required to regularise building A. The applications proceeds then. Anything pre 1995 never seems to be an issue

tanko

charolais0153 wrote: »

We were thinking about doing a simple enought 2 bay shed but taegasc lad said it would cost 1000 for planning permission and doing the application. Seems like a lot of money. I read that you don't need an advisor to do it so was wondering is there much to do for the application and would it be handy enough to do it myself

Have you looked into doing a three bay shed, it mightn't cost as much more as you think and would be better value for your money?

charolais0153

tanko wrote: »

Have you looked into doing a three bay shed, it mightn't cost as much more as you think and would be better value for your money?

We have an existing shed, but we wouldn't get grant approval if we built on to it. If we left a bay of a gap between them, we'd only need a small bit of sheeting and a bit of concrete and a few blocks.

Limestone Cowboy

Roughly how much would a 4 bay single with 14'6" slat and 16ft creep with a crush in the creep area done to grant spec cost lads? I'm eligible for the 60% grant and very tempted. Would make life a lot easier with cows calving in the springtime and I could house weanlings for the winter and a few thinner cows that aren't able for the winterage rather than messing with mucky round feeders outside. It's Sac where I was thinking about putting it up aswell so would need planning permission, I assume it's cheaper than residential buildings to get it??

Timmaay

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Roughly how much would a 4 bay single with 14'6" slat and 16ft creep with a crush in the creep area done to grant spec cost lads? I'm eligible for the 60% grant and very tempted. Would make life a lot easier with cows calving in the springtime and I could house weanlings for the winter and a few thinner cows that aren't able for the winterage rather than messing with mucky round feeders outside. It's Sac where I was thinking about putting it up aswell so would need planning permission, I assume it's cheaper than residential buildings to get it??

Very rough guess, something around 40 to 50k.

topaha

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Roughly how much would a 4 bay single with 14'6" slat and 16ft creep with a crush in the creep area done to grant spec cost lads? I'm eligible for the 60% grant and very tempted. Would make life a lot easier with cows calving in the springtime and I could house weanlings for the winter and a few thinner cows that aren't able for the winterage rather than messing with mucky round feeders outside. It's Sac where I was thinking about putting it up aswell so would need planning permission, I assume it's cheaper than residential buildings to get it??

Thats pretty much what i'm in the process of building to grant spec. The allowed costs in the Departments breakdown come in around €57,500. 9ft tank rather 8' though. 12in wall.

Signpost

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

I don't think he is right there. You only need retention if the building without planning directly affects the proposed building (ie you are building on to it).
A typical situation for me would be applying for PP for a new slatted unit. The council come out to inspect the yard then as a Further Information request they would ask what is the planning status of building A. I would reply that a separate application would be required to regularise building A. The applications proceeds then. Anything pre 1995 never seems to be an issue

Do you do work for people in Munster region Tyson?

Limestone Cowboy

topaha wrote: »

Thats pretty much what i'm in the process of building to grant spec. The allowed costs in the Departments breakdown come in around €57,500. 9ft tank rather 8' though. 12in wall.

Saucy enough, would have thought 50k should cover it. I wouldn't need a 9ft tank though, 8 would be loads.

Count Mondego

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Roughly how much would a 4 bay single with 14'6" slat and 16ft creep with a crush in the creep area done to grant spec cost lads? I'm eligible for the 60% grant and very tempted. Would make life a lot easier with cows calving in the springtime and I could house weanlings for the winter and a few thinner cows that aren't able for the winterage rather than messing with mucky round feeders outside. It's Sac where I was thinking about putting it up aswell so would need planning permission, I assume it's cheaper than residential buildings to get it??

60k. I'm doing a five bay with a set of pens behind the creep as well and coming in at over 80k. Concrete is a robber when it's 37n.

Limestone Cowboy

Count Mondego wrote: »

60k. I'm doing a five bay with a set of pens behind the creep as well and coming in at over 80k. Concrete is a robber when it's 37n.

I was thinking with the last few months it would be coming in around that at grant spec alright. Still have a cheap enough shed at 24k after I suppose. Was talking to a fella last week that put up basically the same shed 2 years ago with no grant but said he did it department spec for 42k and got the vat back on that after but it must'nt have been to the same spec with that kind of a price difference. He gave me a bit of false hope I think.

Count Mondego

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

I was thinking with the last few months it would be coming in around that at grant spec alright. Still have a cheap enough shed at 24k after I suppose. Was talking to a fella last week that put up basically the same shed 2 years ago with no grant but said he did it department spec for 42k and got the vat back on that after but it must'nt have been to the same spec with that kind of a price difference. He gave me a bit of false hope I think.

24k is f#ck all over five or six years. Build it now as you'll never get this grant again.

Parishlad

Does anybody know if it is still possible to apply for a grant for a new shed under TAMS 2? I know the deadline for this tranche is sometime this month but couldn't figure out if that was it, or if it was still possible to apply as the scheme is open until 2020??

Count Mondego

Parishlad wrote: »

Does anybody know if it is still possible to apply for a grant for a new shed under TAMS 2? I know the deadline for this tranche is sometime this month but couldn't figure out if that was it, or if it was still possible to apply as the scheme is open until 2020??

Sure is. Usually 3 tranches a year up to 2020. You'll need full planning permission before you make the application though, which can be a nightmare depending on where you are.

The tranches are a great idea as they spread out the work and panic for everyone.

Parishlad

Count Mondego wrote: »

Sure is. Usually 3 tranches a year up to 2020. You'll need full planning permission before you make the application though, which can be a nightmare depending on where you are.

The tranches are a great idea as they spread out the work and panic for everyone.

Thanks CM. Toying with the idea of putting up a three bay with creep/lie back and crush at the back. Just haven't had the time to go looking for prices and do planning etc.

Limestone Cowboy

Count Mondego wrote: »

Sure is. Usually 3 tranches a year up to 2020. You'll need full planning permission before you make the application though, which can be a nightmare depending on where you are.

The tranches are a great idea as they spread out the work and panic for everyone.

Was reading an article in the journal about a fella in Galway that had awful hassle with planning permission as he was building very close to Sac ground. All our land at home is Sac, hope Clare Cc are easier dealt with but I doubt it.

Count Mondego

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Was reading an article in the journal about a fella in Galway that had awful hassle with planning permission as he was building very close to Sac ground. All our land at home is Sac, hope Clare Cc are easier dealt with but I doubt it.

Ya, and he was a few miles away from the Sac. Planning department in Galway are a joke, Clare aren't as bad. You'll jump through a few hoops before you're finished though.