American Airlines On Fire in Chicago

Seanie_H

A lot of hearsay etc. at the minute but certainly seems to a plane (767-300) on fire at O'Hare. All pax evacuated.

Speculation includes:
Fire after rejected take off and also some comment that there was a fire exercise at the airport today but it seems this is different.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Possible-Plane-Crash-Reported-at-OHare-Airport-399071991.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_CHBrand

No doubt more will come in.

Moron taking video on runway:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMHn-GvgU9T/

Picture here:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv4R_z4UMAE7Itu.jpg

Jack1985

That aircraft is a write off anyway.. Glad all are safe. Well done to the crew.

robyntmorton

Look at that wing!!

Bsal

Again most passengers taking their carry-on luggage with them.

Oscar Bravo

Lucky no injuries . ive seen this aircraft pass many a time over here(West Mayo) operating the daily AA90 flight to LHR. should have some high level shots. shame to see it destroyed.

Tenger

Seanie_H wrote: »

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Moron taking video on runway:
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The moron taking the video at least wasnt walking back towards the burning aircraft, unlike the woman who looked like she was going back for her duty free. (the blue shirts look to be AA crew)

Jack1985

Looks like the cabin crew quickly determined it was catastrophic and initiated the evac, Engine 1 just shutting down in this video if you look at the slide at 2L as passengers pour out on to the wing and out 1L.

Tenger

That vid Jack posted looked like the aft slide was just inflated and the forst couple of pax off were just running back to grab the bottom to anchor it. You can hear the engine winding down very clearly

PukkaStukka

Tenger wrote: »

That vid Jack posted looked like the aft slide was just inflated and the forst couple of pax off were just running back to grab the bottom to anchor it. You can hear the engine winding down very clearly

Id say whoever took that video may already have been on the runway- that is unless they were the very first off and sprinted to the best vantage point with camera / phone in hand

Negative_G

Great drills by the crew to ensure no injuries.

A long haul skipper once told me that the decision to evacuate is never taken lightly as you are almost guaranteed at least a few serious injuries.

Seeing people with their carry baggage absolutely infuriates me.

roundymac

Negative_G wrote: »

Great drills by the crew to ensure no injuries.

A long haul skipper once told me that the decision to evacuate is never taken lightly as you are almost guaranteed at least a few serious injuries.

Seeing people with their carry baggage absolutely infuriates me.

Could those people be charged with endangering people by takeing there baggage with? The slides could be damaged by the bags, I know if some one was holding me up in an evac situtation they would feel by shoulder as I barged past them .Whether or not they get off the plane safetly would not be my concern.

Negative_G

roundymac wrote: »

Could those people be charged with endangering people by takeing there baggage with? The slides could be damaged by the bags, I know if some one was holding me up in an evac situtation they would feel by shoulder as I barged past them .Whether or not they get off the plane safetly would not be my concern.

No idea. A heavy fine and a ban from flying would be sufficient punishment but probably wouldn't stop it occuring.

I know people behave differently in a stressful situation but I just cant understand the logic/thought process of these people.

The wing is engulfed in flames and you're sitting on tonnes of highly flammable JetA1.

Zero situational awareness and zero respect for their fellow passengers.

Dermot Illogical

ATC Audio here

And here

john boye

Negative_G wrote: »

No idea. A heavy fine and a ban from flying would be sufficient punishment but probably wouldn't stop it occuring.

I know people behave differently in a stressful situation but I just cant understand the logic/thought process of these people.

The wing is engulfed in flames and you're sitting on tonnes of highly flammable JetA1.

Zero situational awareness and zero respect for their fellow passengers.

I can only assume that these people just don't understand how serious a situation they're in, there's no other explanation.

vicwatson

Why the hell aren't people RUNNING away after getting off? Adrenaline should kick in, I'd run like hell in case the plane blew

Jack1985

PukkaStukka wrote: »

Id say whoever took that video may already have been on the runway- that is unless they were the very first off and sprinted to the best vantage point with camera / phone in hand

I would assume they evacuated from 1L. As you can see the overwings are evacuating too, at 2L's slide seems to have just deployed however the thrust seems to be blowing it aft, before passengers who evacuated from the overwings anchor it down.

Gamebred

Plane loaded with fuel and on fire and people calmly walk away videoing these events,the mind boggles.

Jack1985

NTSB press briefing a short while ago;

Confirmation that the no 2 stage high pressure turbine disk had failed in the no 2 engine. Parts of the blade were ejected, with one part landing 2920ft away in a UPS warehouse, another piece discovered 0.3nm from the accident site. The NTSB confirmed they have recovered roughly 90% of the failed disc. Damage was limited to the No 2 engine, windows and right hand exterior (wing, aft fuselage, elevator), no fire occurred in the cabin.

NTSB also confirmed FA's initiated evacuation, as I had previously thought with the video footage available. Slides used were 1L, 1R and 2L, overwing exits on the left used also, all exits used were safe.

Luckily nobody was killed in this accident, especially with the blade ejecting at such a speed. No confirmation given yet, how the fire started, one would assume the ejecting blade which fractured in to pieces, punctured the right hand main and surge tanks on the right wing which completely disintegrated in this fire.

Irish Steve

Gamebred wrote: »

Plane loaded with fuel and on fire and people calmly walk away videoing these events,the mind boggles.

The vast majority of passengers have never been close to an incident, let alone part of one, and the last time an aircraft exploded significantly after a rejected take off is a very long time ago, so there's no "horrifying video" that might frighten people into getting out quickly, (without their hand luggage) and as far as possible from the aircraft in the shortest possible time. It is thankfully rare for engines to fail to the extent that an urgent evacuation takes place, although there have been a few in recent times.

The result is that when there is an incident, people don't have any real sense of urgency to drive them, which causes the sort of response that's being seen, both in terms of the lack of urgency, and the distraction into filming, rather than getting to a place of safety as a priority.

Unfortunately, it will take an incident with loss of life or injury to make people take notice of the appropriate responses that are needed.

Gamebred

Irish Steve wrote: »

The vast majority of passengers have never been close to an incident, let alone part of one, and the last time an aircraft exploded significantly after a rejected take off is a very long time ago, so there's no "horrifying video" that might frighten people into getting out quickly, (without their hand luggage) and as far as possible from the aircraft in the shortest possible time. It is thankfully rare for engines to fail to the extent that an urgent evacuation takes place, although there have been a few in recent times.

The result is that when there is an incident, people don't have any real sense of urgency to drive them, which causes the sort of response that's being seen, both in terms of the lack of urgency, and the distraction into filming, rather than getting to a place of safety as a priority.

Unfortunately, it will take an incident with loss of life or injury to make people take notice of the appropriate responses that are needed.

Very true,the saying ''ignorance is bliss'' applies to a lot of these people who never worry about a thing even in these situations I wish I could be as laid back,


I personally would be like Usain Bolt out of that plane as far away from the thing as possible.

The Rape of Lucretia

Are the chances of such disc break up unrelated to the take off, and that it could as easily have happened some time after take off, or is the risk of such failure higher during runway acceleration ?
I was on an aborted takeoff due to engine failure once (dont know what the specific failure was), but there was no fire.

markpb

In a situation like this, you *want* people to be calm. Maybe not so calm that they're retrieving their luggage or filming it but calm is good. Someone doing a Usain Bolt will cause chaos and people will her hurt.

Everyone got off the plane safely. This was a good result. The cabin crew did their jobs so well that no one panicked and did something stupid.

billie1b

markpb wrote: »

In a situation like this, you *want* people to be calm. Maybe not so calm that they're retrieving their luggage or filming it but calm is good. Someone doing a Usain Bolt will cause chaos and people will her hurt.

Everyone got off the plane safely. This was a good result. The cabin crew did their jobs so well that no one panicked and did something stupid.

Totally agree, from a young age in school we were always taught if there was a fire to remain calm and exit the building in a orderly and calm fashion, it was drilled into our heads not to run or panic. I was taught the same in my previous job as the fire marshall and fire fighter and the same in this job. Running and barging people is going to cause panic and loss of life.

lintdrummer

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Are the chances of such disc break up unrelated to the take off, and that it could as easily have happened some time after take off, or is the risk of such failure higher during runway acceleration ?
I was on an aborted takeoff due to engine failure once (dont know what the specific failure was), but there was no fire.

Chances are higher on takeoff due to engine operating at takeoff thrust. Engines are at their most stressed at this point and are time limited to about 5 minutes of operation before the thrust must be reduced to max continuous or lower.

lintdrummer

billie1b wrote: »

markpb wrote: »

In a situation like this, you *want* people to be calm. Maybe not so calm that they're retrieving their luggage or filming it but calm is good. Someone doing a Usain Bolt will cause chaos and people will her hurt.

Everyone got off the plane safely. This was a good result. The cabin crew did their jobs so well that no one panicked and did something stupid.

Totally agree, from a young age in school we were always taught if there was a fire to remain calm and exit the building in a orderly and calm fashion, it was drilled into our heads not to run or panic. I was taught the same in my previous job as the fire marshall and fire fighter and the same in this job. Running and barging people is going to cause panic and loss of life.

I think you're correct as to the initial evacuation, but I have to agree with Gamebred that once clear of the fuselage I'd be getting as far away from it as possible in the shortest time possible.

newacc2015

roundymac wrote: »

Could those people be charged with endangering people by takeing there baggage with? The slides could be damaged by the bags, I know if some one was holding me up in an evac situtation they would feel by shoulder as I barged past them .Whether or not they get off the plane safetly would not be my concern.

Apparently there is no crime by taking your bag with you in circumstances like this. People taking their bags with them during a serious incident like this in America happens pretty often and legal experts there say there is no crime against it unlike smoking in a toilet

IMO I think the problem is people dont seem to realise how quickly a fire can rip through a plane. A ****ty door from a building providers(with cardboard inside of it) is often fire rated for 20-30 mins. I was really surprised that in a high tech and ultra modern plane, a fire can rip through it within a few mins. I think if people knew that, they would be more likely to leave their bag overhead.

robyntmorton

newacc2015 wrote: »

Apparently there is no crime by taking your bag with you in circumstances like this. People taking their bags with them during a serious incident like this in America happens pretty often and legal experts there say there is no crime against it unlike smoking in a toilet

It is a federal offence to disobey the instructions of a flight attendant. It is also on the safety cards that an evacuation means you leave everything but yourself behind.

Unfortunately, it would take a test case going through the courts to define whether that safety card automatically counts as instructions, even if it is not verbally said to leave everything behind.

(That said, I doubt the flight attendant will hold up the evacuation to argue the point)

Tenger

Regarding pax evacuating with baggage;
Crew will not try to stop them as doing so will cause an argument and thus slow the movement of people.
Secondly you will end up with a build up of bags beside the exit which could end up impeding or even blocking the exit for other passengers.