WWE Survivor Series 2016 Discussion (spoilers)

PTH2009

Takes place Sunday 20th Nov from Toronto Canada on the WWE Network

following matches are rumoured

Goldberg vs Brock Lesner II
5x Team Raw Divas vs 5x Team SD Divas Elimination match
5x Raw Tag teams vs 5x SD Tag Teams Elimination match
5x Raw superstars vs 5x SD superstars

Lord TSC

They seem to be going all in on the whole Raw vs Smackdown thing. Since 90% of the roster will be tied up in it, I imagine we will be getting a lot of "invasions" between the shows.

CSF

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Ellsworth for the Smackdown team is a given.

Furious-Red

CSF wrote: »

Ellsworth for the Smackdown team is a given.

Sole Survivor :pac::pac::pac:

PTH2009

Furious-Red wrote: »

Sole Survivor :pac::pac::pac:

more impressive about Ellsworth is that someone is married to him and he has kids lol

where did he come from to get to WWE ??? was he a backstage guy, run another company etc ???

Lord TSC

PTH2009 wrote: »

more impressive about Ellsworth is that someone is married to him and he has kids lol

where did he come from to get to WWE ??? was he a backstage guy, run another company etc ???

Afaik, he was a local Indy promoter in the town he debuted in. I'd guess they went to an indy group, asked for a local talent to be supplied and he was the one who went along.

Bounty Hunter

He’s a promoter for Adrenaline Championship Wrestling in Millersville, Maryland. He also wrestled for 13 years iirc and was actually a Rosebud a couple of times with Adam Rose according to an interview he did recently.



On another note I fear those Survivor series matches will be terrible. Interesting how they said the 5 best womens wrestlers on each brand too but I assume considering how they have been using the woman recently that will be excluding whoever is in the 2 respective title matches. If that is the case that could be a bit of a botch fest too as it'll mean that you will probably end up with people like Eva Marie being thrown in there as they really don't have that many women on the shows.

ERG89

Doubt we'll get a match as legendary as Gangrel, Steve Blackman, Val Venis and Mark Henry vs The Mean Street Posse and British Bulldog this year

Seriously Raw has only 5 divas (Nia, Dana, Charlotte, Sasha and Bayley) so I expect that as the team. The Tag match will be a mess with like 20 wrestlers :rolleyes:

The other one could be good but its a shame most wrestlers have worked with one another ad nauseam whereas 10 years ago you'd have guys who never wrestled each other on opposing teams

beakerjoe

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ERG89 wrote: »

Seriously Raw has only 5 divas (Nia, Dana, Charlotte, Sasha and Bayley) so I expect that as the team. The Tag match will be a mess with like 20 wrestlers :rolleyes:

Summer Rae and Alicia Fox are there too IIRC

beakerjoe

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James Ellsworth has been knocking around the Baltimore indies for years and has done extra work for WWE in the past. He was a Rose Bud during Adam Roses tenure. He apartently always gets a call from the WWE office whenever they are in Baltimore but has never wrestled a match on WWE TV until The Braun Strowman match. I remember reading that one of the agents (Arn Anderson I think) plucked him from the pack of local talent on hand that night because of his luck. He was asked if he could take a bump and throw a punch and the agent pushed for him to be Brauns next opponent. He even came up with his own line before hand about any man with 2 hands has a chance.

Needless to say Vince loved him that night and he’s been travelling with them ever since.

Hes like Frank Grimes to Mr Burns.... in a way.

Bounty Hunter

beakerjoe wrote: »

Summer Rae and Alicia Fox are there too IIRC

Plus Emma(lina) will be a thing well before Survivor Series.

Mr. Guappa

ERG89 wrote: »

Doubt we'll get a match as legendary as Gangrel, Steve Blackman, Val Venis and Mark Henry vs The Mean Street Posse and British Bulldog this year

Seriously Raw has only 5 divas (Nia, Dana, Charlotte, Sasha and Bayley) so I expect that as the team. The Tag match will be a mess with like 20 wrestlers :rolleyes:

The other one could be good but its a shame most wrestlers have worked with one another ad nauseam whereas 10 years ago you'd have guys who never wrestled each other on opposing teams

I don't know why they didn't just make the matches 4 v 4. Talk about booking yourself into a corner.

Agent Coulson

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The Big Show and Mark Henry will return to save the day for RAW in the 5 on 5 match.

CastorTroy

The women's match could be a hard one to book. They could go the old route of ending it quickly with maybe only the last couple lasting long or because of the focus on women's matches these days they may want to make it long.
One possible way they could book Eva Marie in it is to have her team win without her having tagged in, to go along with the whole thing of her not actually wrestling

the groutch

would be a good time to debut Joe as a "surprise team-mate"

Agent Coulson

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A traditional 5 on 5 match for NXT guys would be a good way to introduce them to the general audience.

beakerjoe

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Agent Coulson wrote: »

A traditional 5 on 5 match for NXT guys would be a good way to introduce them to the general audience.

I disagree.

I think the cruiserweights had a similar introduction to Raw. The cold introduction, with little build and many talents trying to stand out, usually means only 1 or 2 at most may get over. Id argue that only really TJP has been somewhat pushed and few have benefited at all from the cold introduction. While Im sure we have all enjoyed watching the cruisers since they debuted, Id argue none of them have gotten over enough yet because of it. No reason to cheer, no real feuds yet except TJP V TBK, just some guys fighting.

A 5 on 5 NXT showcase match would be similar. Maybe 1 guy might stand out but 9 others would just look like other guys at best. Only the big NXT names like Joe or Nak would be potentially fine from a surprise debut.

connemara man

It might be interesting if the Smackdown 5 were all from NXT as signings to the main Roster. Would that be possible? Make a big deal out of all 5 they would have to win overall.

beakerjoe

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Im hoping all 3 (5x5) matches wont have the teams mixed with heels and faces. Like one match is fine, but that dynamic of heels teaming with faces will lose its charm over 3 bouts.

DM_7

Need to have two of the matches where the heels and faces see past their issues to do the best for their brand, then have a heel ruin the last match for his/her team to make them look really bad/selfish.

CastorTroy

So I assume the matches will be the 3 tag elimination matches, Goldberg/Brock and both world titles. Any others? It seems the tag champs will be their team captain for smackdown so no title defence. Becky will probably be with the women so she won't be defending. Though now Nikki is team captain which is strange.

The teams so far are:
Team Smackdown Women
Nikki Bella

Team Smackdown Tag
Slater/Rhyno
Hype Bros


Did I miss any? Any predictions?
I don't like that ones feuding like Ziggler and Miz could be on the one team.
Smackdown singles will probably be Corbin, Swagger, Crews, Kane, Luke Harper.
Raw would then have Jericho, Zayn, Strowman, Bo and Neville.

Sirsok

Joe debut as a Paul Heyman guy, he will lose to Nakamura, go on to survivor series and help Brock beat Goldberg?

PTH2009

So

Raw will win the Tag team match
SD will win the Womens match

in the Main Event its
Team Raw- Roman Reigns, Sami Zayn, Cesaro, Sheamus and Big Show
vs
Team SD- John Cena, Kane, Apollo Crews, Dolph Ziggler and The Miz

its down to Reigns vs Cena and suddenly 5 guys all dressed in black come down to the ring and attack both Cena and Reigns and then attack all the guys who try and save them. Then they take off there masks and its a load of NXT guys and they point to the Ramp where there leaders emerge Triple H and Kevin Owens (lost his title earlier that night to y2j)

NXT guys= Samoa Joe, Austin Aries, Bobby Roode, Tye Dilliger and Rodrick Strong

CastorTroy

Forgot about the rumoured NXT third brand feud. Good call.

I think Raw will win the women's match and SD the tag. Just because after the emphasis being put on the women main eventing Hell in a cell, they wouldn't want that hurt.

Is this staying as a 3 hour show or is it 4 hours since it's one of the big 4.

Although it's a bank holiday on Monday I won;t be staying up.

Loughc

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CastorTroy wrote: »

Is this staying as a 3 hour show or is it 4 hours since it's one of the big 4.

Although it's a bank holiday on Monday I won;t be staying up.

Hell in a Cell is Sunday not survivor series.

CastorTroy

Ah, yeah just got mixed up. That's the problem with constant PPVs. Definitely not staying up for HIAC though.

Loughc

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CastorTroy wrote: »

Ah, yeah just got mixed up. That's the problem with constant PPVs. Definitely not staying up for HIAC though.

Yea the constant flow of ppvs is making it hard to keep track of what is what. It's becoming like the ufc with a constant stream of numbered events and fight nights.

JP Liz V1

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Is Lesnar Vs. Goldberg the main event?

SureYWouldntYa

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is Lesnar Vs. Goldberg the main event?

You'd have to imagine so

No Universal title match and maybe no WWE World title match so I'd say it will be

PTH2009

Goldberg's son is so relaxed, can't take the smile off his face

Hard to knw if Lesner or Goldberg will win ?

J. Marston

PTH2009 wrote: »

Goldberg's son is so relaxed, can't take the smile off his face

Hard to knw if Lesner or Goldberg will win ?

Definitely Lesnar. Level it up 1-1 and in Vince's head, he's probably still getting one over on WCW.

Mr.Nice Guy

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It's disappointing that there doesn't appear to be anything on the line in the Raw vs Smackdown matches.

I would have liked to see Shane and Stephanie make some deal where whichever show wins the most matches on the night gets the right to enter negotiations with one wrestler on the opposite brand.

e.g. If Smackdown win 2-1 over the course of the 3 matches then Smackdown can acquire a wrestler from Raw. Daniel Bryan a few months back told Cesaro on Raw he thought he was under-utilized so you could do a storyline where Bryan tries to woo Cesaro to Smackdown and Foley tries to convince him to stay on Raw. Maybe in the end he decides to stay on Raw to get the tag titles.

At least that way you give the fans a reason to care about the outcome. I don't see why I should care about Raw or Smackdown winning these matches as it seems like it's just going to end with Stephanie gloating if Raw win, or emasculating several wrestlers if Raw lose. Big whoop.

CastorTroy

So with all the champs in the elimination matches, who will be in the other matches if they're planning on filling a 4 hour show?
So
the three tag matches
Brock/Goldrberg
CW title match

CSF

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Wyatt and Orton will be in some kind of match I guess.

PTH2009

Team SD is Randy Orton, Bray Wyatt, Baron Corbin, AJ Styles and Dean Ambrose

SD Women's Team is Niki Bella, Becky Lynch, Naomi, Alexa Bliss and Carmella with Natalya as coach

SD Tag Teams are American Alpha, Rhyno/Slater, hype bros with 2 spots remaining

CSF

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This looks like such a writeoff of a PPV already.

JP Liz V1

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So who is likely from Raw to accept Ziggler's IC title challenge

PTH2009

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

So who is likely from Raw to accept Ziggler's IC title challenge

Rusev or Zayn

JP Liz V1

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PTH2009 wrote: »

Rusev or Zayn

I thought Zayn was on Team Raw

Lord TSC

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I thought Zayn was on Team Raw

Haha, no. Not a chance he'd be given a main event spot. Team Raw is

Roman, Owens, Jericho, Corbin

and while not confirmed yet, it looks like the fifth member will be

Rollins

. I'd also be amazed if he gets the IC shot either. WWE don't seem to care about pushing him at all.

Bounty Hunter

Lord TSC wrote: »

Haha, no. Not a chance he'd be given a main event spot. Team Raw is

Roman, Owens, Jericho, Corbin

and while not confirmed yet, it looks like the fifth member will be

Rollins

. I'd also be amazed if he gets the IC shot either. WWE don't seem to care about pushing him at all.

Does losing to Ziggler in a non promoted appearance really count as a push though?

I'm not expecting him but him answering an open challenge would actually fit with the storyline reason he has even been on TV recently be it him and Neville answering Bo/Axels open challenge or Brauns demands for competitiion...

I wouldn't be shocked if he annoys Braun to further their storyline on Raw and then when he answers Zigglers challenge Braun interfers to cost him the match. Hell he could even then interfere to cost Braun in the Survivor Series singles elimination match as I doubt they will have Braun eliminated clean if he is eliminated that is.

PTH2009

Lord TSC wrote: »

Haha, no. Not a chance he'd be given a main event spot. Team Raw is

Roman, Owens, Jericho, Corbin

and while not confirmed yet, it looks like the fifth member will be

Rollins

. I'd also be amazed if he gets the IC shot either. WWE don't seem to care about pushing him at all.

u got

Corbin and Strowman mixed up. Corbin is on Team SD, Strowman on team raw

SureYWouldntYa

Lord TSC wrote: »

WWE don't seem to care about pushing him at all.

It's so bloody stupid he's done nothing in 4 months since beating Owens to end their feud

An absolute waste

CastorTroy

Was just thinking Smackdown need a big match on this show. Raw has Goldberg/Brock and the CW title. Also a Smackdown title is being defended against a Raw guy (for now). So what has Smackdown got that's exclusive to them?

Virtanen

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CastorTroy wrote: »

Was just thinking Smackdown need a big match on this show. Raw has Goldberg/Brock and the CW title. Also a Smackdown title is being defended against a Raw guy (for now). So what has Smackdown got that's exclusive to them?

Wishful thinking, but

Undertaker vs Cena? Taker is coming back to SD the week before, so not entirely impossible. Could even be the first of three, with the rubber match being the much-rumoured WM encounter?

martyos121

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Virtanen wrote: »

Wishful thinking, but

Undertaker vs Cena? Taker is coming back to SD the week before, so not entirely impossible. Could even be the first of three, with the rubber match being the much-rumoured WM encounter?

Cena isn't around until the end of December, off filming his TV show. Survivor Series was the one appearance of his that wasn't cancelled originally but it has been now apparently.

PTH2009

Kane too get help from his Brother the Undertaker to fight the Wyatts and Orton ???

Kane/Taker vs Orton/Bray Wyatt at TLC

Would love to see Cena vs Taker at Mania. It would work even better if Cena was the heel

beakerjoe

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PTH2009 wrote: »

Kane too get help from his Brother the Undertaker to fight the Wyatts and Orton ???

Kane/Taker vs Orton/Bray Wyatt at TLC

Would love to see Cena vs Taker at Mania. It would work even better if Cena was the heel

Minus Orton, this happened last year and it stunk up the joint. Im grand thanks Vince

DM_7

Are they moving IC title to RAW in place of the cruiserweight title?

CastorTroy

Sure they barely care about the Cruiserweight title anyway. And losing the IC title wouldn't only be a bad idea, but it would also make Dolph look bad. Again.

demanufactured

Crap looking ppv apart from the goldberg return.....gone are the good old days of early 90s survivor series....