2017 BMW 5 Series revealed in leaked photos

Comhrá

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2017-bmw-5-series-revealed-leaked-photos

listermint

Hard pressed to tell the difference tbh, but sure i know BMW have incrementals over like 3 lifecycles of a vehicle. usually lights first and then some other minor changes.

Jayop

Very little change but why would they?

bazz26

The Germans in general are gone very conservative in their designs in recent times, evolution rather than revolution seems to be game these days with the accountants who don't want to rock the boat.

One thing I do hate though is these infotainment touchscreens that sit on top of the dashboard rather than integrate with it.

Gumbo

I seen it this morning on FB.
Subtle changes and you can see the design of the 3 series in it.
Going to the launch on Saturday in Elm Park Golf Club so will see what it's like in the flesh.

Stallingrad

Business as usual then. I didn't like Bangles work but at least he shook things up for a while, this is really tedious.

Full launch is today so we will know more later.

Blazer

Stallingrad wrote: »

Business as usual then. I didn't like Bangles work but at least he shook things up for a while, this is really tedious.

His e60 msport was a thing of beauty though.

WacoKid

bazz26 wrote: »

One thing I do hate though is these infotainment touchscreens that sit on top of the dashboard rather than integrate with it.

Agreed. Integrated a lot nicer.

Blazer

WacoKid wrote: »

Agreed. Integrated a lot nicer.

I actually think it looks a whole lot more modern.

Summer wind

No huge changes. I guess they know what sells best. Little bit boring though. At certain angles the rear reminds me of the Honda Accord. I'm not a fan of the chunky new grille surround or the hockey sticks on the side of the doors. I do like the new tail lights though and I'm looking forward to seeing it for real and most importantly having a test drive.

Blazer

yeah, not a fan of the exhausts as similar to Merc which in turn remind me of the 2nd gen Santa Fe and i40.
I heard one comment that xenon are phased out with Halogen as default and upgrade to LASER/LED.
I find it hard to believe though especially with BMW getting extremely poor light ratings last year for their Halogen and some of their Xenon kits.

bazz26

Xenons are standard kit in this segment these days with the option to upgrade to LED. Xenons have been standard on the F1x since around mid 2013 so I'd doubt they will be downgrading to halogen on the G3x. Going back to halogen as standard would be a step backwards.

Theboinkmaster

What's the point - looks more like an LCI facelift rather than new model...

The e60 and f10 were both gorgeous designs, ahead of their time and vast improvements on the previous model.

This is just....meh.

Also agree on the touchscreen I hate the new BMW and Audi design of sticking them on top of the dash rather than integrate into the dash as well as the fact the centre dash seems to "stop" before the gear changer and then resumes - current F10 has the screen fully integrated and flows nicely down all along to the centre armrest so the centre console is one unit which I love - like the current Porsche centre console design. These new ones are a step back I think.

Jayop

The screen thing could be all down to ergonomics and trying to have it as close to eye level as possible I'd say.

RandomAccess

I think Mercedes are ahead of most of this sector stylewise.
The A6 in Avant form is also very well proportioned.

Damien360

Rear light cluster has been fixed. Really looks wrong in current model with 2 levels on lights from boot to car edge.

Voodoomelon

Should have some pictures of it tomorrow night, if they let me take some. I think it looks good, a bit better proportioned than the 7. The dash looks very cheap though.

mickdw

I didn't like the stick up screen either to start however after using the screen in a recent bmw x5 for a day or so, I have to say it is really so much better. The new placement makes it a screen you touch and use rather than one you look at. The bmw system I that x5 was quite stunning to be honest.

unkel

The front is an improvement but I agree with others here, it's hardly a new looking model. And the last one was pretty conservative too. Makes it even more amazing how fresh the 14 year old E60 still looks. Now that was innovative design (admittedly I didn't like it at all at the time myself )

kceire wrote: »

Going to the launch on Saturday in Elm Park Golf Club so will see what it's like in the flesh.

Ditto. I'm going tomorrow morning. I wonder will they have any more detailed info about the hybrid.

Ded_Zebra

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Should have some pictures of it tomorrow night, if they let me take some. I think it looks good, a bit better proportioned than the 7. The dash looks very cheap though.

Do you think? I think it looks way nicer. I really hate the cheap nasty looking plastic that's on both side of the idrive screen in the current cars.

Personally I think it's a huge improvement over the F10 everywhere. The F10 is a really hateful car. The back of the new car is plain and non-offensive but the front is massively better. It's lost the piggy nostrils of the F10

Comhrá

OFFICIALLY REVEALED: 2017 BMW 5 Series and more detailed photos here.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2017-bmw-5-series-officially-revealed?utm_content=buffer1133e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Voodoomelon

Ded_Zebra wrote: »

Do you think? I think it looks way nicer. I really hate the cheap nasty looking plastic that's on both side of the idrive screen in the current cars.

Personally I think it's a huge improvement over the F10 everywhere. The F10 is a really hateful car. The back of the new car is plain and non-offensive but the front is massively better. It's lost the piggy nostrils of the F10

I dont know what it is about the area below the screen that I dont like, just the layout with the silver surround accents and lcd hvac displays, just looks like Chinese aftermarket equipment. No doubt i'll be won over when I sit in it.

I wonder if the quilted seats will be standard like on the 7.

maximum12

The one to go for 0 to 60 in 6 seconds and will be priced competitively with the tax rebate.

"Badged as the 530e iPerformance, BMW’s latest hybrid uses a detuned version of the driveline found in the X5 xDrive40e, with a turbocharged 2.0-litre four-cylinder petrol engine and an electric motor delivering a combined output of 248bhp and 310lb ft of torque. It boasts a 0-62mph time of 6.2sec together with claimed 141.2mpg fuel consumption and 46g/km CO2 rating."

_Kaiser_

Looks little different to the current model from my perspective, and agree about the touchscreen comments above - looks very "tacked on". I'm not convinced about touch screens in cars anyway, especially one you'd have to reach for while driving. I can see it becoming the next thing they start saying is distracting drivers (like mobiles)

unkel

maximum12 wrote: »

The one to go for 0 to 60 in 6 seconds and will be priced competitively with the tax rebate.

"Badged as the 530e iPerformance, BMW’s latest hybrid uses a detuned version of the driveline found in the X5 xDrive40e, with a turbocharged 2.0-litre four-cylinder petrol engine and an electric motor delivering a combined output of 248bhp and 310lb ft of torque. It boasts a 0-62mph time of 6.2sec together with claimed 141.2mpg fuel consumption and 46g/km CO2 rating."

The cheapest 518d auto F10 lists at €47k. If the new model 530e lists at about the same (net of subsidy), it would be a very attractive proposition for an Dublin area based owner

reubenreuben

Nothing changes. Still in boring safe colour

Cookie_Monster

maximum12 wrote: »

... together with claimed 141.2mpg fuel consumption and 46g/km CO2 rating...

:eek::eek::eek:

carsfan2

The car pictured is 540i m sport with many extras. Another German car that looks like most of us could have styled it, but not offfensive.
A standard se model in non metallic black on 17" wheels with the smaller nav screen and regular seats will be more representative of what will be on our roads and that will be pretty hum drum but existing owners will be happy.

CalamariFritti

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

The e60 and f10 were both gorgeous designs, ahead of their time and vast improvements on the previous model.

I'd be the exact opposite. F10 OK but E60? I'd take the E39 over it any day. Both design wise and the rest of it too.

Theboinkmaster

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I'd be the exact opposite. F10 OK but E60? I'd take the E39 over it any day. Both design wise and the rest of it too.

Ah now - the e60 design was light years ahead, even today on the roads it looks very modern despite being, what 13 years old IMO.

grogi

Jayop wrote: »

The screen thing could be all down to ergonomics and trying to have it as close to eye level as possible I'd say.

Cannot agree with that argument...

Essentials should be either in the instrument cluster or in the HUD. VW is doing excellent displays now, with the navigation clues etc just in front of your eyes.



Infotainment system should not be used during driving...

grogi

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I'd be the exact opposite. F10 OK but E60? I'd take the E39 over it any day. Both design wise and the rest of it too.

E60 was ahead of its times. The Bangle design was very controversial at the time, it looks much more in place now. F10 was designed with more conservative approach, much like an Audi. To me the new 5-er looks like a face-lift, not a new model.

Mercedes is pushing the design language forward at the moment. We'll see how they will age - but for sure they are not boring...

Stallingrad

grogi wrote: »

Mercedes is pushing the design language forward at the moment. We'll see how they will age - but for sure they are not boring...

Say what now? Cookie cutter design, E-class defines boring barely discernible from a C class. They are handsome, but hardly pushing any design language.

mickdw

To be fair mercedes have a beautiful range of cars right now.
BMW needed a step with this 5 and to be honest I don't think this design is that step.
C class is a beautiful design for first time in its history.
E class in good spec is far ahead of any 5 series in terms of presence and style.
S class is daddy of all luxury cars.

bazz26

It really depends on the individuals point of view which is obviously going to be subjective. Modern Mercedes designs do nothing for me so I wouldn't consider owning one except for the CLS. Doesn't take away that they make some great cars though, they are just not for me. Same goes for most of the Audi range, they do nothing for me either. Yes I'm on my third BMW so you can see my view is obviously subjective too but I've had two 5 Series now and don't think I'd be upgrading to a G30. Not because I don't like the design but more I want something a bit more sporty to drive next time. The 5 Series is a very good and comfortable car but it's grown in size with each generation and now it's a little too big and wide to be chucking into corners like I would like it to.

WacoKid

Summer wind wrote: »

No huge changes. I guess they know what sells best. Little bit boring though. At certain angles the rear reminds me of the Honda Accord. I'm not a fan of the chunky new grille surround or the hockey sticks on the side of the doors. I do like the new tail lights though and I'm looking forward to seeing it for real and most importantly having a test drive.

Rear view looks like an accord
Side view looks like a Volvo S60
Front view looks like a face lifted F10 5 series

unkel

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Should have some pictures of it tomorrow night, if they let me take some.

They won't.

Beautiful looking car, quite different in the flesh compared to the F10. A little bit bigger but apparently up to 100kg lighter. The demo car was very much like the one in the above link, but a gorgeous light blue / silver metallic. 540i M-sport with very high spec and 20" wheels. Clearly a pre-production car. I'm not sure if it even had an engine / drivetrain

Stallingrad

WacoKid wrote: »

Rear view looks like an accord
Side view looks like a Volvo S60
Front view looks like a face lifted F10 5 series

To be fair you could play this game with almost any car.

Jayop

I loved the E60, probably along with the E90 coupe are my two favourite BMW designs of all time.

carsfan2

The 520d se is 52800 euro on the road and the 530d is 65710euro.
I think professional nav is standard here now too.
No prices for the hybrids yet I think.

Bigus

bazz26 wrote: »

The Germans in general are gone very conservative in their designs in recent times, evolution rather than revolution seems to be game these days with the accountants who don't want to rock the boat.

One thing I do hate though is these infotainment touchscreens that sit on top of the dashboard rather than integrate with it.

Miles behind tesla

Jayop

The tesla screen is awful looking. Looks like someone just glued an iPad onto the dash.

bazz26

carsfan2 wrote: »

The 520d se is 52800 euro on the road and the 530d is 65710euro.
I think professional nav is standard here now too.
No prices for the hybrids yet I think.

LED headlights standard across the range in the UK too so assume we will get the same as UK/Irish base specs are normally the same.

carsfan2

I think Xenons were standard on the f10 anyway. They seem to be phasing out Xenons in favour of led now. I have led on my 3 series and can't say I notice it is vastly superior to Bmw Xenons well ahead of VW Xenons though.
The 520d is manual as standard so by the time you add auto, metallic I presume it's a 55 grand car.

bazz26

Xenons were optional on the F10 when it was launched nearly 7 years ago, only got them as standard on the LCI model.

Oafley Jones

Jayop wrote: »

The tesla screen is awful looking. Looks like someone just glued an iPad onto the dash.

Yea, it's seriously awful. Very pimp my ride.

MTBD

I would take the Lexus GS over this ever single day of the week.

IMHO Lexus are the only true premium manufacturer remaining. I refuse to call any company whose reliability and quality is not top level premium. I don't care how much they try to cover it up with expensive options and bling BMW, Audi and Mercedes to a lease extent are all made of cheese and not deserving of their price tags.

At least Lexus give a mixture of reliability and luxury. Not just one. I just think its amazing no one in this thread has even mentioned Lexus as a competitor.

Jayop

MTBD wrote: »

I would take the Lexus GS over this ever single day of the week.

IMHO Lexus are the only true premium manufacturer remaining. I refuse to call any company whose reliability and quality is not top level premium. I don't care how much they try to cover it up with expensive options and bling BMW, Audi and Mercedes to a lease extent are all made of cheese and not deserving of their price tags.

At least Lexus give a mixture of reliability and luxury. Not just one. I just think its amazing no one in this thread has even mentioned Lexus as a competitor.

Probably due to the fact that it's such a small player relative to the germans in Ireland. I heard the percentage of Lexus to others sold in Ireland recently from the CSO and it was tiny.

carsfan2

The plug in hybrid seems to have the same set a up as the 330e.
I wonder will there be a 540e?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PBG3IelKpg

unkel

The BMW heads only mentioned 530e to me...

Idbatterim

are the prices not staggeringly high for this car?