Slurry extension?

blue5000

Going to add a poll to this as well. I know weather has been dry this week and lots of people have got a chance to spread slurry around here anyway. But it may be different in other parts of the country. So if you had a chance of an extension would you use it?

Utdfan20titles

Would that mean an even bigger smell?

blue5000

Utdfan20titles wrote: »

Would that mean an even bigger smell?

No, just a longer smaller smell.:)

whelan2

Yes I need an extension

All tanks empty here, we have been very lucky with weather here this year

Buford T. Justice XIX

I just got a call from the contractor that he will be on Monday with the umbilical so happy out. I was following the cows with slurry but there was too much damage after last weekend.

Lads on heavy ground round here are doing a good bit of damage to get stuff spread with a lot of cattle inside now weeks before normal.

If ground conditions allow, I will stay spreading up to the final day.

emaherx

A two week extension would give me flexibility

whelan2 wrote: »

All tanks empty here, we have been very lucky with weather here this year

Last of it out here today too. Still a bit of FYM to go out but have till end of month for that. Weather and land conditions been fairly good here so far.

I said

Yes I need an extension

All out with umbilical last week the way forward tankers are on the way out me thinks

mahoney_j

Just wish there was a common sense approach taken to slurry dates ,system
As is is a joke working with calendar dates and little notice taken ofvweather .imo you should be allowed spread slurry any day of year weather and ground condition dependant .slurry is a very valuable nutrient that most farmers want to use to full value .ridicolus that u can spread slurry on 14 October but 24 hours later your not .ridicolous .
Saying that all my tanks are empty

alps

Where do you guys get ground to spread on at this time of the year? We've just started to close paddocks with last 2 days, but everything else has a cover of grass on it. Kept dirty water after cows during Sept so not too full.....but not a chance to put slurry anywhere up to now...

mahoney_j

alps wrote: »

Where do you guys get ground to spread on at this time of the year? We've just started to close paddocks with last 2 days, but everything else has a cover of grass on it. Kept dirty water after cows during Sept so not too full.....but not a chance to put slurry anywhere up to now...

Dribble bar or t shoe ?????.a lot of my slurry going out with t shoe. Supper job

alps

mahoney_j wrote: »

Just wish there was a common sense approach taken to slurry dates ,system
As is is a joke working with calendar dates and little notice taken ofvweather .imo you should be allowed spread slurry any day of year weather and ground condition dependant .slurry is a very valuable nutrient that most farmers want to use to full value .ridicolus that u can spread slurry on 14 October but 24 hours later your not .ridicolous .
Saying that all my tanks are empty

The reason being that the whole country was classified a NVZ ......A cop out by leadership because they couldn't be listening to the hassle of having some in and some out...

freedominacup

mahoney_j wrote: »

.slurry is a very valuable nutrient that most farmers want to use to full value .

I don't think you're right in this mj. Contractors look at me like I have two heads when I insist on accurate spreading. They tell me most customers just want it fired out somewhere handy to the tank.

Buford T. Justice XIX

alps wrote: »

Where do you guys get ground to spread on at this time of the year? We've just started to close paddocks with last 2 days, but everything else has a cover of grass on it. Kept dirty water after cows during Sept so not too full.....but not a chance to put slurry anywhere up to now...

I've nothing out with the last week so there will be over a weeks grazing ground to be done and the rest goes onto the land at the end of the grazing rotation. There will probably be a good sup of water coming in the next week or so after the hurricane in the US so it will be well washed in by the time the cows get around to it.

It might make getting a bit of FYM out a bit tricky though.

Reggie.

Yes I need an extension

All tanks empty here

visatorro

All contractors here flat out sowing winter wheat and Even baling the last of the straw. I've to hook on the tank myself tomorrow. Have kids birthday party tomorrow and an working most days between this and 15Th. Will be tight I suppose but have no choice. Not a huge amount of slurry but It'll take me a while because I haven't the machinery fit to move lots of stuff.
Waiting on a fella to spread dung aswell. Another example of being over reliant on contractors. The late harvest had its knock on affects with me anyway.

Mooooo

A two week extension would give me flexibility

visatorro wrote: »

All contractors here flat out sowing winter wheat and Even baling the last of the straw. I've to hook on the tank myself tomorrow. Have kids birthday party tomorrow and an working most days between this and 15Th. Will be tight I suppose but have no choice. Not a huge amount of slurry but It'll take me a while because I haven't the machinery fit to move lots of stuff.
Waiting on a fella to spread dung aswell. Another example of being over reliant on contractors. The late harvest had its knock on affects with me anyway.

Have you tried lads outside of your usual guys? If you have a block of ground to cover get in a lad with an umbilical they'll be in and out fast

emaherx

A two week extension would give me flexibility

I said wrote: »

All out with umbilical last week the way forward tankers are on the way out me thinks

Nice to have land close to the yard. Don't think tankers will ever be replaced around here as land is very disjointed.

Mooooo

A two week extension would give me flexibility

alps wrote: »

Where do you guys get ground to spread on at this time of the year? We've just started to close paddocks with last 2 days, but everything else has a cover of grass on it. Kept dirty water after cows during Sept so not too full.....but not a chance to put slurry anywhere up to now...

Spread after cows with umbilical 2 weeks ago. Will be a while before cows get back in there again and put watery stuff out in paddocks with a bit of cover. Had plenty rain after anyway. Will put the rest and dung out on where heifers and dries are as it's hungrier ground when finishing

Muckit

Yes I need an extension

Reggie. wrote: »

All tanks empty here

Have you two septic tanks??

visatorro

Mooooo wrote: »

Have you tried lads outside of your usual guys? If you have a block of ground to cover get in a lad with an umbilical they'll be in and out fast

Have a couple of numbers I'll try. It's a couple of feet in a few tanks. Probably too much rooting around for the pipes. Have started using pipes here over last couple of winters and think they are a great job.

Mooooo

A two week extension would give me flexibility

visatorro wrote: »

Mooooo wrote: »

Have you tried lads outside of your usual guys? If you have a block of ground to cover get in a lad with an umbilical they'll be in and out fast

Have a couple of numbers I'll try. It's a couple of feet in a few tanks. Probably too much rooting around for the pipes. Have started using pipes here over last couple of winters and think they are a great job.

I got them to work out of three tanks. 2 were close together and the third was a small bit further away but was heading the same direction out of the yard. They are a great job esp on heavy ground.

Reggie.

Yes I need an extension

Muckit wrote: »

Have you two septic tanks??

4 slatted tanks ya cheeky pup

Muckit

Yes I need an extension

Mooooo wrote: »

Spread after cows with umbilical 2 weeks ago. Will be a while before cows get back in there again and put watery stuff out in paddocks with a bit of cover. Had plenty rain after anyway. Will put the rest and dung out on where heifers and dries are as it's hungrier ground when finishing

If that lad had a dribble bar at end of hose you could nearly leave cows in the field. Actually works better on ground with cover.

Muckit

Yes I need an extension

Reggie. wrote: »

4 slatted tanks ya cheeky pup

Ah go way outa that. I seen you driving up and down your lawn with ride on and garden hose attached and other end stuck in septic tank. Umbilical you called it

Mooooo

A two week extension would give me flexibility

Muckit wrote: »

Mooooo wrote: »

Spread after cows with umbilical 2 weeks ago. Will be a while before cows get back in there again and put watery stuff out in paddocks with a bit of cover. Had plenty rain after anyway. Will put the rest and dung out on where heifers and dries are as it's hungrier ground when finishing

If that lad had a dribble bar at end of hose you could nearly leave cows in the field. Actually works better on ground with cover.

This lad has injector, he said the same works best with ground with cover as pipe is lifted over slurry by the grass. In my case there was no need had a couple of paddocks bared tight so splash plate was fine. Only issue with it in spring or if ground is soft is it can add close to a tonne in weight to the tractor

Reggie.

Yes I need an extension

Muckit wrote: »

Ah go way outa that. I seen you driving up and down your lawn with ride on and garden hose attached and other end stuck in septic tank. Umbilical you called it

It worked didn't it

TITANIUM.

Yes I need an extension

Reggie. wrote: »

Muckit wrote: »

Have you two septic tanks??

4 slatted tanks ya cheeky pup

And I thought you were small in scale. Rearing a few calves every year. I've no pity for you now with your 4 tanks.
Tough luck on the old tip by the way. As bad as the job is it does come in handy for abit of paid SL if you get hurt.
Take it handy for awhile now and winter yourself well.

alps

3000gals/acre.....dead worms everywhere. With the density of dead worms on the surface you would have to imagine it would have a massive effect on the population.
Any way to avoid this?

Muckit

Yes I need an extension

Thanks for posting that photo. Another reason to go dribble bar or trailing shoe. Splash plate seals the ground. The other systems leave it in lines so oxygen gets down into soil.

No earthworm and soil structure suffers affecting drainage, nutrients uptake and grass growth.

Buford T. Justice XIX

alps wrote: »

3000gals/acre.....dead worms everywhere. With the density of dead worms on the surface you would have to imagine it would have a massive effect on the population.
Any way to avoid this?

No way to avoid it but you can minimise it by reducing the volume of slurry/acre.

Reggie.

Yes I need an extension

TITANIUM. wrote: »

And I thought you were small in scale. Rearing a few calves every year. I've no pity for you now with your 4 tanks.
Tough luck on the old tip by the way. As bad as the job is it does come in handy for abit of paid SL if you get hurt.
Take it handy for awhile now and winter yourself well.

I am but its the FIL farm that i am on about. My sandbox is just a few calves. He has 100+ cattle

Yeah the SL is the good part of the job and one less worry. The unit has pretty much left me alone and whenever I'm back in back

alps

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

No way to avoid it but you can minimise it by reducing the volume of slurry/acre.

Could different conditions and time of day help.
This was applied late evening (after the rugby) in abdolute calm conditions. Do the worms come up to the sound og the spatter of the application, or come up in the dark , or are they getting suffucated under the surface?
The day before we spread early in the day in windy conditions and had no kill....

Reggie.

Yes I need an extension

alps wrote: »

Could different conditions and time of day help.
This was applied late evening (after the rugby) in abdolute calm conditions. Do the worms come up to the sound og the spatter of the application, or come up in the dark , or are they getting suffucated under the surface?
The day before we spread early in the day in windy conditions and had no kill....

Worms come up at night to feed and mate. Maybe the slurry burned them once they came up at night

Buford T. Justice XIX

alps wrote: »

Could different conditions and time of day help.
This was applied late evening (after the rugby) in abdolute calm conditions. Do the worms come up to the sound og the spatter of the application, or come up in the dark , or are they getting suffucated under the surface?
The day before we spread early in the day in windy conditions and had no kill....

I struggling to think of where I came across it but I remember reading last year that the amount of earthworms killed in spreading slurry would only be 10% or something like that of the population in the ground.

There would be a lot of earthworms deeper in the ground that wouldn't be affected at all and would have enough air in the soils to survive for ages. Look at the rain that fell last winter and the soils being permanently saturated for 5 months. You'ld imagine that nothing could survive under those conditions but there is still a healthy population of earthworms and insects in the soil still.

I wouldn't be overly concerned tbh.

blue5000

The only time I put it on that heavy is when I plough it in straight away. The slurry seals the surface. Was it cattle or pig slurry Alps?

Who2

blue5000 wrote: »

The only time I put it on that heavy is when I plough it in straight away. The slurry seals the surface. Was it cattle or pig slurry Alps?

what do you call heavy? theres a few lads around me would go to 5k per acre in the one spread and in fairness to them they would all be serious operators.

alps

blue5000 wrote: »

The only time I put it on that heavy is when I plough it in straight away. The slurry seals the surface. Was it cattle or pig slurry Alps?

Cattle from lagoon which has the dairy washings of the whole summer in it. Probably 500 litres of parlour detergent gone in since spring....Probably too diluted be of significance.

Buford'so probably ly correct....plenty more where they came from..but still a frightening sight..

TITANIUM.

Yes I need an extension

Reggie. wrote: »

TITANIUM. wrote: »

And I thought you were small in scale. Rearing a few calves every year. I've no pity for you now with your 4 tanks.
Tough luck on the old tip by the way. As bad as the job is it does come in handy for abit of paid SL if you get hurt.
Take it handy for awhile now and winter yourself well.

I am but its the FIL farm that i am on about. My sandbox is just a few calves. He has 100+ cattle

Christ your a cute operator

Keepgrowing

A two week extension would give me flexibility

freedominacup wrote: »

I don't think you're right in this mj. Contractors look at me like I have two heads when I insist on accurate spreading. They tell me most customers just want it fired out somewhere handy to the tank.

If agree. Pipes here last week and dribble bar out on paddocks. It was our first time using such a method used to be bollixing with out own tankers, phuck of a job when you see their output per hour.

Back to frees point. They were all no bother we'll spread all that till I said I wanted 3500/ acre max. I checked on them a few times and was told I was the second person ever to do so.

Bass Reeves

Got about 50% out in the spring and got the rest out in early September. two tanks can hold about 88K gallons of slurry. Had some silage ground and a field sprayed off for reseeding so that really helped in finding places to spread it.

pedigree 6

alps wrote: »

3000gals/acre.....dead worms everywhere. With the density of dead worms on the surface you would have to imagine it would have a massive effect on the population.
Any way to avoid this?

The worms come up when water falls on top of the ground. You can see this when it rains. It's not that they come up for oxygen, the rainwater will have plenty of oxygen. They come up when they hear it raining to move around quicker to a different place in the moist conditions. They actually need moisture on their skin to breathe (they breathe through their skin). They can actually survive underwater fairly well as long as there's enough oxygen in the water.

Now back to your case with you spreading the slurry in the evening and the worms dying. What happened was they actually smothered on top of the ground.

I'll explained how it happened these were worms that would be in the top six inches of the soil. (Other worms will have been deeper and are ok).
They heard the slurry being spread and as usual thinking this is rain came up from the soil to the surface to move. They came up then but it wasn't rain it was cattle slurry (I presume) which has a fairly high Biological Oxygen Demand anyway which would use up all the oxygen.

https://www.epa.ie/pubs/reports/water/waterqua/iwqmolou/App%207.pdf

Coupled with the time of day near calm conditions with due falling and coupled again with darkness and grass going into respiratory mode and consuming oxygen instead of producing it and also probably a layer of ammonia gas from the slurry and no wind to move it and you have the perfect storm.

The worms just smothered on top of the ground. No oxygen.

Waffletraktor

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Back to frees point. They were all no bother we'll spread all that till I said I wanted 3500/ acre max. I checked on them a few times and was told I was the second person ever to do so.

How do they meter it, would there be a flow meter on the line? Or just experience of output of pump to a fair bit of accuracy and then field sizes on the other end.
Reminds me of spreading slurry it was normally wait and see how many loads for the 1st field and adjust feat accordingly.

Contractor here has 3 bunnings on weight cells for spreading stuff like paper mulch and sludge, spreads fym in Jan/Feb on milling wheats.

Mooooo

A two week extension would give me flexibility

They'd know the output of pump and adjust forward speed to suit I assume. Thicker slurry may sketch skew it a bit.

Reggie.

Yes I need an extension

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Christ your a cute operator

How so

Keepgrowing

A two week extension would give me flexibility

Waffletraktor wrote: »

How do they meter it, would there be a flow meter on the line? Or just experience of output of pump to a fair bit of accuracy and then field sizes on the other end.
Reminds me of spreading slurry it was normally wait and see how many loads for the 1st field and adjust feat accordingly.

Contractor here has 3 bunnings on weight cells for spreading stuff like paper mulch and sludge, spreads fym in Jan/Feb on milling wheats.

Meter in tractor cab. Paddocks are gps mapped. I'd say it took a few goes to figure out correct ground speed in the beginning. Ground speed same as tanker only difference is it stays spreading at all times

whelan2

Yes I need an extension

Had a call from my county council inspector at milking time yesterday evening to say they will be around sometime during the closed period. Now ffs the closed period hasnt even started, more stress on me. Are other counties like this?

Reggie.

Yes I need an extension

whelan2 wrote: »

Had a call from my county council inspector at milking time yesterday evening to say they will be around sometime during the closed period. Now ffs the closed period hasnt even started, more stress on me. Are other counties like this?

Someone report ya?

whelan2

Yes I need an extension

Reggie. wrote: »

Someone report ya?

No , he does this every year, to keep us on our toes. Pain in the hole

RightTurnClyde

whelan2 wrote: »

No , he does this every year, to keep us on our toes. Pain in the hole

Is he like this with other farmers. Have you had pollution issues before. If not I'd be firing him a solicitors letter for harassment. That's horsesh1t what he's at. Put him on the backfoot for a while. I wouldn't take treatment like that if I was you. He's a bully.

RightTurnClyde

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Meter in tractor cab. Paddocks are gps mapped. I'd say it took a few goes to figure out correct ground speed in the beginning. Ground speed same as tanker only difference is it stays spreading at all times

Why is gps mapping needed. I would have thought meter and ground speed would be enough info.

whelan2

Yes I need an extension

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Is he like this with other farmers. Have you had pollution issues before. If not I'd be firing him a solicitors letter for harassment. That's horsesh1t what he's at. Put him on the backfoot for a while. I wouldn't take treatment like that if I was you. He's a bully.

He's retiring next year thank fook. We have a river going through the farm only pollution in it in the last few years was from the county council themselves