A solution to immigration

skywanderer

I know alot of immigrants here in Ireland many EU migrant workers, many legal non-EU workers and also illegal non-EU nationals.

They all have one thing in common and that is taking money out of Ireland, they all work here, live a minimal existence and contribute very little in terms of spending to the economy besides their basic essentials and living. Alot take their holidays back to their home countries, many are saving here to build and buy property back home and are supporting extended families etc.

What needs to happen is we need to tackle illegal immigration and prevent illegal immigrants from undercutting workers here, they provide cheap and easy labour for unscrupulous employers who exploit them and pay them tiny wages.

These workers then send their money back out of the country usually via Western Union, MoneyGram and smallworldfs as they have no access to bank accounts. These services do only minimal checks and what is needed is to tighten up on illegal immigration is to make it as unattractive as possible.

There needs to be enormous fines for employers hiring illegals and large rewards for whistle blowers. You should not be able to send money out of Ireland without your PPS no. being monitored, this would shut the door to illegals sending remittances out of Ireland. It would also curb alot of the black economy which is so ruthlessly exploited by criminal gangs and EU migrants also who work here also without paying any tax or contribution.

If its not financially attractive then it will curb immigration and allow Irish people and legal workers here to work on a fair and balanced playing field.

weisses

It seems you are mixing up a couple of things ...... Try again

jamesbere

Oh us Irish never did this. America, England etc

skywanderer

jamesbere wrote: »

Oh us Irish never did this. America, England etc

If you father killed someone, are you then fair game to be killed by someone else?

dinorebel

skywanderer wrote: »

If you father killed someone, are you then fair game to be killed by someone else?

only if you're Albanian.

skywanderer

skywanderer wrote: »

I know alot of immigrants here in Ireland many EU migrant workers, many legal non-EU workers and also illegal non-EU nationals.
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and large rewards for whistle blowers.

That why you're waiting?

jamesbere

skywanderer wrote: »

If you father killed someone, are you then fair game to be killed by someone else?

What are you on about, how can you compare immigration to murder.

Shenshen

As long as the price we pay here for tea, coffee and clothes doesn't translate into a living wage for people in the countries producing them I don't see anything unfair in anyone sending honestly earned money home to support their relatives who can't get by on those wages.

Swings and roundabouts.

WesternZulu

Would you like the same restrictions apply to Irish people abroad?

Birneybau

Finally, all our problems solved. With regards to immigration anyway.

Winterlong

Donald - that you?

VinLieger

skywanderer wrote: »

They all have one thing in common and that is taking money out of Ireland, they all work here, live a minimal existence and contribute very little in terms of spending to the economy besides their basic essentials and living. Alot take their holidays back to their home countries, many are saving here to build and buy property back home and are supporting extended families etc.

You have studies, facts and evidence to support this claim?

OldNotWIse

What about Irish people creaming it abroad and coming home with the money? My cousin worked in Saudi for 6 years and came home and bought a house with cash. I don't see the Saudi government calling her an illegal immigrant or berating her for taking the money out of the country.

Your whole post is so "comin over here, takin' our jobs, takin' our women", it's hilarious.

And if you're unhappy with your wage then talk to your employer about an increase that reflects your skillset, experience and qualifications, rather than blaming it on the "illegal immigrants".

Your Face

skywanderer!

ScumLord

I don't know any EU migrant workers still planning on going home. I've heard plenty of stories of the guy working his balls off and sending everything home to build a house. I don't know if I'd believe it half the time.

ohnonotgmail

skywanderer wrote: »

I know alot of immigrants here in Ireland many EU migrant workers, many legal non-EU workers and also illegal non-EU nationals.

They all have one thing in common and that is taking money out of Ireland, they all work here, live a minimal existence and contribute very little in terms of spending to the economy besides their basic essentials and living. Alot take their holidays back to their home countries, many are saving here to build and buy property back home and are supporting extended families etc.

What needs to happen is we need to tackle illegal immigration and prevent illegal immigrants from undercutting workers here, they provide cheap and easy labour for unscrupulous employers who exploit them and pay them tiny wages.

These workers then send their money back out of the country usually via Western Union, MoneyGram and smallworldfs as they have no access to bank accounts. These services do only minimal checks and what is needed is to tighten up on illegal immigration is to make it as unattractive as possible.

There needs to be enormous fines for employers hiring illegals and large rewards for whistle blowers. You should not be able to send money out of Ireland without your PPS no. being monitored, this would shut the door to illegals sending remittances out of Ireland. It would also curb alot of the black economy which is so ruthlessly exploited by criminal gangs and EU migrants also who work here also without paying any tax or contribution.

If its not financially attractive then it will curb immigration and allow Irish people and legal workers here to work on a fair and balanced playing field.

so how many of these illegal aliens are in this country and how much money are they sending home?

VinLieger

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so how many of these illegal aliens are in this country and how much money are they sending home?

Maybe we should start making a list.........

biko

The best solution - only allow hot chicks to immigrate. I volunteer to oversee the vetting.

Grayson

biko wrote: »

The best solution - only allow hot chicks to immigrate. I volunteer to oversee the vetting.

You'll need a team. There's far too many to "vet" by yourself.

ohnonotgmail

VinLieger wrote: »

Maybe we should start making a list.........

should we check it twice?

VinLieger

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

should we check it twice?

No need as long as we make sure we only put the people with those funny looking names on it

ohnonotgmail

VinLieger wrote: »

No need as long as we make sure we only put the people with those funny looking names on it

well there goes my attempt at a joke completely ignored.

MeatTwoVeg

We could pay them in Eirepounds, a special 'immigrant currency' that can only be redeemed on Irish products such as Whiskey, cabbages or those leprechaun beards people wear on Paddy's day.

Problem solved, you're welcome.

ohnonotgmail

MeatTwoVeg wrote: »

We could pay them in Eirepounds, a special 'immigrant currency' that can only be redeemed on Irish products such as Whiskey, cabbages or those leprechaun beards people wear on Paddy's day.

Problem solved, you're welcome.

It would be like the Truck Acts never happened. good times.

Spanish Eyes

Immigrants sent home €1.6 Billion in 2014. That's a lot in anyone's language. Must be more these days, now that we are booming again.

The largest of Ireland’s migrant communities, the Poles, sent back €202 million last year, an average of around €2,000 a head, while, apparently, the 16,500-strong Nigerian community was by far the largest remitter, sending home a deeply questionable €366 million, close to a staggering €22,000 a head. (Can anyone explain?)

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/patrick-smyth-ireland-s-immigrants-sent-home-1-8-billion-last-year-1.2179747

Grayson

VinLieger wrote: »

No need as long as we make sure we only put the people with those funny looking names on it

We'd need foreigners to teach us how to pronounce them. Or we could give them all fancy irish names and hire irish speakers to teach the rest of us how to pronounce them.

ChikiChiki

skywanderer wrote: »

I know alot of immigrants here in Ireland many EU migrant workers, many legal non-EU workers and also illegal non-EU nationals.

They all have one thing in common and that is taking money out of Ireland, they all work here, live a minimal existence and contribute very little in terms of spending to the economy besides their basic essentials and living. Alot take their holidays back to their home countries, many are saving here to build and buy property back home and are supporting extended families etc.

What needs to happen is we need to tackle illegal immigration and prevent illegal immigrants from undercutting workers here, they provide cheap and easy labour for unscrupulous employers who exploit them and pay them tiny wages.

These workers then send their money back out of the country usually via Western Union, MoneyGram and smallworldfs as they have no access to bank accounts. These services do only minimal checks and what is needed is to tighten up on illegal immigration is to make it as unattractive as possible.

There needs to be enormous fines for employers hiring illegals and large rewards for whistle blowers. You should not be able to send money out of Ireland without your PPS no. being monitored, this would shut the door to illegals sending remittances out of Ireland. It would also curb alot of the black economy which is so ruthlessly exploited by criminal gangs and EU migrants also who work here also without paying any tax or contribution.

If its not financially attractive then it will curb immigration and allow Irish people and legal workers here to work on a fair and balanced playing field.

What a fcuking pile of ****e. Whilst some do exploit the system, many indeed work here and contribute to society.You can't tar all the immigrants with the one brush. Case in point my gf who is has immigrated here from South America. She works as an accountant, pays taxes to the revenue, has lots of Irish friends and gets involved in local community groups and the GAA club. She socialises in Irish bars and spends her disposable income shopping in town.

For all the immigrants that are here solely to milk the system (and should be turfed out quick imo) there is just as many lazy Irish doing the same thing and not being held to task.

Sorry pal but your post in an overly generalising pile of poo. Do some fact checking mate!:pac:

ohnonotgmail

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Immigrants sent home €1.6 Billion in 2014. Must be more today now that we are booming again.

The largest of Ireland’s migrant communities, the Poles, sent back €202 million last year, an average of around €2,000 a head, while, apparently, the 16,500-strong Nigerian community was by far the largest remitter, sending home a deeply questionable €366 million, close to a staggering €22,000 a head. (Can anyone explain?)

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/patrick-smyth-ireland-s-immigrants-sent-home-1-8-billion-last-year-1.2179747

well we can discount the poles and other legal immigrants. they can do what they like with their money. Maybe the nigerian lads are sending money to a prince they met online?

Spanish Eyes

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well we can discount the poles and other legal immigrants. they can do what they like with their money. Maybe the nigerian lads are sending money to a prince they met online?

I don't think the article inferred that the remittances mentioned were sent home by Illegals.

ohnonotgmail

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I don't think the article inferred that the remittances mentioned were sent home by Illegals.

I know. but the op is complaining about money sent home by illegal immigrants.

Spanish Eyes

ChikiChiki wrote: »

What a fcuking pile of ****e. Whilst some do exploit the system, many indeed work here and contribute to society.You can't tar all the immigrants with the one brush. Case in point my gf who is has immigrated here from South America. She works as an accountant, pays taxes to the revenue, has lots of Irish friends and gets involved in local community groups and the GAA club. She socialises in Irish bars and spends her disposable income shopping in town.

For all the immigrants that are here solely to milk the system (and should be turfed out quick imo) there is just as many lazy Irish doing the same thing and not being held to task.

Sorry pal but your post in an overly generalising pile of poo. Do some fact checking mate!:pac:

I don't think the OP was implying that immigrants were "creaming the system".

What I read into it was that many of them work hard and save, but don't spend a lot of their earnings here, instead send them home.

That is borne out by the article quoted in my previous post.

Electric Sheep

And what is your solution to emigration?

ohnonotgmail

Electric Sheep wrote: »

And what is your solution to emigration?

well the solution to that is obviously to create more jobs here. not sure how that is relevant to the discussion though.

Shenshen

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well the solution to that is obviously to create more jobs here. not sure how that is relevant to the discussion though.

And that's going to keep people here who can't stand the weather?
I think you need to be more ambitious there, mate.

ohnonotgmail

Shenshen wrote: »

And that's going to keep people here who can't stand the weather?
I think you need to be more ambitious there, mate.

well i do have a plan to suspend a giant mirror in the sky to reflect more heat onto this country but i'm keeping that under my hat for the moment. until then people can jsut buy themselves a nice jacket. Or take a cue from tynesiders and man up.

MOH

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It would be like the Truck Acts never happened. good times.

Wow. I completely unexpectedly learned something factual from this thread. Thanks!

ohnonotgmail

MOH wrote: »

Wow. I completely unexpectedly learned something factual from this thread. Thanks!

My work here is done.

Pro Hoc Vice

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Immigrants sent home €1.6 Billion in 2014. That's a lot in anyone's language. Must be more these days, now that we are booming again.

The largest of Ireland’s migrant communities, the Poles, sent back €202 million last year, an average of around €2,000 a head, while, apparently, the 16,500-strong Nigerian community was by far the largest remitter, sending home a deeply questionable €366 million, close to a staggering €22,000 a head. (Can anyone explain?)

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/patrick-smyth-ireland-s-immigrants-sent-home-1-8-billion-last-year-1.2179747

If I remember the figures are estimates by the World Bank. The world bank get the figures in the case of Nigeria by taking the figures claimed by the Nigerian state that are world wide remittances per person (its funny when that total is taken as part of GNP, it means Nigeria is the largest in Africa, make that what you will.) The world bank then take that estimate and and multiply the estimate per person by the total estimate of Nigerians in Ireland and come up with the total. Such a figure to mean every man women and child is sending in excess of 22,000 a year say allowing for each to keep the same for themselves on average, it means the maths does not add up.

Fuzzytrooper

skywanderer wrote: »

I know alot of immigrants here in Ireland many EU migrant workers, many legal non-EU workers and also illegal non-EU nationals.

They all have one thing in common and that is taking money out of Ireland, they all work here, live a minimal existence and contribute very little in terms of spending to the economy besides their basic essentials and living. Alot take their holidays back to their home countries, many are saving here to build and buy property back home and are supporting extended families etc.

My wife is an immigrant.

Winterlong

Fuzzytrooper wrote: »

My wife is an immigrant.

So is mine.
But before posting that here I wanted to check the bank statements to see if she has been sending all our money back to her family in London.

OldNotWIse

Fuzzytrooper wrote: »

My wife is an immigrant.

So is my partner. (who incidentally OP, worked on a student visa initially and was not allowed to work more than 20 hours a week, and held down a job where she was paid 9000 a year, a job she had to get two buses to and two buses home from, when a high percentage of Irish adults were getting around 700euro a year more than her (excluding benefits) and not working a single hour)

She sends some money home, mostly because one euro to her living here is worth three times that to her family back home, but she runs a car, pays rent, buys groceries, drinks, socializes, buys clothes, pays for health insurance, sky, internet etc. We often holiday in Ireland too!What are they supposed to do - pledge to keep every penny in the country

VinLieger

Sounds to me we also need a list of foreigners in relationships with Irish people now.

Anyone any other ideas for lists?

ScumLord

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Immigrants sent home €1.6 Billion in 2014. That's a lot in anyone's language. Must be more these days, now that we are booming again.

I wonder how much foreigners imported exported because of business? Shops selling polish goods, or people here trying to sell Irish goods in their home country. Ireland produces some high tech building supplies and eastern Europe is a part of the world developing it's way into the big boys club of European countries.

HensVassal

skywanderer wrote: »

I know alot of immigrants here in Ireland many EU migrant workers, many legal non-EU workers and also illegal non-EU nationals.

They all have one thing in common and that is taking money out of Ireland, they all work here, live a minimal existence and contribute very little in terms of spending to the economy besides their basic essentials and living. Alot take their holidays back to their home countries, many are saving here to build and buy property back home and are supporting extended families etc.

What needs to happen is we need to tackle illegal immigration and prevent illegal immigrants from undercutting workers here, they provide cheap and easy labour for unscrupulous employers who exploit them and pay them tiny wages.

These workers then send their money back out of the country usually via Western Union, MoneyGram and smallworldfs as they have no access to bank accounts. These services do only minimal checks and what is needed is to tighten up on illegal immigration is to make it as unattractive as possible.

There needs to be enormous fines for employers hiring illegals and large rewards for whistle blowers. You should not be able to send money out of Ireland without your PPS no. being monitored, this would shut the door to illegals sending remittances out of Ireland. It would also curb alot of the black economy which is so ruthlessly exploited by criminal gangs and EU migrants also who work here also without paying any tax or contribution.

If its not financially attractive then it will curb immigration and allow Irish people and legal workers here to work on a fair and balanced playing field.

It's their fucking money, they can do what the hell they like with it. "Taking it out of the country!!"
So what do you propose regarding the millions that is taken out of the country by Irish tourists each year and spent abroad? Maybe you should tell them that they can't take any money to Orlando or Thailand or wherever and that they should work once they get to their resort so they can buy a cocktail or a burger.
What about the money coming into the country from Irish abroad? Should that be all sent back as well as the money foreign tourists bring in?
You going to start ripping open what look like birthday cards at the Post Office now just to see if Mrs Murphy is sending 20 quid to little grand-daughter Molly in Surrey?

Inane post.

ohnonotgmail

VinLieger wrote: »

Sounds to me we also need a list of foreigners in relationships with Irish people now.

Anyone any other ideas for lists?

People from Laois. they all have shifty eyes.

Annasopra

VinLieger wrote: »

Sounds to me we also need a list of foreigners in relationships with Irish people now.

Anyone any other ideas for lists?

Socialists,
Trade Unionists,
Jews

ScumLord

VinLieger wrote: »

Sounds to me we also need a list of foreigners in relationships with Irish people now.

Anyone any other ideas for lists?

Sexy foreigners, obviously. Foreigners who can cook (not open to eastern Europeans, I'm thinking more of asians and maybe a few Mexicans).

JL2106

Some EU member states do more to help than others. Ireland is definitely at the lower end. We need to take in much more of those fleeing war and poverty. Much more.

Widdershins

Grayson wrote: »

We'd need foreigners to teach us how to pronounce them. Or we could give them all fancy irish names and hire irish speakers to teach the rest of us how to pronounce them.

The ones who dropped the 'Al' took the soup?

Jimbob1977

When Irish people overstay their visa in the United States, they are 'undocumented'.

They believe that their position is very special, possibly because they are white and speak English.

They are as illegal as any Haitian or Guatamalan.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

If we want to remove illegal immigrants from Ireland, we will have to accept the same treatment from other countries.

Widdershins

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

When Irish people overstay their visa in the United States, they are 'undocumented'.

They believe that their position is very special, possibly because they are white and speak English.

They are as illegal as any Haitian or Guatamalan.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

If we want to remove illegal immigrants from Ireland, we will have to accept the same treatment from other countries.

I completely agree. Everyone should be equally subject to the law.