Budget tractors

twin_beacon

From walking around the ploughing, there were lots of new tractor manufacturers selling "no electrics" tractors for the stock man market. Some brands have been around for a good few years now I suppose. Has anybody ever bought one? Brands like Tumosan, Farmtrac, Hattat, farmer. I seen 2 brand new manufacturers too, cant remember their names, One was beside the tumosan stand.

Has anybody ever bought any of these models? We considered a new tumosan back in 2004 the ones that looked like the 80 series fiats, however we went for a 4 year old massey instead for roughly the same money. I seen a 2003 tumosan with a loader on done deal for 16k, they were 30k new without a loader. Glad we went for the massey.

_Brian

Like all things there is a good bit of brand and reg plate snobbery in some farming circles. I'm sure some is warranted but surely not all.

mayota

twin_beacon wrote: »

From walking around the ploughing, there were lots of new tractor manufacturers selling "no electrics" tractors for the stock man market. Some brands have been around for a good few years now I suppose. Has anybody ever bought one? Brands like Tumosan, Farmtrac, Hattat, farmer. I seen 2 brand new manufacturers too, cant remember their names, One was beside the tumosan stand.

Has anybody ever bought any of these models? We considered a new tumosan back in 2004 the ones that looked like the 80 series fiats, however we went for a 4 year old massey instead for roughly the same money. I seen a 2003 tumosan with a loader on done deal for 16k, they were 30k new without a loader. Glad we went for the massey.

You answered your own question there. I don't think these budget tractors are cheap enough tbh. When zetor were on the go first they were significantly cheaper than the rivals.

Timmaay

With the way the sterling is, and such a huge choice up north and coming over from the UK (and I mean plenty of lowish hrs clean enough tractors), you'd be mad to sink 30/40k into a largely untested "budget" new tractor, which will depreciate like a lead balloon and probably end up unsellable in 5/10yrs time.

Sam Kade

Timmaay wrote: »

With the way the sterling is, and such a huge choice up north and coming over from the UK (and I mean plenty of lowish hrs clean enough tractors), you'd be mad to sink 30/40k into a largely untested "budget" new tractor, which will depreciate like a lead balloon and probably end up unsellable in 5/10yrs time.

Now here's a man talking sense, plenty top quality secondhand tractors from the UK for half the cost of new budget tractors.

roosky

My father bought a farmer tractor out of sligo in 2007, wanted to buy new and couldnt justify a new JD or massey etc........a crock of ****e is an understatement, everything from putting on machinery to moving the seat is hardship with it, my uncle has an 1989 390T and i would swap in a heartbeat

twin_beacon

yep, some great value on 5/6 year old tractors now.

ganmo

What price would a 150hp tractor be?

mythos110

ganmo wrote: »

What price would a 150hp tractor be?

Bit of a pointless open ended question there...

Year/make/hours etc all play a part.

ganmo

mythos110 wrote: »

Bit of a pointless open ended question there...

Year/make/hours etc all play a part.

Year and make I don't care about. Hours around 10k

kevthegaff

murpho999 wrote:

That blonde No 10 for Barcelona looks very handy to me despite the commentator insisting that he's messy.

ganmo wrote:

Year and make I don't care about. Hours around 10k

Was quoted a case 155 2004 high hours but we'll minded at 24 k

ganmo

kevthegaff wrote: »

Was quoted a case 155 2004 high hours but we'll minded at 24 k

what would you call high hours?

MickeyShtyles

ganmo wrote: »

what would you call high hours?

We've got 329 on an '11.
So probably higher than that.

kevthegaff

ganmo wrote:

what would you call high hours?

Not sure but reckon 8k, friend was quoted at dealer

josephsoap

roosky wrote: »

a crock of ****e is an understatement

I love your description of the 'budget' tractor brand

Nekarsulm

Euro currently around 85p Sterling, and likely to goo to 95p in the next few months (according to someone on radio yesterday).
So might be worth holding off buying anything from UK for a while. 10% cheaper is not to be sniffed at!
Bought sheep wire up North yesterday, and was surprised to find it was 15 Euro a roll cheaper than back in the spring.

Reggie.

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Euro currently around 85p Sterling, and likely to goo to 95p in the next few months (according to someone on radio yesterday).
So might be worth holding off buying anything from UK for a while. 10% cheaper is not to be sniffed at!
Bought sheep wire up North yesterday, and was surprised to find it was 15 Euro a roll cheaper than back in the spring.

Stock pile up supplies over the winter

Username John

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Euro currently around 85p Sterling, and likely to goo to 95p in the next few months (according to someone on radio yesterday).
So might be worth holding off buying anything from UK for a while. 10% cheaper is not to be sniffed at!
Bought sheep wire up North yesterday, and was surprised to find it was 15 Euro a roll cheaper than back in the spring.

But you can't claim back VAT on that wire now can you?

Ten Pin

But you can't claim back VAT on that wire now can you?

I think you can once it's an EU country you buy from.

ganmo

Ten Pin wrote: »

I think you can once it's an EU country you buy from.

only if you're vat registered i think

Nekarsulm

No, he asked me if I "wanted the VAT on that", so i said no. Payed by cheque, got receipt etc. Keen price for 100m rolls of 8-80-15 high tensile I thought.

maidhc

We bought a new TS115 in 2000 for about IEP38,000. It is now worth something between €25,000 and €30,000 (v. clean, low hours, no turbo, SL). It has also done 16 years of work, including all the silage baling, slurry and anything else we had.

I bought a relatively high spec 2001 Mercedes a few years ago for €2,500. I got the original invoice with the car for IEP40,000!

Tractors are ridiculously cheap compared to cars. I wouldn't touch a budget brand for resaleability reasons.

ganmo

maidhc wrote: »

We bought a new TS115 in 2000 for about IEP38,000. It is now worth something between €25,000 and €30,000 (v. clean, low hours, no turbo, SL). It has also done 16 years of work, including all the silage baling, slurry and anything else we had.

I bought a relatively high spec 2001 Mercedes a few years ago for €2,500. I got the original invoice with the car for IEP40,000!

Tractors are ridiculously cheap compared to cars. I wouldn't touch a budget brand for resaleability reasons.

resaleability doesn't matter much if you plan on running it into the ground

maidhc

ganmo wrote: »

resaleability doesn't matter much if you plan on running it into the ground

You can't run a tractor into the ground if it is maintained properly. Also, parts availability is going to be a big deal, and you are safer in this respect with a well known brand.

ganmo

maidhc wrote: »

You can't run a tractor into the ground if it is maintained properly. Also, parts availability is going to be a big deal, and you are safer in this respect with a well known brand.

I meant if you're not planning on selling anytime soon 20 years or so and alot changes in 20 years.
I've no idea of differences in part availability but I suspect the budget tractors are more likely to use generic parts and less parts too

maidhc

ganmo wrote: »

I meant if you're not planning on selling anytime soon 20 years or so and alot changes in 20 years.
I've no idea of differences in part availability but I suspect the budget tractors are more likely to use generic parts and less parts too

You can get most parts cheaply for a 1960s Ford or Deere, try doing the same with a Universal or Ursus.

Pat 36059

Good tractors hold there value for a reason ,there good, Sh-te is always Sh-te. By good by once

ganmo

maidhc wrote: »

You can get most parts cheaply for a 1960s Ford or Deere, try doing the same with a Universal or Ursus.

Do ya think it's Deere or ford making them?
If there were enough ursus/universal around someone would make the parts

lalababa

Anybody want to reply to op question with some hard facts. Perhaps people who have Actually bought cheap and new in the last 10 + years ?

MickeyShtyles

ganmo wrote: »

Do ya think it's Deere or ford making them?
If there were enough ursus/universal around someone would make the parts

Deere have a 5acre warehouse over in Mannheim in Germany full of all those old parts.

sob1467

lalababa wrote: »

Anybody want to reply to op question with some hard facts. Perhaps people who have Actually bought cheap and new in the last 10 + years ?

We picked up a two year old Tumosan around 2004, at two years old. Admittedly it had already lost a great deal in depreciation in those two years, you're alking around two thirds of the cost of it depreciated.

Tractor is 85hp and wouldn't be doing a lot of heavy work, use contractors for everything from slurry to silage.

Would mainly be used for blocked silage 5 months of year, as well as bales, topping, spreading, drawing light trailers and rolling etc.

Does the job, very easy on juice, only few issues since we got it, lift went that and had bit of job done in handbrake. Have spent no more than around 300a year between servicing and repairs, since I got it.

Best thing about it is it's basically like a 90s fiat, almost nothing electrical, fiat parts can be used no bother. Would prefer the older version fiatish tumosans than the newer models, for ease of getting parts etc.

All in all it does the job, haven't had serious problems with it and would buy it again if I had option but with a new one, depreciation is the main problem with these types of tractors.

Timmaay

sob1467 wrote: »

We picked up a two year old Tumosan around 2004, at two years old. Admittedly it had already lost a great deal in depreciation in those two years, you're alking around two thirds of the cost of it depreciated.

Tractor is 85hp and wouldn't be doing a lot of heavy work, use contractors for everything from slurry to silage.

Would mainly be used for blocked silage 5 months of year, as well as bales, topping, spreading, drawing light trailers and rolling etc.

Does the job, very easy on juice, only few issues since we got it, lift went that and had bit of job done in handbrake. Have spent no more than around 300a year between servicing and repairs, since I got it.

Best thing about it is it's basically like a 90s fiat, almost nothing electrical, fiat parts can be used no bother. Would prefer the older version fiatish tumosans than the newer models, for ease of getting parts etc.

All in all it does the job, haven't had serious problems with it and would buy it again if I had option but with a new one, depreciation is the main problem with these types of tractors.

If it's basically a 90s Fiat how is it getting around current emissions legislation?

gctest50

Sam Kade wrote: »

Now here's a man talking sense, plenty top quality secondhand tractors from the UK for half the cost of new budget tractors.

and

“The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.”

blue5000

Timmaay wrote: »

With the way the sterling is, and such a huge choice up north and coming over from the UK (and I mean plenty of lowish hrs clean enough tractors), you'd be mad to sink 30/40k into a largely untested "budget" new tractor, which will depreciate like a lead balloon and probably end up unsellable in 5/10yrs time.

Even better value this morning. Wonder will it be worth holding on or buy it now?

ganmo

blue5000 wrote: »

Even better value this morning. Wonder will it be worth holding on or buy it now?

I'm hearing hold on, they're talking about 1:1 soon

Reggie.

blue5000 wrote: »

Even better value this morning. Wonder will it be worth holding on or buy it now?

That's the big question ain't it

Reggie.

ganmo wrote: »

I'm hearing hold on, they're talking about 1:1 soon

Jaysys.....hardly?

ganmo

Reggie. wrote: »

Jaysys.....hardly?

I hope not but thats the talk.
the company i worked for export alot to england :(

Timmaay

blue5000 wrote: »

Even better value this morning. Wonder will it be worth holding on or buy it now?

Indeed! A related question, how hard is it to sell a tractor privately here ha?? Landini 05 vision105 with a quickie loader, tidy tractor but has 8500hrs on it!

blue5000

Reggie. wrote: »

That's the big question ain't it

It depends what you are buying, their raw material costs for new stuff will rise, but used should be good, unless demand increases from 3rd countries.

Reggie.

Timmaay wrote: »

Indeed! A related question, how hard is it to sell a tractor privately here ha?? Landini 05 vision105 with a quickie loader, tidy tractor but has 8500hrs on it!

Throw it up on donedeal and find out

tellmeabit

Anyone have any dealing with tractors from north or England ? Any decent websites to view stock?

king_m

tellmeabit wrote: »

Anyone have any dealing with tractors from north or England ? Any decent websites to view stock?

I was about to enquire with the same question.... have a same explorer 80 turning 30 next year and considering a up grade....

kevthegaff

tellmeabit wrote:

Anyone have any dealing with tractors from north or England ? Any decent websites to view stock?

Nelson alexander, dont know how reliable but big stock

kevthegaff

Alexander mills also

jimmy G M

Randal Nelson - Mid Antrim Tractor sales. Bought 2 off him over the years. Straight to deal with.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Timmaay wrote: »

Indeed! A related question, how hard is it to sell a tractor privately here ha?? Landini 05 vision105 with a quickie loader, tidy tractor but has 8500hrs on it!

That's only doing 750 hrs a year, it should be easy enough I imagine.

Never wrestle with pigs

Timmaay wrote: »

If it's basically a 90s Fiat how is it getting around current emissions legislation?

It's not. It "looks" like a fiat, that's it. Next time you see one just look at the finish on the mudguards, doors, sit of the bonnet, lack of any stamp on the engine to hide make.