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wiggy123

why can reports not be generated anymore.. so you can see your most recent star ratings for your female stock...

tanko

If you go into profiles, them beef eurostar does that not show the latest figures for all your animals?

bullnuts

tanko wrote: »

If you go into profiles, them beef eurostar does that not show the latest figures for all your animals?

Does this require joining the herd plus?

tanko

bullnuts wrote: »

Does this require joining the herd plus?

Yeah, it does.

Bellview

You can generate a suckler cow report. It won't give you all the stars but you will get the cows

bullnuts

tanko wrote: »

Yeah, it does.

Wasn't it agreed previous that all farmers in the scheme were privilege to this information free ?

sonnybill

bullnuts wrote: »

Wasn't it agreed previous that all farmers in the scheme were privilege to this information free ?

No limited access only with that text no. They gave us, full info is E60 a year,

tanko

bullnuts wrote: »

Wasn't it agreed previous that all farmers in the scheme were privilege to this information free ?

I'm in herdplus and pay €60 a year so can look at it anytime. I've a couple of neighbours in the genomics scheme who aren't in herdplus and I do look up the info on the cows and heifers in their herds for them. They don't seem to get sent information on their cattle very often.

J.O. Farmer

tanko wrote: »

I'm in herdplus and pay €60 a year so can look at it anytime. I've a couple of neighbours in the genomics scheme who aren't in herdplus and I do look up the info on the cows and heifers in their herds for them. They don't seem to get sent information on their cattle very often.

Are you saying with herd plus you can look up information on any cattle regardless of the herd owner.
Say that myself and dad have 2 herds the €60 will be enough to get all the information on cattle in both herds.

TPF2012

wiggy123 wrote: »

why can reports not be generated anymore.. so you can see your most recent star ratings for your female stock...

Star rating report were able to be generated. I did a few this year and last, but it seems to be removed now. I am not in herdplus just bdgp.

bullnuts

TPF2012 wrote: »

Star rating report were able to be generated. I did a few this year and last, but it seems to be removed now. I am not in herdplus just bdgp.

It's a blatant attempt to force farmers to pay for their reports despite being paid already from the scheme! They covered any challenge to this by making data available for each individual animal!

wiggy123

thought that... use to get reports...

50HX

i'm signed up to it and can no longer run the euro star report

anyone else the same??

blue5000

50HX wrote: »

i'm signed up to it and can no longer run the euro star report

anyone else the same??

Just tried there now and 'no information available' popped up. They could be doing an upgrade or something like that.

tanko

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Are you saying with herd plus you can look up information on any cattle regardless of the herd owner.
Say that myself and dad have 2 herds the €60 will be enough to get all the information on cattle in both herds.

If you're in herdplus you can look at the eurostars of any female animal if that animal is in a BDGP herd once you have the tag number.
You can look up the details of any bull whether the bull is in a BDGP herd or not.

Welding Rod

50HX wrote: »

i'm signed up to it and can no longer run the euro star report

anyone else the same??

I'm signed to herd plus. I ran off my euro report during the week and downloaded to excel. It was certainly working a few days ago.
If I hadn't that facility available to me I would call them and demand my 60 back with interest.

OverRide

People pay the ICBF to find out how well their cows are milking?

My

Farrell

Pity how progeny info is no longer available once you sell the dam

tanko

Farrell wrote: »

Pity how progeny info is no longer available once you sell the dam

If the sold dam has any calves in your herd you can click on her tag number in the beef eurostar profile when looking at the calves info and see how her calves killed out.

Farrell

tanko wrote: »

If the sold dam has any calves in your herd you can click on her tag number in the beef eurostar profile when looking at the calves info and see how her calves killed out.

But when that calf goes, so does your info

tanko

Farrell wrote: »

But when that calf goes, so does your info

True. ICBF would have the info for progeny of sold cows, you could ring them and ask for it i suppose.

Farrell

tanko wrote: »

True. ICBF would have the info for progeny of sold cows, you could ring them and ask for it i suppose.

When you're a member, you'd think the option should be available without having to ring

Bellview

Farrell wrote:

When you're a member, you'd think the option should be available without having to ring

With icbf I always find they can do stuff but there is always a fee.. one of reasons why I cancelled the tag contribution this year

FeelTheBern

Think whole story with ICBF and the BDGP scheme summed up in letter I got from them last week. Amongst other things their Chief Executive was asking me to ensure that I complied with my obligations by ensuring that all calving surveys are completed as accurately as possible..... except they managed to misspell accurately as "accuretely"... If that's the attention to detail they have no wonder euro star ratings are flying in every direction.

Bellview

www.independent.ie/business/farming/beef/beef-farmers-demand-action-on-data-cheats-35099862.html

thankfully at least 3 societies came out and asked for a response from ICBF today.. these cases were from maternal bull program run by ICBF so ICBF could have kicked these breeders out & also removed them from buying a bull for the next 3 - 5 years as penalty... instead ICBf decided to tar every pedigree breeder with same brush.

no doubt ICBF will churn some feedback in the next two weeks through IFJ

KatyMac

I joined a KT scheme and had to sign up to herdplus as part of the t&cs - what a swizz. Give with one hand and grab back with the other.

tanko

KatyMac wrote: »

I joined a KT scheme and had to sign up to herdplus as part of the t&cs - what a swizz. Give with one hand and grab back with the other.

I'm fairly sure that it wasn't compulsory for you to sign up to herdplus in order to join a KT discussion group. I think it was for the last discussion groups.

Farrell

tanko wrote: »

I'm fairly sure that it wasn't compulsory for you to sign up to herdplus in order to join a KT discussion group. I think it was for the last discussion groups.

Sadly tanko, under the KT, you are supposed to be subscribed to Herdplus (so presentation said), & you've to do a profit monitor.
Isn't Genomics the same, but you can always hold out until you're made join

KatyMac

tanko wrote: »

I'm fairly sure that it wasn't compulsory for you to sign up to herdplus in order to join a KT discussion group. I think it was for the last discussion groups.

Wish that were true, told we had to, just got the paperwork to fill up so a profit monitor can be done and don't get me started on carbon navigator - young one asked was it some kind of treasure hunt. We all know a calf per cow per year is our aim, don't need a printout telling us that.
Had a KT meeting the other week sitting on hay bales in a shed in9almost) the dark. Was thinking why couldn't we have had the meeting in the Teagasc office, not as if we were there to see anything in particular. Really looking forward to when the meeting comes to my farm - open side hayshed with no electric light. Think I've learned a lot more since joining F&F than I'm ever going to get from these meetings.

charolais0153

KatyMac wrote: »

Wish that were true, told we had to, just got the paperwork to fill up so a profit monitor can be done and don't get me started on carbon navigator - young one asked was it some kind of treasure hunt. We all know a calf per cow per year is our aim, don't need a printout telling us that.
Had a KT meeting the other week sitting on hay bales in a shed in9almost) the dark. Was thinking why couldn't we have had the meeting in the Teagasc office, not as if we were there to see anything in particular. Really looking forward to when the meeting comes to my farm - open side hayshed with no electric light. Think I've learned a lot more since joining F&F than I'm ever going to get from these meetings.

I hate that **** . if there going to bring you out to the farm at least demonstrate something. Have two bales of silage open 65dmd and 75dmd and let the farmers decide which silage they think is best. Rotational grazinCondition scoring of lambs/cattle.etc So much more could b done. I usually go to the meetings but couldn't be arsed so let the auld lad off on his own.

Farrell

charolais0153 wrote: »

I hate that **** . if there going to bring you out to the farm at least demonstrate something. Have two bales of silage open 65dmd and 75dmd and let the farmers decide which silage they think is best. Rotational grazinCondition scoring of lambs/cattle.etc So much more could b done. I usually go to the meetings but couldn't be arsed so let the auld lad off on his own.

Livestock health, H&S, & Winter Nutrition are topics our group have to cover.
Also meetings don't have to be on a farm this time, but helps

KatyMac

Farrell wrote: »

Also meetings don't have to be on a farm this time, but helps

Might help if there was something to see, but we literally were sitting in a circle on hay bales in a shed with very bad lighting. Were working out fodder budgets and could bearly see the formula we were supposed to use. The only upside as far as I was concerned was that it wasn't cold. Grand if we visit in daylight and have something to see but otherwise a nice warm, dry hall somewhere would suit better. I spend enough time outside in the cold, dark, wet.

Hurling Hereford

KatyMac wrote: »

Might help if there was something to see, but we literally were sitting in a circle on hay bales in a shed with very bad lighting. Were working out fodder budgets and could bearly see the formula we were supposed to use. The only upside as far as I was concerned was that it wasn't cold. Grand if we visit in daylight and have something to see but otherwise a nice warm, dry hall somewhere would suit better. I spend enough time outside in the cold, dark, wet.

Just report this to 'the powers that be' and tell them it ain't on. So much for Health and Safety for starters!

RD10

sent a few cows to factory last week. i'm wondering can information still be got on icbf about these cows even though their gone?
i've a few daughters belonging to some of them still in the herd.

Farrell

RD10 wrote: »

sent a few cows to factory last week. i'm wondering can information still be got on icbf about these cows even though their gone?
i've a few daughters belonging to some of them still in the herd.

They'd be gone, but in Beef euro-star, it should give dam & sire as links

tanko

RD10 wrote: »

sent a few cows to factory last week. i'm wondering can information still be got on icbf about these cows even though their gone?
i've a few daughters belonging to some of them still in the herd.

Yeah, the info on the cows can still be got a long as they have a daughter in your herd. When you look at the beef eurostar list in profiles, to the right of the daughters tag number will be the dams number, just click on that.

RD10

thanks for that. i think i would have to re-subscribe to herd plus to view their details.

essgee268

has any one any explanation how a month old bull calf has a replacement index of 111 but his full sister nearly 2 had 122. this is a calf that I think the world of from a bull that I retained straws off especially for his mother

charolais0153

essgee268 wrote: »

has any one any explanation how a month old bull calf has a replacement index of 111 but his full sister nearly 2 had 122. this is a calf that I think the world of from a bull that I retained straws off especially for his mother

Were they genotype d

essgee268

charolais0153 wrote: »

Were they genotype d

il check tomorrow

PMU

KatyMac wrote: »

Might help if there was something to see, but we literally were sitting in a circle on hay bales in a shed with very bad lighting. Were working out fodder budgets and could bearly see the formula we were supposed to use. The only upside as far as I was concerned was that it wasn't cold. Grand if we visit in daylight and have something to see but otherwise a nice warm, dry hall somewhere would suit better. I spend enough time outside in the cold, dark, wet.

was this teagasc or some other advisory service

Bellview

essgee268 wrote:

has any one any explanation how a month old bull calf has a replacement index of 111 but his full sister nearly 2 had 122. this is a calf that I think the world of from a bull that I retained straws off especially for his mother

This happens a lot full brothers and sisters with different scores. I know of a set of twins both different scores and neither had been genotyped. When owner as icbf rep at an open meeting why. The answer given back was one must have been born before the other. That was so insightful

essgee268

heifer was genotyped but it didn't make much change on official and genomic

Bigbird1

Hi there. Just wondering how proven these replacment bulls are, so i just checked ZAG. Am i right in think that he has 15540 daughters calved ?? It seems very high

alps

Bigbird1 wrote: »

Hi there. Just wondering how proven these replacment bulls are, so i just checked ZAG. Am i right in think that he has 15540 daughters calved ?? It seems very high

Massive usage...

It means that 15540 dams had their first registered calf sired by him.

He must have a massive reliability easy calving score when so many have used him on heifers

charolais0153

Bigbird1 wrote: »

Hi there. Just wondering how proven these replacment bulls are, so i just checked ZAG. Am i right in think that he has 15540 daughters calved ?? It seems very high

No. 15540 zag calves

charolais0153

Bigbird1 wrote: »

Hi there. Just wondering how proven these replacment bulls are, so i just checked ZAG. Am i right in think that he has 15540 daughters calved ?? It seems very high

He has 232 daughters calved. Mat calving diff of 6%

Bigbird1

charolais0153 wrote: »

He has 232 daughters calved. Mat calving diff of 6%

Where did you get these figures ?

charolais0153

Bigbird1 wrote: »

Where did you get these figures ?

Fertility section. Down a bit

Bigbird1

charolais0153 wrote: »

Fertility section. Down a bit

Cheers i see that figure there now but there very badly explained, there are fugures and percentages everywhere

bogman_bass

Easiest way to see how many offspring are included in a figure is in the previous evaluations tab