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Monty ?
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30-09-2016 12:11pm#1
You got to love him or hate him ?
Was an incredible pro - was it 6 vardon trophies. Amazing ryder cup captain and pro - "Do you know I hit a 308 yard 3 wood".
But he failed to deliver in the "real" big ones.
Listening to him here - he is an incredible ego.
But he was a member of Royal Troon - from a very privileged background and was basically a spoilt brat around tournaments when he was at his peak.
He is from the dark ages of golf ~ sort of a man from the past who is still an image of the game.
He is fascinating and hate instilling at the same time.
I still think, I like him and hate him 3
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The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »Did you know he played a lot of Ryder Cup ?
Colin is heralded as one of the greatest Ryder Cup players of all time. To date he has been a member of the European team on eight occasions, and has never lost in a singles match. He holds a win-lose-draw record of 20–9–7, thus giving him a total points scored tally of 23.5, only 1.5 points behind the all-time record held by Nick Faldo. He has played pivotal roles in several of the matches. He halved the last hole with Scott Hoch to obtain the half-point that won Europe the cup in 1997, and sank the winning putt,in what is considered to be his finest hour in the 2004 staging of the event.
And no one can fully describe the pressure of a Ryder Cup if you havent played in one. Its greater than a major in fact. The extreme stress of representing your country, your continent, your team mates, and your family in what is probably the world's premier sporting event is incredible. And Colin has handled that like no other. This makes him probably one of the finest golfers the world has ever known. His Ryder Cup record is the equivalent of about a 7 or 8 major winner golfer, putting him at the level of Watson or Palmer. Thats the immensity of the man. His singles record is truly outstanding, in fact probably lifts his overall golfing standing above those two for example. Ryder Cup wins should probably be officially classed as Major wins. Higher even.
Lol,:D:D:D
He would give every one of them points up for a Claret Jug.0 -
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FixdePitchmark wrote: »Lol,:D:D:D
He would give every one of them points up for a Claret Jug.
or a green jacket or a us open or pga champioship0 -
The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »Did you know he played a lot of Ryder Cup ?
Colin is heralded as one of the greatest Ryder Cup players of all time. To date he has been a member of the European team on eight occasions, and has never lost in a singles match. He holds a win-lose-draw record of 20–9–7, thus giving him a total points scored tally of 23.5, only 1.5 points behind the all-time record held by Nick Faldo. He has played pivotal roles in several of the matches. He halved the last hole with Scott Hoch to obtain the half-point that won Europe the cup in 1997, and sank the winning putt,in what is considered to be his finest hour in the 2004 staging of the event.
And no one can fully describe the pressure of a Ryder Cup if you havent played in one. Its greater than a major in fact. The extreme stress of representing your country, your continent, your team mates, and your family in what is probably the world's premier sporting event is incredible. And Colin has handled that like no other. This makes him probably one of the finest golfers the world has ever known. His Ryder Cup record is the equivalent of about a 7 or 8 major winner golfer, putting him at the level of Watson or Palmer. Thats the immensity of the man. His singles record is truly outstanding, in fact probably lifts his overall golfing standing above those two for example. Ryder Cup wins should probably be officially classed as Major wins. Higher even.
Representing your continent?
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Smokers and Jokers? wrote: »Representing your continent?
Well, it was when Monty was playing for Europe. Which raises the interesting point, that with Brexit likely to be concluded sometime in mid 2018, this could be the last time we are seeing UK golfers in the RC. Could make it more interesting in a way.0 -
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The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »Well, it was when Monty was playing for Europe. Which raises the interesting point, that with Brexit likely to be concluded sometime in mid 2018, this could be the last time we are seeing UK golfers in the RC. Could make it more interesting in a way.
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The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
And no one can fully describe the pressure of a Ryder Cup if you havent played in one. Its greater than a major in fact. The extreme stress of representing your country, your continent, your team mates, and your family in what is probably the world's premier sporting event is incredible. And Colin has handled that like no other. This makes him probably one of the finest golfers the world has ever known. His Ryder Cup record is the equivalent of about a 7 or 8 major winner golfer, putting him at the level of Watson or Palmer. Thats the immensity of the man. His singles record is truly outstanding, in fact probably lifts his overall golfing standing above those two for example. Ryder Cup wins should probably be officially classed as Major wins. Higher even.
The only thing equivalent to 7 or 8 Majors is 7 or 8 Majors.....
.....no doubt about Monty's talent and skill with the sticks, and, yes, he probably does deserve the title as greatest player to never win a Major (hopefully Garcia won't take it from him
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The Ryder Cup is different on so many levels, if what you are suggesting were to pass how would it work? Would each point scored by a player count as a Major? Or everyone on the winning team 'gets' a Major (regardless of them playing or winning)? Different competition, different scoring and different dynamics so definitely not a Major.
Also remember when Monty tried to claim his Order of Merit wins were the equivalent of Majors? That was laughed away too......if you want to be known as a Major winner you have to win one.
As for him as a commentator? Don't like him at all, too much 'I......' not enough analysis.0 -
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The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »Jeepers, you're right. I'd forgotten about the order of Merit Majors. And he is the only one for whom they should count as majors. Which puts Colin on about 15. Ahead of Tiger and just behind Jack. Shows what a truly extraordinary golfer Monty is. He is a Ryder Cup legend. He will tell us of some of his experiences of it during the coverage this evening hopefully.
......except they are not Majors
His achievement may be singular in respect of OoM wins, but they are not Majors.....they're not comparable to Majors and they will never be comparable to Majors.
He's a Ryder Cup leg end alright and I doubt you'll have too long to wait before he starts a "When I......" story 0 -
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It's strange.
We all watch the tour events week after week.
We admire and simply like most of the players irregardless of their nationality, they are simply golfers.
However, when the Ryder Cup is played, for 3 days out of every 2, we want Furyk to flub his chips, Love to shank his irons, Woods to snap hook his drives, Mickelson to miss gimme putts etc etc. It's almost like a relief when it's finished (and Europe win of course) so that we revert back to repsecting and liking them.
It's the opposite with someone like Monty. An egotistical numpty by all accounts.
For the Ryder Cup, we want him to hole everything and we love him and take him to heart.
We want it to be over so we can believe that he is a self-centred gowl once again.
Perhaps it's why he loves the RC so much. It was only time when everyone truly loved him and his record is fantastic it has to be said.0 -
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BigChap1759 wrote: »As a man Monty is an out and out oddball, a weirdo, or a crackpot as they might say in Glasgow.
Everything around his demeanor and mannerisms just screams strange - as Fix said he's a public school boy from the very, very old school Scottish moneyed golfing establishment.
As a Scottish golfer though I was a huge supporter and, joking aside, people easily forget what a golfing machine he was - 6 order of merits in 7 years, 7 in total - will never be equaled. People also forget he couldn't putt but by god, tee to green the man could be the best, most consistent ever IMO(top 3 at least).
If you look through the records, when he wasn't winning, he was finishing 2nd or 3rd. Ultimately his putting and bottle let him down in the end which is a shame as he had the talent to win multiple majors - but the didn't and that's the bottom line.
Well if that is from a home boy, it says it all.
To be honest, it is not his fault that he was born into that - it was a gift that should be cherished . He did, it enabled him an opportunity to become a professional golfer.
The guy did it -he has an incredible amount to be proud of.
But, behind all his bluff, I think he must be very insecure.
I think it would be even scarier if he isn't insecure and actually has that much self belief without a major.
But didn't he try tell us he had a major too.
By the way - don't remember him being that weak a putter.
I remember seeing him go to pick up a car he had won (hole in one) - I was looking on in amazement - as we didn't even have a car in our family.
I never seen someone so unhappy in my life. 0 -
FixdePitchmark wrote: »Well if that is from a home boy, it says it all.
To be honest, it is not his fault that he was born into that - it was a gift that should be cherished . He did, it enabled him an opportunity to become a professional golfer.
The guy did it -he has an incredible amount to be proud of.
But, behind all his bluff, I think he must be very insecure.
I think it would be even scarier if he isn't insecure and actually has that much self belief without a major.
But didn't he try tell us he had a major too.
By the way - don't remember him being that weak a putter.
I remember seeing him go to pick up a car he had won (hole in one) - I was looking on in amazement - as we didn't even have a car in our family.
I never seen someone so unhappy in my life.
He actually has 3 majors now fix :pac:
31 ET wins and 50 professional wins worldwide - not too shabby0 -
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Todd Hamilton and Shaun Micheel are still playing, albeit in a small number of events. Rich Beem as we know is working for Sky and just turns up for the PGA every year.Most of them were solid enough for a period of time.
There are far worse examples than that:
Todd Hamilton
Rich Beem
Shaun Micheel.....
Where are they now?
The one's in your post are still playing afaik
Shaun Micheel is very unusual as his only ever PGA win was in a major. He also had a win on the Asian tour and the 'Nike' tour. That's the sort of thing that would really p1ss Monty off. 0 -
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Doing him a slight disservice here.
He has 8 European Tour Order of Merit wins including 7 in a row. Thats just ridiculous.
That would indicate that he was simply excellent at being a 'professional' golfer. He is arguably one of the greatest drivers of the ball the game has ever seen with his long stock fade. Having that on tap would allow you to become a very successful player in terms of accruing prize money along with the necessary insular stubborn focus he has.
The order of merit is simply a mathematical prize. You earned the most in a particular season so here's a crystal trophy and a round of applause.
Westwood leads the career money list on the european tour. Donald won the orders of merit on both the PGA/Euro tours. Both have been world number 1. They were both incredibly consistent players. Neither have a major championship. Nor does Monty. It's like Messi. He never got there on the international stage. He will always have an asterisk next to his name in a debate about the best players.
They don't label it the Order of Merit Champion.
You don't hear Woods, Nicklaus, Els, Faldo et al reminiscing about their order of merit titles or their Ryder Cup 'wins'.
Winning Majors takes care of the order of merit
It just never happened for Monty. He's had his chances, his US open/PGA play offs, his make a par and you win a major moments. Call it choking or bad luck, that's the question. He is certainly on the list of best players to never win a major that's certain. However, it strikes me that if he had made the breakthrough then he would be more insufferable, like England and 1966, you'd never hear the end of it 0 -
CMOTDibbler wrote: »Shaun Micheel is very unusual as his only ever PGA win was in a major. He also had a win on the Asian tour and the 'Nike' tour. That's the sort of thing that would really p1ss Monty off.
"So Shaun, you may have a major, but how many Ryder Cups did you play in ? None ?!?!? What sort of a record is that ? Call yourself a golfer? Do you even swing?
You havent felt pressure. You havent delivered when a whole continent depends on you. Some of us have done that time and time again. That my friend with the strangely spelt Irish-German name, is what matters. Let me tell you. I was that soldier, and I know what I'm talking about. USPGA, ShmUSPGA"0 -
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Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »The hate for man exhibited by somein this thread is nothing short of extraordinary, not one of you knows the man, you only know his public persona and to stand in judgement over that is beyond stupid, shame on you Fix for starting a thread like this, I thought you were classier than that.
Shame on me
I think you should get off your horse and read my posts.
He was an incredible grump and spoilt brat around tournaments - this is what I seen and what others experienced. Yes these moments are not the real person - but sadly it a lasting impact on fans. It shouldn't , but if there are too many instances it defines them.
People would give their left ball to have the life he had.
I would love him and loved him to get a major - because anyone, who puts the effort in, in life/golf, deserves something.
People are poking fun at his persona - he is an unusual character who will rub people up the wrong way.
I warmed to him seriously as Captain of Ryder Cup team - he seems to have mellowed as he got older. But genuinely as a young fella he was unreal.
Overall - I'm glad of him , you need characters in golf at top - because typically they are terribly dull. He is a love to hate character - but one you would be lost without - a sort of, Light Dunphy / Hook.0 -
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