Monty ?

FixdePitchmark

You got to love him or hate him ?

Was an incredible pro - was it 6 vardon trophies. Amazing ryder cup captain and pro - "Do you know I hit a 308 yard 3 wood".

But he failed to deliver in the "real" big ones.

Listening to him here - he is an incredible ego.


But he was a member of Royal Troon - from a very privileged background and was basically a spoilt brat around tournaments when he was at his peak.

He is from the dark ages of golf ~ sort of a man from the past who is still an image of the game.

He is fascinating and hate instilling at the same time.


I still think, I like him and hate him

Senecio

Liked him as a golfer, can't stand him as a commentator.

FixdePitchmark

Senecio wrote: »

Liked him as a golfer, can't stand him as a commentator.

I think I agree - but he is such a contradiction.

He can give an incredible insight - because e as been part of every part of golf for 30 years.

The Rape of Lucretia

Did you know he played a lot of Ryder Cup ?

Colin is heralded as one of the greatest Ryder Cup players of all time. To date he has been a member of the European team on eight occasions, and has never lost in a singles match. He holds a win-lose-draw record of 20–9–7, thus giving him a total points scored tally of 23.5, only 1.5 points behind the all-time record held by Nick Faldo. He has played pivotal roles in several of the matches. He halved the last hole with Scott Hoch to obtain the half-point that won Europe the cup in 1997, and sank the winning putt,in what is considered to be his finest hour in the 2004 staging of the event.

And no one can fully describe the pressure of a Ryder Cup if you havent played in one. Its greater than a major in fact. The extreme stress of representing your country, your continent, your team mates, and your family in what is probably the world's premier sporting event is incredible. And Colin has handled that like no other. This makes him probably one of the finest golfers the world has ever known. His Ryder Cup record is the equivalent of about a 7 or 8 major winner golfer, putting him at the level of Watson or Palmer. Thats the immensity of the man. His singles record is truly outstanding, in fact probably lifts his overall golfing standing above those two for example. Ryder Cup wins should probably be officially classed as Major wins. Higher even.

Senecio

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

He can give an incredible insight - because e as been part of every part of golf for 30 years.

I'm sure he has great insight, but he would need to stop talking about himself in order to share it. Pity really as I loved watching him play his way.

FixdePitchmark

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Did you know he played a lot of Ryder Cup ?

Colin is heralded as one of the greatest Ryder Cup players of all time. To date he has been a member of the European team on eight occasions, and has never lost in a singles match. He holds a win-lose-draw record of 20–9–7, thus giving him a total points scored tally of 23.5, only 1.5 points behind the all-time record held by Nick Faldo. He has played pivotal roles in several of the matches. He halved the last hole with Scott Hoch to obtain the half-point that won Europe the cup in 1997, and sank the winning putt,in what is considered to be his finest hour in the 2004 staging of the event.

And no one can fully describe the pressure of a Ryder Cup if you havent played in one. Its greater than a major in fact. The extreme stress of representing your country, your continent, your team mates, and your family in what is probably the world's premier sporting event is incredible. And Colin has handled that like no other. This makes him probably one of the finest golfers the world has ever known. His Ryder Cup record is the equivalent of about a 7 or 8 major winner golfer, putting him at the level of Watson or Palmer. Thats the immensity of the man. His singles record is truly outstanding, in fact probably lifts his overall golfing standing above those two for example. Ryder Cup wins should probably be officially classed as Major wins. Higher even.

Lol,

:D:D:D

He would give every one of them points up for a Claret Jug.

Osgoodisgood

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

He can give an incredible insight

He could but he errrr, aaaah, errrr, doesn't. It's because he's a errrr, aaaah, errrr, bore

sky88

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Lol,

:D:D:D

He would give every one of them points up for a Claret Jug.

or a green jacket or a us open or pga champioship

Smokers and Jokers?

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Did you know he played a lot of Ryder Cup ?

Colin is heralded as one of the greatest Ryder Cup players of all time. To date he has been a member of the European team on eight occasions, and has never lost in a singles match. He holds a win-lose-draw record of 20–9–7, thus giving him a total points scored tally of 23.5, only 1.5 points behind the all-time record held by Nick Faldo. He has played pivotal roles in several of the matches. He halved the last hole with Scott Hoch to obtain the half-point that won Europe the cup in 1997, and sank the winning putt,in what is considered to be his finest hour in the 2004 staging of the event.

And no one can fully describe the pressure of a Ryder Cup if you havent played in one. Its greater than a major in fact. The extreme stress of representing your country, your continent, your team mates, and your family in what is probably the world's premier sporting event is incredible. And Colin has handled that like no other. This makes him probably one of the finest golfers the world has ever known. His Ryder Cup record is the equivalent of about a 7 or 8 major winner golfer, putting him at the level of Watson or Palmer. Thats the immensity of the man. His singles record is truly outstanding, in fact probably lifts his overall golfing standing above those two for example. Ryder Cup wins should probably be officially classed as Major wins. Higher even.

Representing your continent?

The Rape of Lucretia

Smokers and Jokers? wrote: »

Representing your continent?

Well, it was when Monty was playing for Europe. Which raises the interesting point, that with Brexit likely to be concluded sometime in mid 2018, this could be the last time we are seeing UK golfers in the RC. Could make it more interesting in a way.

Dingaan

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Well, it was when Monty was playing for Europe. Which raises the interesting point, that with Brexit likely to be concluded sometime in mid 2018, this could be the last time we are seeing UK golfers in the RC. Could make it more interesting in a way.

EU is a political organisation while Europe is a continent. Please try to understand the difference.

davo10

His career also straddled some of the greatest players ever to play the game, Seve, Langer, Stewart, Faldo, Norman, Woods, Michelson, Els, Singh, Harrington,McIlroy etc, not easy to win majors with those lot around. He won a lot of tournaments but missed out on a couple of majors due to better play by others, bad luck and some nerves but no shame in that, others also did as well against that group.

To be fair, golf being an individual sport, to get to the top you need a lot of time and money to be able to spend the time necessary, the tuition, travel etc to get there. McIllroys parents worked hard and made sacrifices to allow him the opportunity to progress but many of the top golfers come from wealthy/privaliged backgrounds and not that many are well adjusted when you listen to them, it is all "me" and "I". I really respect their drive and dedication to get to the top, but you need a certain type of personality to do that. Monty is no different, his golf world revolves around him. He is a bore, but so are most of the top players.

Faldo for me is king knob, I heard Lawrence Donegan earlier saying that it is a real chore listening to Faldo pontificate on the attributes/requirements to be a good Ryder cup captain.

ForeRight

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Well, it was when Monty was playing for Europe. Which raises the interesting point, that with Brexit likely to be concluded sometime in mid 2018, this could be the last time we are seeing UK golfers in the RC. Could make it more interesting in a way.

davo10

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Well, it was when Monty was playing for Europe. Which raises the interesting point, that with Brexit likely to be concluded sometime in mid 2018, this could be the last time we are seeing UK golfers in the RC. Could make it more interesting in a way.

You might need to take a mulligan there.

The Rape of Lucretia

davo10 wrote: »

You might need to take a mulligan there.

No mulligans allowed in the Ryder Cup as far as I know ( havent seen one yet anyway), they are only for amateur competitions, and handicap ones at that (not allowed in scratch cups or the like).

Having taken back control, British golfers will have to negotiate their own Ryder Cup type deals with other countries, but whether other countries are quite as interested in playing against them remains to be seen.

davo10

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

No mulligans allowed in the Ryder Cup as far as I know ( havent seen one yet anyway), they are only for amateur competitions, and handicap ones at that (not allowed in scratch cups or the like).

Having taken back control, British golfers will have to negotiate their own Ryder Cup type deals with other countries, but whether other countries are quite as interested in playing against them remains to be seen.

No immigrants need apply.

Jawgap

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

And no one can fully describe the pressure of a Ryder Cup if you havent played in one. Its greater than a major in fact. The extreme stress of representing your country, your continent, your team mates, and your family in what is probably the world's premier sporting event is incredible. And Colin has handled that like no other. This makes him probably one of the finest golfers the world has ever known. His Ryder Cup record is the equivalent of about a 7 or 8 major winner golfer, putting him at the level of Watson or Palmer. Thats the immensity of the man. His singles record is truly outstanding, in fact probably lifts his overall golfing standing above those two for example. Ryder Cup wins should probably be officially classed as Major wins. Higher even.

The only thing equivalent to 7 or 8 Majors is 7 or 8 Majors.....

.....no doubt about Monty's talent and skill with the sticks, and, yes, he probably does deserve the title as greatest player to never win a Major (hopefully Garcia won't take it from him ).

The Ryder Cup is different on so many levels, if what you are suggesting were to pass how would it work? Would each point scored by a player count as a Major? Or everyone on the winning team 'gets' a Major (regardless of them playing or winning)? Different competition, different scoring and different dynamics so definitely not a Major.

Also remember when Monty tried to claim his Order of Merit wins were the equivalent of Majors? That was laughed away too......if you want to be known as a Major winner you have to win one.

As for him as a commentator? Don't like him at all, too much 'I......' not enough analysis.

The Rape of Lucretia

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I have to say TROL you are the best contributor to this forum in a long time

I mean, you are quickly within the throws of legends like -

GreeBo - ForeRight and the multifarious versions of CONNO


Can I ask 4 questions ?

What do you play off ?
Do you play prov1s only ?
Do you have any Galvin Green ?
Do you think over 4 hour rounds are acceptable ?

Well, ta. Been around here for more than a decade as it happens, under various guises to stay ahead of the assorted bans and various other complications, and back after a long intermission, taken (again) due to the heavy handed modding that has spoilt the golf boards periodically over the years. Thought I would give it another go, and seems reasonable at the minute so fingers crossed. (Not Conno or his varients btw - didnt think he was up to much tbh. Greebo was good though when purely on golf. Just should never have become a mod.)

Curious questions, but anyway:
15.
Almost never, unless I find one. I certainly wouldnt pay for one.
A hat only. Otherwise Mizuno for waterproofs.
Certainly do. 4 to 4.5 hours is typically for a 4 ball at the weekend competition in my club, and I enjoy it. 3.5 to 4 would be typical for a 3 ball. I find I enjoy my games neither more nor less whether they are at the 3.5 or 4.5 hour ends of the spectrum.

The Rape of Lucretia

Jawgap wrote: »

Also remember when Monty tried to claim his Order of Merit wins were the equivalent of Majors? That was laughed away too......if you want to be known as a Major winner you have to win one.

Jeepers, you're right. I'd forgotten about the order of Merit Majors. And he is the only one for whom they should count as majors. Which puts Colin on about 15. Ahead of Tiger and just behind Jack. Shows what a truly extraordinary golfer Monty is. He is a Ryder Cup legend. He will tell us of some of his experiences of it during the coverage this evening hopefully.

Jawgap

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Jeepers, you're right. I'd forgotten about the order of Merit Majors. And he is the only one for whom they should count as majors. Which puts Colin on about 15. Ahead of Tiger and just behind Jack. Shows what a truly extraordinary golfer Monty is. He is a Ryder Cup legend. He will tell us of some of his experiences of it during the coverage this evening hopefully.

......except they are not Majors

His achievement may be singular in respect of OoM wins, but they are not Majors.....they're not comparable to Majors and they will never be comparable to Majors.

He's a Ryder Cup leg end alright and I doubt you'll have too long to wait before he starts a "When I......" story

Osgoodisgood

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Jeepers, you're right. I'd forgotten about the order of Merit Majors. And he is the only one for whom they should count as majors. Which puts Colin on about 15. Ahead of Tiger and just behind Jack. Shows what a truly extraordinary golfer Monty is. He is a Ryder Cup legend. He will tell us of some of his experiences of it during the coverage this evening hopefully.

No doubt somebody will bite again Trolly McTrollster but frankly I've seen you do better than this

Milkers

I must have missed the part of Brexit where all UK golfers withdrew from the European Tour.

The Rape of Lucretia

Milkers wrote: »

I must have missed the part of Brexit where all UK golfers withdrew from the European Tour.

Well, a bit like Britain always having being the reluctant European; rejecting participation in Schengen, the Euro, and ever close union, UK golfers have been defecting to the USA pretty much en masse for years now. Playing the European tour is more a hobby or nostalgic holiday for them to visit their parents. If it werent for the Open and the Ryder Cup, I guess they would pretty much all have withdrawn by now.

FixdePitchmark

Great thread (lol)

Turned on tv very late last night - there was a look back at Monty's Ryder cup years.

It was incredible how much he was smiling about himself. Was bizarre. I was thinking does Monty genuinely have that belief in himself - if so why didn't he win 6/7 majors . It could be just a mask ?

Good post from Davo above. If you look at people at top of golf. They rarely seem "normal" or rounded.

We know how hard golf is , also travelling the world playing golf and living in 5 star hotels i just a bizarre life.

Anyway - he was an incredible golfer - but any time I was around him or near him at say an Irish Open - he just came across as a grumpy spoilt child.

But incredible golfer.

Jawgap

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Great thread (lol)

Turned on tv very late last night - there was a look back at Monty's Ryder cup years.

It was incredible how much he was smiling about himself. Was bizarre. I was thinking does Monty genuinely have that belief in himself - if so why didn't he win 6/7 majors . It could be just a mask ?

Good post from Davo above. If you look at people at top of golf. They rarely seem "normal" or rounded.

We know how hard golf is , also travelling the world playing golf and living in 5 star hotels i just a bizarre life.

Anyway - he was an incredible golfer - but any time I was around him or near him at say an Irish Open - he just came across as a grumpy spoilt child.

But incredible golfer.

No doubting his abilities, which were/are considerable.......only exceeded by his ego.

He may be regarded as having perhaps being unfortunate for having come on the scene when he did, but it's not like he had a brilliant record in the Majors in terms of runner up spots.

He's finished 2nd in a Major on 5 occasions, which is not even close to being a record or even significant, but no other player has more runner up finishes than him without winning a Major.

Dirty Dingus McGee

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Great thread (lol)

Turned on tv very late last night - there was a look back at Monty's Ryder cup years.

It was incredible how much he was smiling about himself. Was bizarre. I was thinking does Monty genuinely have that belief in himself - if so why didn't he win 6/7 majors . It could be just a mask ?

Good post from Davo above. If you look at people at top of golf. They rarely seem "normal" or rounded.

We know how hard golf is , also travelling the world playing golf and living in 5 star hotels i just a bizarre life.

Anyway - he was an incredible golfer - but any time I was around him or near him at say an Irish Open - he just came across as a grumpy spoilt child.

But incredible golfer.

The poor things, that sounds absolutely awful.

WHIP IT!

Monty is an absolute prized pr*ck... slated Mickelson on Friday afternoon and claimed he "didn't deserve a point" from his morning Foursomes match... why not, Colin, you twat, his team took less shots than the other guys...

valoren

It's strange.

We all watch the tour events week after week.
We admire and simply like most of the players irregardless of their nationality, they are simply golfers.

However, when the Ryder Cup is played, for 3 days out of every 2, we want Furyk to flub his chips, Love to shank his irons, Woods to snap hook his drives, Mickelson to miss gimme putts etc etc. It's almost like a relief when it's finished (and Europe win of course ) so that we revert back to repsecting and liking them.

It's the opposite with someone like Monty. An egotistical numpty by all accounts.
For the Ryder Cup, we want him to hole everything and we love him and take him to heart.
We want it to be over so we can believe that he is a self-centred gowl once again.

Perhaps it's why he loves the RC so much. It was only time when everyone truly loved him and his record is fantastic it has to be said.

RikkFlair

I wouldn't dislike him as others do, was actually quite gutted when he let the US Open in 2006 slip through his hands.

No better man than Cranky Colin to put manners on boisterous American Ryder Cup fans, especially in 99. That scowl alone would send them packing :pac:

Leslie91

Don't like him one bit... Was a twat and a half on the course... will never forget him arriving at a green scowling at the spectators looking for someone to pick on.

Even worse as an egotistical commentator with his delayed eh, um, eh delivery.

I see he's a real nice fella to the women in his life too.

#completearsehole

CMOTDibbler

WHIP IT! wrote: »

Monty is an absolute prized pr*ck... slated Mickelson on Friday afternoon and claimed he "didn't deserve a point" from his morning Foursomes match... why not, Colin, you twat, his team took less shots than the other guys...

To be fair, Mickelson was spraying the ball around the course and on any other set up would have been way over par.

That's not a complaint, home advantage means you can set your course up to give you an advantage but Mickelson was unbelievably bad. But not getting punished for bad shots isn't golf.