Weedlickers

roosterman71

Was thinking of putting a few pound into a weedlicker. Have a load of rushes coming up and they need a good licking. Will share use with neighbours so need a good reliable and simple machine for the quad. Was at the ploughing today and seen these two:
C-dax InEx WeedWiper
Quad-x Weed Wipeout 2
Anyone experience with either of these? Second one over a grand more expensive.

cacs

roosterman71 wrote: »

Was thinking of putting a few pound into a weedlicker. Have a load of rushes coming up and they need a good licking. Will share use with neighbours so need a good reliable and simple machine for the quad. Was at the ploughing today and seen these two:
C-dax InEx WeedWiper
Quad-x Weed Wipeout 2
Anyone experience with either of these? Second one over a grand more expensive.

I have a quadex great machine we have destroyed rushes with it but honestly I think it's too heavy for a quad on rough ground. We pull it with the tractor. The double rotation barrels mean you only have to lick once I couldn't recommend it enough much better than those home made jobs . It would be even better if it was side mounted as you do miss some where the wheels of the tractor knock them over

Danzy

We didn't go expensive and it works well enough.

My advice is to make sure that there is even distribution of the mix across the roll.

A quad would carry mine handily.

I couldn't see why one for a grand more would be better that what is basically a high roller with a bit of carpet.

I might have lots to learn on it though but i've knocked ten kinds of ****e out of the Rush population on the farm from heavy clays to good draining fields with hollows and docks and thistles on sound ground.

Must get name of the one we have for ya.

massey woman

We found the CDAx a light handy machine
Its not robust enough for the treatment it gets on heavily infested rough ground
Also we found the bladders a pain in the a*se getting blocked by the chemicals in the micro holes no matter how well you washed them out
On the other hand it was a miser on chemicals and we had great success with a 100 x 1 mix ration the diagonal layout of the sponges seemed to be more efficient than the conventional 8' tube with carpet attached eventhough thats what we now use
pm me if you want to know the supplier

Who2

at 4500 plus vat for the quad ex i reckon il get a tractor mounted offset one made up on hydraulics and still have money over. i thought the connaught agri one nearly as good as the quad x but way more realistically priced at 1900 plus vat.

hopeso

cathal irwin wrote: »

I have a quadex great machine we have destroyed rushes with it but honestly I think it's too heavy for a quad on rough ground. We pull it with the tractor. The double rotation barrels mean you only have to lick once I couldn't recommend it enough much better than those home made jobs . It would be even better if it was side mounted as you do miss some where the wheels of the tractor knock them over

Are you still happy with the Quad X? I'm thinking of buying one at the moment, but was wondering if the two rollers rolling against each other all the time causes the carpet to wear out? They certainly look like a well made, well finished machine!

cacs

hopeso wrote: »

Are you still happy with the Quad X? I'm thinking of buying one at the moment, but was wondering if the two rollers rolling against each other all the time causes the carpet to wear out? They certainly look like a well made, well finished machine!

To be honest I never even took any notice of the fact that the two rollers were touching. I never had to go near them. Licked a load of heavy rushes about six weeks. One pass missed nothing burnt every thing out of ground only used about 20 l of mixture ( about 1 litre of roundup) done about five or six acres. Topped them all a week ago. It's like rushes were never there. Some guys with single rollers have to do two passes. You don't with quadex. I hear the brush system on logic drips a fare bit. I think the quadex is the best all round

hopeso

cathal irwin wrote: »

To be honest I never even took any notice of the fact that the two rollers were touching. I never had to go near them. Licked a load of heavy rushes about six weeks. One pass missed nothing burnt every thing out of ground only used about 20 l of mixture ( about 1 litre of roundup) done about five or six acres. Topped them all a week ago. It's like rushes were never there. Some guys with single rollers have to do two passes. You don't with quadex. I hear the brush system on logic drips a fare bit. I think the quadex is the best all round

Thanks for the reply..... The one I'm looking at is actually a 3m version that goes on the rear linkage of the tractor, but I think it's more or less identical to the one you have. They are kind of expensive, but I guess you get what you pay for. I can well believe that the Logic drips....There's nothing to hold the liquid....

Sam Kade

roosterman71 wrote: »

Was thinking of putting a few pound into a weedlicker. Have a load of rushes coming up and they need a good licking. Will share use with neighbours so need a good reliable and simple machine for the quad. Was at the ploughing today and seen these two:
C-dax InEx WeedWiper
Quad-x Weed Wipeout 2
Anyone experience with either of these? Second one over a grand more expensive.

How will the MCPA ban looming affect this? Is there any other effective spray for rushes?

massey woman

While not condoning the irresponsible application of herbicides close to rivers and streams if the ban is implemented there will be plenty of rushes. Marginal ground or wet land that has been controlled annually by spraying will soon become overgrown.In turn this ground will become forestry and that is Government and EU policy unfortunately for most of the west of Ireland. Add to that the ever increasing age profile of active farmers and scarce and expensive supply of labour to carry out topping there will be even less money out of the enterprise.There obviously needs to be more done between the farmers and the EPA to educate landowners on the unintentional adverse consequences of mis-application

_Brian

Sam Kade wrote: »

How will the MCPA ban looming affect this? Is there any other effective spray for rushes?

When is that due in ?

tractorporn

_Brian wrote:

When is that due in ?

No date for implementation of a bad but the EPA are pushing very hard for an outright ban as MCPA showing up in most water schemes.

hopeso

I take it a ban on MCPA will mean the end of Mortone, which is what's mostly used around here for rush control... They have already reduced the maximum application rate of Mortone to 4.5l per hectare, which in my opinion is next to useless......

_Brian

tractorporn wrote: »

No date for implementation of a bad but the EPA are pushing very hard for an outright ban as MCPA showing up in most water schemes.

Ahh, with new sprayer training and regulations the EPA wil need to wait 10-15 years to see a general improvement.

Interesting that it came down 20% in price north of the border.

Sam Kade

_Brian wrote: »

Ahh, with new sprayer training and regulations the EPA wil need to wait 10-15 years to see a general improvement.

Interesting that it came down 20% in price north of the border.

There's a write up on todays journal about the ban.

_Brian

Sam Kade wrote: »

There's a write up on todays journal about the ban.

Oh... never buy the Journal

Farmer

Sam Kade wrote: »

There's a write up on todays journal about the ban.

It wouldn't be like them to hype up something to sell papers

Sam Kade

_Brian wrote: »

Oh... never buy the Journal

Neither do I They are advertising it on the radio with the ban on rush spray hoping to convince us to buy it

SuperTortoise

hopeso wrote: »

I take it a ban on MCPA will mean the end of Mortone, which is what's mostly used around here for rush control... They have already reduced the maximum application rate of Mortone to 4.5l per hectare, which in my opinion is next to useless......

If memory serves me i used that application rate last year and this spring and i've had fantastic results.

PoorFarmer

Anybody using a wick system for killing off rushes? Is it effective or is there too much dripping off the wicks?

Farmer_3650

Bit off topic here but is there any of ye that have both a sprayer and a weedlicker. If so which do you find a better job and why? I have a hardi 400L sprayer but I am thinking of buying a weedlicker for the quad.
Thanks.

pure breed

Farmer_3650 wrote:

Bit off topic here but is there any of ye that have both a sprayer and a weedlicker. If so which do you find a better job and why? I have a hardi 400L sprayer but I am thinking of buying a weedlicker for the quad. Thanks.

We use the weedlicker where possible as the sprayer costs a fortune in comparison to the ground you cover. I'm talking about price for MCPA (sprayer) and something like Gallup (Licker). Obviously certain places will require sprayer but places light in rushes we always use weedlicker.

hopeso

I bought a new weedlicker last week. Still haven't used it... But, I notice that there is no filter between the pump and nozzles. Has anyone a filter on their licker, or fitted one? Surely it must be a good idea, especially as you can't see the nozzles when it's working, to spot when one is blocked, like you can on a boom sprayer. Or is there any reason not to have a filter fitted?

annubis

hopeso wrote: »

I bought a new weedlicker last week. Still haven't used it... But, I notice that there is no filter between the pump and nozzles. Has anyone a filter on their licker, or fitted one? Surely it must be a good idea, especially as you can't see the nozzles when it's working, to spot when one is blocked, like you can on a boom sprayer. Or is there any reason not to have a filter fitted?

have one of the quad x lickers and it has filter

hopeso

annubis wrote: »

have one of the quad x lickers and it has filter

Is it just a simple screw on filter, fitted between the pump and nozzles? I think I'll try and fit something on mine.....

patsy_mccabe

Licking with Roundup is just as effective as spraying with MCPA. I've done both and prefer licking with Roundup as it does not stun grass growth.

annubis

hopeso wrote: »

Is it just a simple screw on filter, fitted between the pump and nozzles? I think I'll try and fit something on mine.....

its just on the line from the tank to the pump, ya think it can be opened but havent done so to be honest, will take a pic later if I think of it

hopeso

annubis wrote: »

its just on the line from the tank to the pump, ya think it can be opened but havent done so to be honest, will take a pic later if I think of it

Please do, if you can....

annubis

hopeso wrote: »

Please do, if you can....

Here you go. At left of pump

annubis

annubis wrote: »

Here you go. At left of pump

I mean here

hopeso

annubis wrote: »

I mean here

Brilliant, thanks! Mine certainly doesn't have that.. The pipe just goes straight into the pump. I hope I can find something suitable.

pure breed

patsy_mccabe wrote:

Licking with Roundup is just as effective as spraying with MCPA. I've done both and prefer licking with Roundup as it does not stun grass growth.

Do you think there is a difference in the long term of Roundup compared to Gallop when licking?
Heard someone say that it kills the rush better then the cheaper Gallop.

Danzy

pure breed wrote: »

Do you think there is a difference in the long term of Roundup compared to Gallop when licking?
Heard someone say that it kills the rush better then the cheaper Gallop.

Scant difference, there can be a better stick with the Round Up but given the price difference, not enough to justify it.

Make it a little bit stronger and travel a little bit slower and it will be brown from ditch to ditch in my exp.

pure breed

Danzy wrote:

Scant difference, there can be a better stick with the Round Up but given the price difference, not enough to justify it.

Danzy wrote:

Make it a little bit stronger and travel a little bit slower and it will be brown from ditch to ditch in my exp.

Thanks Yeah have been using Gallop last few years and it does make them nice and toasty brown. What I was meant to say was for the following year would Roundup have a longer lasting effect ie. to the root more.
Our land is rush infested annually and using MCPA is only way to get lasting kill here anyway but don't use that much due to the price difference to licking which is ridiculous in my opinion.

Who2

what mix are lads using for licking. i bought one this year and have only been using forefront for the fear of stripping the whole field. ive been using the forefront at 1/2 a litre to 100 gallons, tried less and while it was effective it wasnt giving a complete wipe. its an off set wiper. i was thinking that there would be chemical transfer onto the wheels with round up and id have streaks everywhere. Another question is how wet is wet enough to have the carpet?

hopeso

pure breed wrote: »

Thanks Yeah have been using Gallop last few years and it does make them nice and toasty brown. What I was meant to say was for the following year would Roundup have a longer lasting effect ie. to the root more.
Our land is rush infested annually and using MCPA is only way to get lasting kill here anyway but don't use that much due to the price difference to licking which is ridiculous in my opinion.

Did anyone ever try MCPA in a licker?

pure breed

hopeso wrote:

Did anyone ever try MCPA in a licker?

No not here, good question

TPF2012

Yes when I first bought the licker I used mcpa, as advised by the fellow I purchased it off, to get used to the application rate so as to not burn too much grass. Worked well in my estimation especially for some meadows I did in the spring where the rushes were quite low. I had the roller nearly running on the ground, so gallop would not have worked. Used far less chemical then I would have in sprayer, despite it bring my first time using the machine. Gallop from then on though, when I got confidence in it.

50HX

hopeso wrote: »

Did anyone ever try MCPA in a licker?

yeah

tried diff rates last year and ended up with 500ml in a 60ltr tank

dunlopwellies

50HX wrote: »

yeah

tried diff rates last year and ended up with 500ml in a 60ltr tank

I used Morton last year in a licker, got great results.

But a neighbour reckoned its illegal to use Mcpa in a licker - is that true I wonder?

hopeso

50HX wrote: »

yeah

tried diff rates last year and ended up with 500ml in a 60ltr tank

How much ground would that cover? It sounds economical......

Danzy

I'm not sure if it is legal or illegal but if the Compliance man or Bord Bia man asked you if you put MPCA in the Weedlicker be careful.

50HX

hopeso wrote: »

How much ground would that cover? It sounds economical......

hard to judge as i'm left with sections of rushes here and there but i'd guess that it'd do a full acre easy

gerryirl

hopeso wrote: »

Did anyone ever try MCPA in a licker?

Yes i done a field with motone in the licker . think i did it 10:1. it was very very bad with rushes and flaggers. All it done was thin them out.
Sprayed the same field this year with mortone . not a thing in sight its like a different field , grass everywhere I think the licker really only works well with roundup

Lambman

I mulched a field with very heavy rushes at start off March and licked it with round up start off June again looks a good job all rushes are now Brown and didn't grow any bigger.. so wat do i do next is the question? I've sheep in grazing at the min till clear it out as there's good grass on it and my plan was till top it now when sheep's it cleaned up and lime it and see what comes up in the spring again b4 spraying it all with mortone or maybe mcpa as its supposed till be better for softer rushes? It's dry land just not been farmed in 15 years.

mayota

Lambman wrote: »

I mulched a field with very heavy rushes at start off March and licked it with round up start off June again looks a good job all rushes are now Brown and didn't grow any bigger.. so wat do i do next is the question? I've sheep in grazing at the min till clear it out as there's good grass on it and my plan was till top it now when sheep's it cleaned up and lime it and see what comes up in the spring again b4 spraying it all with mortone or maybe mcpa as its supposed till be better for softer rushes? It's dry land just not been farmed in 15 years.

I'd top them as low as possible (or mow them)now and spray in September with mortone if any come up.

gerryirl

id be giving it a bit of fertilizer if its not got any in years. I put 10-10-20 on bit I had like that. Only a bag to the acre but did super job on it. Gonna put 0-7 30 on it in the back end and go with pasture sward next year. I did soil sample and p and k were low. PH was ok

Lambman

Was fertilised with 18-6-12 after the mulching... be a few weeks b4 I will be topping it as there's great grass on it... think I might mulch it again then maybe and as u say 10-10-20 and see wat comes back b4 spraying again either in backend or spring?

Lambman

Was fertilised with 18-6-12 after the mulching... be a few weeks b4 I will be topping it as there's great grass on it... think I might mulch it again then maybe and as u say 10-10-20 and see wat comes back b4 spraying again either in backend or spring?

gerryirl

ah its not too bad so

Danzy

Lambman wrote: »

Was fertilised with 18-6-12 after the mulching... be a few weeks b4 I will be topping it as there's great grass on it... think I might mulch it again then maybe and as u say 10-10-20 and see wat comes back b4 spraying again either in backend or spring?

Hi, long time listener, first time caller, what exactly do you mean by mulching.