Hansfield Wood

DoozerT6

Fairly busy open viewings today, anyone else pop along to have a look? I went for a quick browse, and tbh I thought they were quite small overall! :eek: I'm not a fan of houses with no hallways, i.e. straight from the front door into the living room. (The two- and one of the four-bed showhouses have no hallways). Some of the bedrooms upstairs have no built-in wardrobes and would be rendered very small by having to add these plus a bed, etc. Gardens seem small enough too. However, the bigger houses have decent-sized kitchens, bathrooms and utility rooms.

Mind you, the place was buzzing and there seemed to be plenty of interest, if the amount of people sitting at tables with the estate agents on their laptops is anything to go by, so I'm sure it will sell out in jig time.

bittihuduga

indeed a busy day for them.. there was a preview last week and almost all of their houses were sold out. this week they released few more houses.
houses with no hall way were the ones with side main door only. the normal front door had hallways.
also the kids room only had no wardrobes if i remember correctly.
anyway - looks like it is sellers market.

Thousandson

We were at the viewing yesterday and noticed the huge interest. This seems like an up and coming area. Can anyone advise on the following:

1. Which commuting option to the city is more reliable and how long is the journey time for bus vs train to city centre.

2. What is the local area like for socialising? We are a young couple with no children.

3. Are there any plans for retail / commercial development in the Hansfield area?

Thanks.

athtrasna

Thousandson wrote: »

1. Which commuting option to the city is more reliable and how long is the journey time for bus vs train to city centre.

Something you might not think but the journey time home is also a factor. There are significantly more bus lanes into town than out of town from Dublin 15

ongarboy

If your work is within walking distance of Docklands, Connolly, Tara or Pearse, then the train is a no brainer. Only 25 to 30 mins journey times from Clonsilla. Hansfield provides direct services to Docklands also. Morning commutes on the buses into city centre typically take 90 minutes.

Regarding socialising, it's up to your taste. The local pubs are decent but quite neighbourhoody, CuCulains of Ongar, Paddocks of Little Pace or Clonsilla Inn ( all within reasonable walking distance without heels! :-) )Nice for a quiet pint but for a proper night out imo, you still have to head into city centre. Taxis home average 25 euro or 6 for weekend Nitelink bus (70n)

I believe Hansfield SDZ long term plan is for some neighbourhood shops but Ongar village is less than10 min walk away and has all your day to day needs Dunnes/butcher/bakery/pharmacy etc. Blanch SC is 10 min drive away

December2012

For socialisation you also have two community centres in walking distance (for evening classes etc)

Also really good gyms around - NAC / Ben dunne.

Pizza project in Ongar village is a great restaurant for brunch or evening food (it's BYOB).

Nitelink serves the area if you're thinking city centre.

TheUnderfaker

Went to have a look yesterday and was fairly disappointed with the size of the living room in the 3 bed semi/end of terrace (The block with 3 bed semis on each side and 2 x 2 bed terraces in between)

I was just having a look on daft.ie today and they have the 3 bed semi-detached up for 275k... The 119sqm one... I wonder if this is legit or are they trying to play some tricks here? I was under the impression that they're going for 295k

OfflerCrocGod

The 3 bed semi is €295K, the mid-terrace is €275K, depending on which end of terrace you are looking at they are either €285K or €290K (south facing garden, all gone now).

Sono

Far too close to Ongar for my liking, I wouldn't be mad on these.

bittihuduga

Sono wrote: »

Far too close to Ongar for my liking, I wouldn't be mad on these.

sorry - do you mean Ongar is not a good neighborhood?

ongarboy

Sono wrote: »

Far too close to Ongar for my liking, I wouldn't be mad on these.

Sounds like Ongar had a lucky escape. Snobs really lower the tone of a neighbourhood!

December2012

I think Ongar is lovely. And the surrounding areas are great. Safe, social, and maturing nicely.

OfflerCrocGod

Sono wrote: »

Far too close to Ongar for my liking, I wouldn't be mad on these.

Is there a lot of antisocial behaviour in Ongar? Crime?

December2012

OfflerCrocGod wrote: »

Is there a lot of antisocial behaviour in Ongar? Crime?

Not that I am aware of.

Godge

OfflerCrocGod wrote: »

Is there a lot of antisocial behaviour in Ongar? Crime?

Depends on what you mean by a lot. Here are a selection of news stories from a quick google, you can draw your own judgement.


http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=16832

http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=12083&Lang=1

http://www.herald.ie/news/courts/brothers-charged-with-robbery-29579191.html

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/gun-falls-apart-during-armed-robbery-of-dublin-supermarket

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/raiders-whose-car-broke-down-following-robbery-escape-jail-30007617.html

http://utv.ie/News/2015/11/17/Elderly-man-robbed-by-thief-posing-as-a-Garda-49021

http://www.herald.ie/news/crime-watch-west-dublin-thieves-steal-life-buoys-31394336.html

Sono

bittihuduga wrote: »

sorry - do you mean Ongar is not a good neighborhood?

I know the area well and have had 2 friends who used to live there, neither would recommend it.

Do you think it's a nice place?

OfflerCrocGod

Sono wrote: »

I know the area well and have had 2 friends who used to live there, neither would recommend it.

Do you think it's a nice place?

It does seem like one of the least desirable neighborhoods in the area, but a lot of the crime linked up above seemed to take place in/target the shops in Ongar (especially Dunnes and Xtra-Vision), I'd imagine the Hartstown shops get their fair share of crime too but I grew up in Hartstown and thought it was a nice area. This thread isn't about Ongar either, I think Barnwell would be a closer comparison, what's crime like in Barnwell?

Godge

OfflerCrocGod wrote: »

It does seem like one of the least desirable neighborhoods in the area, but a lot of the crime linked up above seemed to take place in/target the shops in Ongar (especially Dunnes and Xtra-Vision), I'd imagine the Hartstown shops get their fair share of crime too but I grew up in Hartstown and thought it was a nice area. This thread isn't about Ongar either, I think Barnwell would be a closer comparison, what's crime like in Barnwell?

Why did you ask about Ongar then?

OfflerCrocGod wrote: »

Is there a lot of antisocial behaviour in Ongar? Crime?

The reason I posted articles was that I could tell you stories instead but they mightn't be believed, best to rely on hard evidence. You don't see the same amount of articles about the shops in say Roselawn, do you?

As for Barnwell, it isn't treated separately yet. The best I could do was Barnwell, South Carolina, the 29th most dangerous county in the USA:D:):D

http://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article61950137.html

Sono

December2012 wrote: »

I think Ongar is lovely. And the surrounding areas are great. Safe, social, and maturing nicely.

Do you honestly think it's lovely and he surrounding areas are nice? Honestly now.

OfflerCrocGod

Godge wrote: »

Why did you ask about Ongar then?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101095682&postcount=9

I'd say Barnwell and Hansfield Wood would be closer in terms of atmosphere than Ongar and Hansfield Wood, the fact that Barnwell doesn't seem to have the same issues as Ongar (house prices aren't as low) is a positive sign.

December2012

Sono wrote: »

December2012 wrote: »

I think Ongar is lovely. And the surrounding areas are great. Safe, social, and maturing nicely.

Do you honestly think it's lovely and he surrounding areas are nice? Honestly now.

Yes I genuinely do.

I have never suffered any crime, or anti social behaviour. I am living here for more than a decade. I like the sense of community, I like the schools, the walks, I like the amenities.

I like the way it has matured and the fact that there's a lot on our own doorstep, yet you can be down in Blanchardstown, the Phoenix Park or the airport very quickly

I wish the buses were more direct and the trains more frequent. I wish Fingal CC would take Ongar Village in charge, but I still enjoy what we've got.

I think it can only get better.

bittihuduga

back to Hansfield wood topic - the construction folks said there will be a opening from within the estate connecting to the road to clonsilla station.
the estate agent refused to comment on that.
has anyone else heard about the connecting road?

December2012

That would be great if there was. Maybe Fingal County Council would know.

OfflerCrocGod

There is the pedestrian exit, I presume that's what he's talking about. Eventually buildings will reach all the way down to the train line but even a connecting road won't save much time tbh, maybe a minute?

OfflerCrocGod

They have almost sold out of the first lot of around 30 houses are releasing more houses, up to around 50. Some prices have increased slightly, €5K or so for the three beds. No idea what Barnwell are at, they seem to have fallen asleep can't believe they let HW steal such a march on them.

ongarboy

OfflerCrocGod wrote: »

There is the pedestrian exit, I presume that's what he's talking about. Eventually buildings will reach all the way down to the train line but even a connecting road won't save much time tbh, maybe a minute?

I agree that it could only be a pedestrian route at best. (there will be a direct new road to Hansfield station however). A road would have to cut through St Josephs Daughter of Charity hospital site to access Clonsilla station and I can't see that happening as hospitals usually land bank their sites for future expansion (they already expanded significantly a couple of years back).

Impressed to hear they are selling out fast!

December2012

Barnwell have another launch on 15th October

OfflerCrocGod

December2012 wrote: »

Barnwell have another launch on 15th October

My point is they have just lost out on 30 odd buyers that HW has taken, there is a limited supply of people able and wiling to buy these houses but Barnwell seem to be taking a very relaxed, slow approach.

December2012

Nice time to be a buyer!

OfflerCrocGod

They seem to have sold over 40 of the 50 odd houses they are making available.

Pedro32561

Just wondering if anyone put down a deposit as part of the first phase? What are the timelines after putting down the initial deposit to put a full deposit down and what's the expected completion date?

OfflerCrocGod

Yes, they haven't sent contracts out yet (this week) and the first batch of houses (the ones you see right now) are on the fast track so they want those finished before year end. They don't have ESB connections yet but once that happens they could get some of them to snag in a week or so. I don't think any of those houses are available anymore though.

Pedro32561

OfflerCrocGod wrote: »

Yes, they haven't sent contracts out yet (this week) and the first batch of houses (the ones you see right now) are on the fast track so they want those finished before year end. They don't have ESB connections yet but once that happens they could get some of them to snag in a week or so. I don't think any of those houses are available anymore though.

Thanks for this info. I'm hoping to go for one in the next phase.

OfflerCrocGod

If you aren't looking for one of those houses I imagine it might be months before you have to move to contracts btw as there are no penalties for it taking longer to get to contract (no allowances to take away).

hw1234

Hi am Also waiting on contracts this week. Does anybody know if this estate will be managed and if there are management fees involved?

OfflerCrocGod

The council will take it in charge once it's finished until then there are no management fees (this surprised me too but I think they expect to be finished including the apartments by 2018, well at least the first phase of 200 odd accommodations).

Pedro32561

OfflerCrocGod wrote: »

If you aren't looking for one of those houses I imagine it might be months before you have to move to contracts btw as there are no penalties for it taking longer to get to contract (no allowances to take away).

I haven't viewed the houses yet but what are they like in terms of finish and space? I presume appliances are included and is there LAN cabling?

Eire_2016

does anybody know when the houses already built will be available to move into? Are there tradesmen on site who can do work on the house before hand eg putting in carpets/floors etc...

hw1234

Oh wow that's surprising, anyone I'm talking to keeps telling me that we will defo be caught for management fees. Great news ☺️

hw1234

Pedro32561 wrote: »

I haven't viewed the houses yet but what are they like in terms of finish and space? I presume appliances are included and is there LAN cabling?

Appliances not included, don't know about cabling

athtrasna

Can't see how it would be legally possible for a development with apartments not to have management fees.

Eire_2016

athtrasna wrote: »

Can't see how it would be legally possible for a development with apartments not to have management fees.

Apartments will be separate from houses - management fee payable if you buy apartment - council take over the houses

OfflerCrocGod

Pedro32561 wrote: »

I haven't viewed the houses yet but what are they like in terms of finish and space? I presume appliances are included and is there LAN cabling?

Which one are you interested in? 2, 3 or 4 bed? For the most part they are well laid out, they have very little wasted/dead space but there are gotchas with some of them. Nothing major but it depends on the situation. The finish looks reasonable based on the show house. Compared to other nearby, new houses at that price range.

Nothing is included, hence why I think it's harder to put pressure on you around signing contract soon (not that I think that's an issue as I'd say most people would be happy to move quickly). Well, I lie, the extractor fan over the hob is included. Apart from that there is no allowance for appliances. There is no LAN cabling/sockets which disappointed me.

OfflerCrocGod

Eire_2016 wrote: »

does anybody know when the houses already built will be available to move into? Are there tradesmen on site who can do work on the house before hand eg putting in carpets/floors etc...

Before end of year, I don't know if you can get the tradesmen working on the houses to work on your house, I'd hazard no unless it's at the weekend? Working on site would probably have precedence.

OfflerCrocGod

Eire_2016 wrote: »

Apartments will be separate from houses - management fee payable if you buy apartment - council take over the houses

Yep. The proposed taking in charge is detailed in the planning application they have been granted by Fingal Co Co.

Pedro32561

OfflerCrocGod wrote: »

Which one are you interested in? 2, 3 or 4 bed? For the most part they are well laid out, they have very little wasted/dead space but there are gotchas with some of them. Nothing major but it depends on the situation. The finish looks reasonable based on the show house. Compared to other nearby, new houses at that price range.

Nothing is included, hence why I think it's harder to put pressure on you around signing contract soon (not that I think that's an issue as I'd say most people would be happy to move quickly). Well, I lie, the extractor fan over the hob is included. Apart from that there is no allowance for appliances. There is no LAN cabling/sockets which disappointed me.

I'm only really interested in the larger 3 beds. Think they're type B1 and B4. That's a shame about appliances and LAN. Although as you say there is the benefit of being able to delay contracts. Is the full 10% deposit due at contract signing? Do you know how many houses they've released in the first phase?

Eire_2016

OfflerCrocGod wrote: »

Which one are you interested in? 2, 3 or 4 bed? For the most part they are well laid out, they have very little wasted/dead space but there are gotchas with some of them. Nothing major but it depends on the situation.

What kind of gotchas?

AGUSIA1

I'm also waiting on contract, i hope that they allow extra sockets and tv cabling to be placed where the customer wants (even at cost) id be very disappointed if this wasn't the case. I thought the houses were very spacious and really liked the layout outside,
good drive ways etc.

OfflerCrocGod

Pedro32561 wrote: »

I'm only really interested in the larger 3 beds. Think they're type B1 and B4. That's a shame about appliances and LAN. Although as you say there is the benefit of being able to delay contracts. Is the full 10% deposit due at contract signing? Do you know how many houses they've released in the first phase?

Yes the full 10% is due at contract signing. The B1s are the only ones that have a show house and the things we found annoying about the layout are the way the kitchen door opened (against the fridge) and the third bedroom door being in the middle of a wall as opposed to the side which meant one wall couldn't have either a bed or a wardrobe (apart from a slim one) put against it. This is especially annoying for the smallest bedroom in the house. You also don't get a wardrobe in the third bedroom but you do in the terrace, which we think is down to the position of the door making it difficult to chose a location.

OfflerCrocGod

Pedro32561 wrote: »

Do you know how many houses they've released in the first phase?

It started with ~11, moved to 30 then increased to around 50. I mentioned earlier in the thread that they had sold 40 odd of those but they've stopped having open days which probably indicates they've sold most of the 50. Daft says there are 2 left in the development http://www.daft.ie/dublin/new-homes-for-sale/hansfield-wood-hansfield-wood-hansfield-clonsilla-dublin-67331/ so it looks like they've sold ~50 houses.

OfflerCrocGod

Eire_2016 wrote: »

What kind of gotchas?

I've mentioned some of the issues in the B1 houses above, the A1 have a main bathroom without a window and a weird hallway-like corridor in the bathroom, a small square of the utility room juts into the kitchen, minor enough stuff really.