Selling slurry

Luckysasha

Long story short. We had land and sheds let to a local farmer who has decided he wants out of our arrangement. He had rent outstanding and has no intention of paying so he agreed we could sell the slurry that's in the slatted sheds from last winter. What is the best way to sell it. Ie by the tank or the litre or by the load. Also it would need to be agitated before it can be lifted. What kind of money could we expect to charge.

Waffletraktor

Luckysasha wrote: »

Long story short. We had land and sheds let to a local farmer who has decided he wants out of our arrangement. He had rent outstanding and has no intention of paying so he agreed we could sell the slurry that's in the slatted sheds from last winter. What is the best way to sell it. Ie by the tank or the litre or by the load. Also it would need to be agitated before it can be lifted. What kind of money could we expect to charge.

If he was slacking on the rent you can be sure your own land would be best place for any slurry as inputs were probably scarce.
If you have a written contact dont hesitate to look at debt recovery firms posssibly?

Mooooo

It would probably be better to put it out on your own land to build up fertility in the soil. With weather the way it is unless there are tillage lads close by it may be hard to sell it. If you do want to sell it still could take a sample after agitation and sell on that basis

Luckysasha

Thanks lads. I'm all for spreading it on the land but the women who hold the purse strings want the cash. I know there was a good quantity of fertiliser put out prior to the silage being cut which was one cut a couple of weeks ago. The grass has recovered well with the rain so is there any point putting the slurry out with the grass 6 inches high

Mooooo

Well it won't go anywhere. You could advertise the grass for immediate grazing to clean it off. Lads may take the chance to allow them to build a wedge of grass at home and then you could spread it after. If he only put out nitrogen and nothing else the crop.of silage would have taken off a door bit of p and k which the slurry could help with replacing.

freedominacup

Luckysasha wrote: »

Thanks lads. I'm all for spreading it on the land but the women who hold the purse strings want the cash. I know there was a good quantity of fertiliser put out prior to the silage being cut which was one cut a couple of weeks ago. The grass has recovered well with the rain so is there any point putting the slurry out with the grass 6 inches high

Tell the women who hold the purse strings to have a bit of sense. They've obviously gone after the money once and unsurprisingly have been left badly short. The only place they'll get any money for that slurry is to put it out on their own land. Find a good tenant with a reputation for actually paying his bills as opposed to bidding land up to inflated prices and get them into a solid long term lease at a fair rent. They'll get their money and their land will be properly maintained.

epfff

Lots of slurry round here Free to take away
At times of the year you would get it spread as well

Bass Reeves

In general the cost of spreading slurry is nearly equivilent to the nutrient value. It is unlikely that any farmer will pay you for slurry because of that. It is a case now of taking the loss. your choice now is to either agitate and spread on your own land or letting some neighbour take it away for free.

The economic value of slurry is equivlent to a 1K gallons of slurry is about the same as a bag of 0-7-30 or about 15 euro. The spreading cost will depend on distance and agitating cost but it will be near enough that. This is why any farmer with any cop on will not pay you for it. As well we are entering the end of the growung season.

Your best chance now is if you can get someone to graze the farm before the 15th of October and then spread the slurry on the bare land. Next time be more carefull with your choice of tenant. Let the women mind what is inside the door and try to mind outside yourself.

By the way was he insitu long as I think you had issue's with a tenant a few years ago.

pedigree 6

Luckysasha wrote: »

Thanks lads. I'm all for spreading it on the land but the women who hold the purse strings want the cash. I know there was a good quantity of fertiliser put out prior to the silage being cut which was one cut a couple of weeks ago. The grass has recovered well with the rain so is there any point putting the slurry out with the grass 6 inches high

Forget the slurry. Get your silage back to the value of what the farmer owes you.
Easier sell silage than slurry.

TITANIUM.

I don't think you will be able to sell that slurry tbh.if he made bales there I'd take the difference of what he owes you in bales and then sell then next spring when feeding might be tight by lad's.

He's a cheeky fcuker to leave ye to clean up his **** and ask ye to pay for the privilege. And I'd make sure everyone knows it.

Luckysasha

Silage is gone. 50 acres cut, raked and lifted in the one day by a contractor. All sold to a local dairy man. Our tenant told us he was destocking our land for the winter and only keeping a few castle in sheds at the home place.

_Brian

Luckysasha wrote: »

Silage is gone. 50 acres cut, raked and lifted in the one day by a contractor. All sold to a local dairy man. Our tenant told us he was destocking our land for the winter and only keeping a few castle in sheds at the home place.

Small claims court.
This lad took ye for a right ride. I wouldn't be letting him away, add price of spreading slurry to unpaid rent too.

Some cheek.

Luckysasha

Cheeky is right. Spoke to a solicitor already and he reckons draw a line under it as the cost and hassle chasing him isn't worth it.

Bullocks

Luckysasha wrote: »

Cheeky is right. Spoke to a solicitor already and he reckons draw a line under it as the cost and hassle chasing him isn't worth it.

He's probably right , as freedominacup says get another tenant that has a good reputation for paying his bills and is decent . Get your solicitor to draw up a good lease and everything should be simple going forward.
With the slurry , you would be aswell if you don't want to pay to spread it on yer own land to offer it to a few farming neighbours free to take away

_Brian

Luckysasha wrote: »

Cheeky is right. Spoke to a solicitor already and he reckons draw a line under it as the cost and hassle chasing him isn't worth it.

Lodging a claim in small claims court is virtually free and you don't even need a solicitor to do so, I would do it just to put the count under a bit of pressure.

Luckysasha

Have decided to close the place up for the winter and look for a new lad in the spring. A local dairy man has asked about taking a couple of the sheds for the winter so we will see how that goes. He is going to empty the slurry tanks and after his animals are gone in the spring the tanks will be full again

Sam Kade

_Brian wrote: »

Lodging a claim in small claims court is virtually free and you don't even need a solicitor to do so, I would do it just to put the count under a bit of pressure.

€25 and they will try their best to resolve it between both parties with out going to court, if it does go to court it still won't guarantee payment. Still it would put him under a bit of pressure which he deserves.

Bass Reeves

If there ie 6'' of grass on it you would be better off getting it grazed off as fast as possible. Another option would be to get it taken as silage. However if you do that you be as well getting the slurry spread on the ground to return nutrients.

_Brian

Sam Kade wrote: »

€25 and they will try their best to resolve it between both parties with out going to court, if it does go to court it still won't guarantee payment. Still it would put him under a bit of pressure which he deserves.

Yea I wouldn't just let him walk away.

freedominacup

Bass Reeves wrote: »

If there ie 6'' of grass on it you would be better off getting it grazed off as fast as possible. Another option would be to get it taken as silage. However if you do that you be as well getting the slurry spread on the ground to return nutrients.

This big time. Your sward is going to get hammered if you leave a bank of grass on it over the winter. You're already getting enquiries. Have you any relation/family friend who understands the asset ye have and how to manage it best? There's a farm very close to us that has been let on two long leases over the past twenty years with the tenants recently renewing the lease. It looks like a very well maintained owner occupied farm. Plenty of reseeding, well fenced, roadways and bounds all properly maintained, gets as much nutrient as the tenants own land. Rent a lot lower than the stupid money quoted here at times.

Contrast this with a bit of land we bought 9/10 years ago. No bounds fencing, furze and blackthorn growing 30ft out from bounds ditches in places, completely spun out swards that the weed grasses were almost fcuked in and finally it took as much slurry, lime and p&k as the rest of our land combined over a couple of years to bring into any sort of fertility. Not to mention around €100/acre in digger hire to tidy the mess along the field boundaries. This has been let on conacre for thirty plus years. Conacre to clarify is an eleven month tenancy.

Who2

Cut your losses and take it as a very hard lesson. While the money is probably needed and while very little consolation just hope karma gets the better of them. Small claims court, solicitors and worry isn't worth it, I've had had plenty of experience in this trying to collect money the worry stress and bitterness isn't worth it. I've more experience than most in this. Pick a decent tenant next time and don't be afraid to let others know about him. The last time I was stung I went ape and got it after the other party got nervous but it very well could have ended in me getting in a lot of trouble. Try to forget about it and move on.

Sam Kade

Who2 wrote: »

Cut your losses and take it as a very hard lesson. While the money is probably needed and while very little consolation just hope karma gets the better of them. Small claims court, solicitors and worry isn't worth it, I've had had plenty of experience in this trying to collect money the worry stress and bitterness isn't worth it. I've more experience than most in this. Pick a decent tenant next time and don't be afraid to let others know about him. The last time I was stung I went ape and got it after the other party got nervous but it very well could have ended in me getting in a lot of trouble. Try to forget about it and move on.

Last time some one tried to do me out of money I sent them a registered letter threatening the solicitor and had my money returned within 10 days. I also made an angry phone call before the letter. But I had a paper trail a mile long, I had no intention of wasting money on a solicitor as it was less than €1k but if the letter didn't work I would have started a dispute through the small claims court.

Muckit

_Brian wrote: »

Yea I wouldn't just let him walk away.

Break his 2 legs?

fiat10090dt

How an was ment to payn for the the 50 arce,s?

Sam Kade

fiat10090dt wrote: »

How an was ment to payn for the the 50 arce,s?

Cash, cheque, draft, money transfer. It's fcukers like him that mess it up for honest tenants and the reason many landlords want money up front.

whelan2

Luckysasha wrote: »

Long story short. We had land and sheds let to a local farmer who has decided he wants out of our arrangement. He had rent outstanding and has no intention of paying so he agreed we could sell the slurry that's in the slatted sheds from last winter. What is the best way to sell it. Ie by the tank or the litre or by the load. Also it would need to be agitated before it can be lifted. What kind of money could we expect to charge.

So let's get this straight, he had use of your land and sheds for free and also wants you to get rid of his slurry too ?

Luckysasha

whelan2 wrote: »

So let's get this straight, he had use of your land and sheds for free and also wants you to get rid of his slurry too ?

Not as simple as that. He pays his rent in March and October. No money last March only small payments since then, nowhere near the full amount. Spoke with us and said he wasn't making silaige this year as he was destocking for the winter but had a local dairy man who was going to buy the grass and that's when he would be fit to pay the amount owed to us for March. Silage was taken end of August and small amount of money appeared to us. He moved all his animals 2 weeks ago and told us he had no money to pay the balance of March and we wouldn't be getting anything in October either. So we are trying to raise funds ourselves with what little sellable stuff is left behind

Mooooo

Tell him to pay what he owes, if he has stock he can sell some of them. As one of the lads said above a registered letter may well put the skids under him

fiat10090dt

So he has been tryn to pay u when he has money ? Price per acre?

Sam Kade

Does he drive a fiat 100 90 dt by any chance

Luckysasha

Sam Kade wrote: »

Does he drive a fiat 100 90 dt by any chance

I'm starting to get that feeling alright !!!!!

White Clover

Telling you he has no money even though he has cattle is a bit much. As Mooooo says, tell him to sell the stock or transfer cattle to you to the value of what he owes.
This type of chancer is nothing but a thief.

fiat10090dt

Sorry dispoint u but I'm owed near 30000euro from farmers and most of it I will get. I think the take much over priced land dat is costing a lot than it economic valve

fiat10090dt

Never get

Luckysasha

fiat10090dt wrote: »

Sorry dispoint u but I'm owed near 30000euro from farmers and most of it I will get. I think the take much over priced land dat is costing a lot than it economic valve

Could you calm down a bit and type slower please that way we might stand a chance of actually understanding what your trying to say

Bass Reeves

fiat10090dt wrote: »

Sorry dispoint u but I'm owed near 30000euro from farmers and most of it I will get. I think the take much over priced land dat is costing a lot than it economic valve

I think it should read as below.

Sorry to disappoint you but I am owed nearly 30,000 euro from farmer but most of it I will get. I think they take it much over priced land, that is costing them more than it's economic value.

However I think it is not a solution to selling slurry to recover rent.

PMU

go to the dairy farmer yourself and offer him the grass and the land for grazing or silage next year. put out the slurry in the spring. dont sell it as you are robbing your own ground of nutrients. and keep after the hoor!