Baby Jack russell crying issue

barry1708

* Hello everyone so here is the deal, me and my partner adopted a pet yesterday from <snip> yesterday .

* It's just a puppy (4 months old).

* He's such a cut pie ! He just peed once on the floor and from this incident that was it, the issue comes every time we leave the room. The puppy (Bandit) cry , but he is crying non stop we came back took care of him etc ... nothing changed.

* Today I'm not working but when my partner left this morning I was still in bed after a short night (the dog slept from 10.00 PM to 00.00 then from 00.00 to 4.30 PM

* We gave him two toys (one ball + a teddy bear + water + food ...)

* So I guess he has everything he needs

* We dont sleep with him or in the same room as we think everyone in the house has his own place to sleep.

* So when my partner left this morning , Bandit was half crying / half barking non stop so because I wouldn't bother the neighbours I went down and I kind of ignored him since I woke up.

* He came at <snip> with his brother , we couldn't take both of them so we had to pick one.

* We have a backyard as well.

* I'm scared about tomorrow when we will both have to go to work.

* Will he stay outside / inside ? Will he bother the neighbours by barking all day long?

If you have any tricks that could improve our situation that'll be awesome.

Speedwell

Dogs are pack animals that live and sleep together; it's really that simple. Maybe a dog bed on the floor in your room will help. Since he's a little puppy and he wants to feel safe, some people think that putting an old-fashioned ticking clock under a pillow in the bed with the puppy will mimic a heartbeat and calm him (I've tried it and it works; the only trick is finding such a clock these days, lol). You can't leave a puppy alone in the house all day; he's not able to control his pee and poo for that length of time. You can crate train the puppy (there is a right way and a wrong way to do this); check online for good ways to do it that make sense from a dog training perspective... don't just shut the little thing away for the day. Ignoring a puppy is like ignoring a baby; it won't make him stop, it will just make him more needy.

If you think you have made a bad decision and you can't be responsible for the many special needs of a puppy, please consider trading him for an older, more sedate, trained dog who can tolerate being left alone for the day.

shopper2011

[quote=Speedwell Since he's a little puppy and he wants to feel safe, some people think that putting an old-fashioned ticking clock under a pillow in the bed with the puppy will mimic a heartbeat and calm him (I've tried it and it works; the only trick is finding such a clock these days, .[/quote]


We did the clock thing along with a hot water bottle in a pillow. On a pup we had. It did help. I think its very important that you do train the pup to be content on his own with some water and access to the garden for toilet needs. However taking him into your room, I think is a bad idea. You'll need to make trust yourself he has everything he needs and leave he and ignore him. He will settle.
Its very important you do not respond to his cries and he settles on his own.

We got this wrong with one pup we when we were younger and responded to its cries. Oh my god, did we spend years regretting it. He barked for six years.

barry1708

Hi , thank you both for your replies !
I also thought , do you think its a good idea to let a dog walker to come every day around 12 to let him have a walk ... ?

barry1708

We both really love him but I'm sure he'll learn with time and so , could deal with himself without us in the next couple weeks / months

Knine

barry1708 wrote: »

We both really love him but I'm sure he'll learn with time and so , could deal with himself without us in the next couple weeks / months

How long will he be alone each day & where are you leaving him when you are going to work?

muddypaws

He's a baby thats been taken away from everything that he knows. Of course he will be upset and will cry. You are going to be with him today, but then from tomorrow he will be on his own all day and all night, if he has to sleep away from you? Sorry for sounding harsh, but why did you get a puppy with a set up like that? Puppies take so much work and attention to try and ensure they develop into secure, happy adults.

When you say he has everything he needs, with water, toys etc - no, he doesn't, he needs attention and stimulation that only his family, and that is you now, can give him.

Why did you ignore him? He needs reassurance and attention.


He has a tiny bladder, so needs to go outside every few hours, a dog walker coming in once a day when he's so young won't be enough. Spending all of that time on his own is really not good for him. I'm very surprised that a rescue rehomed a pup to such a set up, although maybe I'm not.

cats pyjamas

A puppy needs attention and someone at home during the day. Plus he is too young to be brought out with a dog walker. A puppy that age should only be walked for max 5-10 mins and play for a short time then cuddles and attention. You wouldn't leave a 4 month old baby at home all on their own would you?

meme74

You have to have patience. He has had alot of things happen to him in such a short time. He is only a baby and has no idea what is going on and why he has been taken from his brother/mother etc. You have to see it from his point of view and the confusion he is going through. And you have to comfort him and let him know that you are now his security and pack leader.

He will grow out of it and become content if you deal with it the right way. would agree bringing him into your room is a bad option unless you want him to continue to sleep with you every night.

Put a t-shirt of yours into the bed along with a hot water bottle wrapped in the t-shirt. The warmth and scent of you can comfort him somewhat. There is no miracle cure im afraid though you will just need to be patient and let him come to terms with his new life in hi sown time to some extent

Does he have all his injections?

Tilikum

cats pyjamas wrote: »

A puppy needs attention and someone at home during the day. Plus he is too young to be brought out with a dog walker. A puppy that age should only be walked for max 5-10 mins and play for a short time then cuddles and attention. You wouldn't leave a 4 month old baby at home all on their own would you?

+1

I'm sorry but I find it so infuriating when I read that people get a dog, only to leave him there on his own for hours. And a puppy no less?? I bring my little lad out everyday and all I hear are dogs crying/howling in back gardens as they've been left there all day.

Tranceypoo

muddypaws wrote:

. I'm very surprised that a rescue rehomed a pup to such a set up, although maybe I'm not.

+1 very surprised

Tranceypoo

meme74 wrote:

And you have to comfort him and let him know that you are now his pack leader.

No, not this! No pack leader!

meme74

Tranceypoo wrote: »

No, not this! No pack leader!

A dog needs to know who his leader is what are u talking about? Care to elaborate?

andreac

meme74 wrote: »

A dog needs to know who his leader is what are u talking about? Care to elaborate?

Oh dear. Another Caesar fan by the looks of it. This whole theory is outdated and has been proven so. I suggest you do some research on it.

muddypaws

Dogs don't live in packs, so they don't need a pack leader.

DBB

meme74 wrote: »

A dog needs to know who his leader is what are u talking about? Care to elaborate?

It's been done to death here meme74, if you do a forum search you'll find plenty on it. Pack leadership as a model for dog social behaviour has been roundly debunked for some years now. A couple of articles below from a couple of really well known qualified, certified, dog behaviour practitioners...

http://www.apbc.org.uk/articles/caninedominance

http://www.apbc.org.uk/articles/why-wont-dominance-die

Edited to add: link to the Dog Welfare Campaign, supported by all the major animal behaviour and Welfare umbrella organisations...
http://www.dogwelfarecampaign.org

meme74

andreac wrote: »

Oh dear. Another Caesar fan by the looks of it. This whole theory is outdated and has been proven so. I suggest you do some research on it.

Please don't be so patronising.

I have raised a very well behaved and well rounded dog myself and he knows exactly who his leader is. Each to their own. There is research for both sides of the argument in fairness. Some people are so rude and Up their own arses it embarrassing

DBB

meme74 wrote: »

Please don't be so bloody patronising.

I have raised a very well behaved and well rounded dog myself and he knows exactly who his leader is. Each to their own. There is research for both sides of the argument in fairness. Some people are so rude and Up their own arses it embarrassing

If you can find reasonably up to date peer-reviewed research that supports dominance or pack leadership as a model for dog management and training, please post links.
Or, if you can find a qualified, certified animal behaviour practitioner who espouses dominance or pack leadership, please post links.

Meme74,
With mod hat on, I'd suggest you find a far polite way of expressing your opinion in this forum. There is zero need for such aggression. If you have a problem with a post, as per the boards rules, please report it.
Thanks,
DBB

sillysmiles

You and your partner are now the puppy's family. What's wrong with letting him sleep in your room for a few days and slowly move him out once he gets more secure.

OP, can I ask how much research you have done in to puppies and training and food and behaviour before getting this puppy? Have you thought about crate training? Is he toilet trained for night times? Do you know how train and more importantly how not to train?

Bunnyslippers

Echo others, how long is this little pup being left alone for?! He's a baby what do you expect, puppies need a lot of attention, reassurance, care and plenty of pee breaks, every hour or so at this age, basically every time he wakes up, eats and after a play, plus during the night at least once or twice at this age, and for a good few more months as he only has a tiny bladder! If you don't put the time and effort in at this age you'll have a dog with serious issues that will spend his day barking continuously!
He also needs about three or four feeds a day, so who will fed him when you're out?
I've always taken new pups to bed with me until they have settled and are happy in their new home, and used to all the new smells and people, must be very frightening for such a small baby animal! I've found after the first week they are usually very settled and don't need to carry on sleeping with you, and will happily sleep wherever you have chosen for them during the day, I've never had a puppy cry, I've had three terrier pups in the last five years and all have been great.

Crate training is great if you do it right, we rescued a terrier mix pup last year and his owner kept him in a crate all night, played with him in the morning till about nine then shut him in it all day until she got home from work at six or later, he got into a habit of happily peeing in his crate and sleeping in it, he had a skin rash because of the pee burning his skin, took us over six months to get him out of that habit.

If you are at work all day then you seriously need to ask yourselves if it's fair to keep a puppy, maybe as others have suggested an older dog maybe a bit more suitable as then a dog walker would be a good idea, or even a cat instead?

barry1708

Hello everyone so here is an update for you I really appreciate all your comments it helped me a lot.

We go for walks together we went to a parc also to play with his.

Yesterday he slept all night without an issue.

From 10.30 PM to 5.15 AM (when we woke up).

We where really proud of him.

I understand that a puppy needs attention and we do our max to provide him attention.

We both really love him and he seems to enjoy our company too.

So we are all really going on well so far.

thanks for your help