Dublin is one of the most dominant cities in the developed world

D Trent

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/reply/2057646079/post/100998043

I can't believe I'm quoting an AH thread but if it wasn't for it I wouldn't have seen it .......
.....And risks sprawling across much of the eastern part of Ireland.

A conference, held at NUI Galway, warned the capital and the east will continue to thrive at the expense of the rest of Ireland if action is not taken to address regional planning.

It accounts for about half the GDP output in the country and 40pc of the population.

"Dublin is the same in size and population terms as the next 40 towns and cities combined in Ireland.

He said comparable small countries all had twice as many cities at levels below Dublin with three times as many the size of Cork.

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This is not good for the country of Ireland as a whole ,If something is not done there could be severe consequences for the the whole country in the not to distant future. So AH what your opinions ?[/quote]

Banjoxed

D Trent wrote: »

I can't believe I'm quoting an AH thread but if it wasn't for it I wouldn't have seen it .......

And risks sprawling across much of the eastern part of Ireland.

A conference, held at NUI Galway, warned the capital and the east will continue to thrive at the expense of the rest of Ireland if action is not taken to address regional planning.

It accounts for about half the GDP output in the country and 40pc of the population.

"Dublin is the same in size and population terms as the next 40 towns and cities combined in Ireland.

He said comparable small countries all had twice as many cities at levels below Dublin with three times as many the size of Cork.

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This is not good for the country of Ireland as a whole ,If something is not done there could be severe consequences for the the whole country in the not to distant future. So AH what your opinions ?

Well if the west keeps getting developed on a one house per acre basis we can forget about Galway being a coherent and well planned counterweight to Dublin

cgcsb

What is the problem with having one large alpha city? Assuming it's well planned and supplied with suitable infrastructure. People all over Denmark for example recognise Copenhagen as being 'their City'. It's their only large city, market of international significance and gateway to the world. They're all proud of it and it produces most of their countries revenue.

Having a large city means you can bring some really big players into the country.

In Ireland you wouldn't even get someone from somewhere as close as Tullamore acknowledging those facts. Everyone wants their Borden tar maced begorra.

newcar2016

I don't mind since I'm from the Dublin Region, keep it local I say

murphaph

Nobody in Dublin is forcing the dispersed development seen up and down the country. We can't even force people to build houses in their nearest village rather than out in a field somewhere, so how can we force the building of a counterweight to Dublin?!

KingBrian2

Dublin is just that good.

yermanoffthetv

Not all development outside Dublin is dispersed one off housing. Limerick has being trying for years to get some projects going and its now begining to bear fruit. Hopefully the recent job announcements and investments will spur furter growth in The city.Theres alot of potential for that town.

ClovenHoof

The report is just a post modernist version of Nobody Cried Stop.

Nobody wants to live in Leitrim and certainly not the kind of people and businesses of the 21st Century. People want amenities, cultural centers, top concerts and accessibility. Not everyone is happy having their lives revolving around an inter-parish bog ball grudge match once a year and calling it a 'great quality of life'.

All that was missing from that report was the usual Catholic priest waving his rosary beads.

Ben D Bus

I'm all in favour of Cork, Limerick, Galway thriving as cities in their own right. All it takes is to persuade the people of Longford, Leitrim, Clare, Tipp, Kerry etc. to move there. And make and draw investment based on what they have to offer.

So long as the approach to 'balanced development' doesn't involve hobbling Dublin and it's growth as a city of international significance.

I do, however, fear further sprawl into the surrounding counties if we don't start thinking of Dublin as a true city and aim for increasing densities and infrastructure befitting a modern capital.

murphaph

We're a great little country for the auld artist's impressions of infrastructure alright.

D.L.R.

This is not good for the country of Ireland as a whole

Why?

If something is not done there could be severe consequences for the the whole country in the not to distant future.

Like what?

oscarBravo

cgcsb wrote: »

People all over Denmark for example recognise Copenhagen as being 'their City'.

Yeah... no. That's the sort of thing a Copenhagener will tell you.

People from Odense recognise Odense as their city. People from Aarhus recognise Aarhus as their city. People from Horsens... you get the idea.

Denmark has the same capital city/rest of the country divide as Ireland does. Copenhageners think of Jutlanders as illiterate hicks; Jutlanders think of Copenhageners as snobs with an inflated sense of their own importance.

newacc2015

yermanoffthetv wrote: »

Not all development outside Dublin is dispersed one off housing. Limerick has being trying for years to get some projects going and its now begining to bear fruit. Hopefully the recent job announcements and investments will spur furter growth in The city.Theres alot of potential for that town.

Not all housing outside Dublin is one off housing, but a lot of it is. Living in a city is amazing. The lifestyle of OAPs living in Dublin is far better than any OAP living in the West. The services in cities are superior to rural areas and there is less loneliness. But the fact is most people living in rural Ireland would rather live in a McMansion moaning about bad roads, no public transport and loneliness than live in a city. I believe that if most people obsessed with living in the countryside lived in a city for a bit, they would think twice about living in the middle of nowhere. They would see all the benefits of living in a city trumps living in a slightly larger home

IMO our LPT system should penalise new builds outside of urban areas. You shouldnt be asking the tax payer to subsidies your lifestyle choices and decision to build on marginally cheaper land outside of the city. We dont really need to make cities that more attractive to live in, just make living outside of them a lot more expensive.

oscarBravo

newacc2015 wrote: »

But the fact is most people living in rural Ireland would rather live in a McMansion...

The fact is that most people living in rural Ireland live in relatively modest homes.

If you're going to talk in caricatures, at least try to avoid the word "fact".

Charles Babbage

newacc2015 wrote: »

We dont really need to make cities that more attractive to live in, just make living outside of them a lot more expensive.

Ah,the positivity of it all. Have crap cities, but make it compulsory to live in them.