2017 NFL Draft

Paully D

Date: April 27th-29th
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
TV: ESPN and NFL Network

A new season = a new draft thread.

Here's a few resources which you may find interesting to keep an eye on as the season progresses:

Matt Miller's 2017 Big Board
Sports Illustrated's 2017 Big Board
CBS Sports' 2017 Prospect Rankings
Mel Kiper's 2017 Big Board (ESPN Insider subscription required)

Also, here's our 2016 draft thread which is a very interesting read looking back:

2016 NFL Draft - Boards

So, what prospects are you high on? Are there any players being talked about as high first round prospects that you think will completely slip down as the season progresses? Are there any storylines you're looking forward to following over the next 7 months?

adrian522

Just 231 days to go.

ScummyMan

Will we see any teams "Lose for Fournette", similar to Luck a few years ago? RBs are less important I suppose, but he looks an unbelievable prospect.

JaMarcusHustle

ScummyMan wrote:

Will we see any teams "Lose for Fournette", similar to Luck a few years ago? RBs are less important I suppose, but he looks an unbelievable prospect.

Probably the best year for RBs in a long time looking at it. Fournette, Cook and my favorite Chubb could have legitimate claims to be first round or early second round picks. Then you've got the do it all backs in McCaffrey and Freeman.

jack presley

ScummyMan wrote: »

Will we see any teams "Lose for Fournette", similar to Luck a few years ago? RBs are less important I suppose, but he looks an unbelievable prospect.

It needs a catchy name though. We had 'Suck for Luck' and 'Clowning for Clowney'. I'm sure someone will come up with one for Fournette too.

Paully D

jack presley wrote: »

It needs a catchy name though. We had 'Suck for Luck' and 'Clowning for Clowney'. I'm sure someone will come up with one for Fournette too.

Fail for Fournette?

Paully D

Paully D wrote: »

****ed for Fournette?

Fyp

JaMarcusHustle

Burn it to the Ground
For Fournette on the Ground

It's crap but I'll take it

Knex*

I don't think I could ever justify taking a RB with your first pick.

I'd sooner trade down or even grab Deshaun Watson. Even more so when you consider its going to be one of the deepest RB classes in a long time. The value isn't there for me.

Even look at last year's draft and you see Gurley and Gordon in the first round, time will tell if they're worth that pick. David Johnson was taken in the fourth, and he's the one with the most hype around him now because of his receiving ability.

Personally, even with Giants RB woes, if we end up with the number 1 pick I would be crying out for them to trade down instead of taking a RB. Even if they could potentially be Peterson or LT.

I think in the NLF today, your RB is down the pecking order in terms of importance for an offense. QB, OL and WR1 trumping them.

Is he really a potentially transcendent type running back to potentially justify the pick?

jack presley

Cleveland will be taking a QB with the first pick.

eagle eye

I think Fournette is overrated. It happens in the SEC a lot with RBs. Look what happened when he went up against 'Bama last year. That performance will give pause for thought to many.

I really like a QB in this class and it's Luke Falk. He would be my no.1 pick in this draft, he is the best since Andrew Luck and might even be better than him.

eagle eye

jack presley wrote: »

Cleveland will be taking a QB with the first pick.

Going by the weekend they'll have the third pick at best after the Titans pick first and second. The Titans were awful and the Rams were worse. Browns at least put up a half decent effort.

Knex*

eagle eye wrote: »

I think Fournette is overrated. It happens in the SEC a lot with RBs. Look what happened when he went up against 'Bama last year. That performance will give pause for thought to many.

I really like a QB in this class and it's Luke Falk. He would be my no.1 pick in this draft, he is the best since Andrew Luck and might even be better than him.

Has Falk declared for this draft, or is there still a chance he waits till 2018?

eagle eye

Knex. wrote: »

Has Falk declared for this draft, or is there still a chance he waits till 2018?

He could wait but if he goes he is no.1 for me. They don't usually announce it until late in the season.

JaMarcusHustle

Surprised Kizer isn't higher up on those draft boards. He looks the most pro-ready of any of them. His new LT Mike McGlinchey should be quite high too.

brinty

Woo-hoo
2017 draft thread already
Bring it in

Looking forward to lots of college football this year and been viewing lots of games

Is the QB from Louisville draft eligible?
Been ripping it up but how will he do against better opponents ... and we know that qbs don't rush as often in NFL as college football, but his arm looked good

Paully D

So 10 weeks in and the following teams are making up the top 5 for first pick.

The top 4 will probably stay the same (in whatever order) while a couple of others are in the hunt for a top 5 pick:

1) Browns (0-10)
2) 49ers (1-8)
3) Bears (2-7)
4) Jaguars (2-7)
5) Jets (3-7)

All of the above need QB's too (and yes, I'm including the Jaguars in that). Very intriguing. You could be looking at a situation where Watson, Kizer and Tribusky all go in the first few picks. Madness IMO, but plenty of teams are desperate.

Knex*

Wouldn't be surprised to see Browns trade down again and see what they have with Kessler and RGIII for another year.

brinty

Knex. wrote:

Wouldn't be surprised to see Browns trade down again and see what they have with Kessler and RGIII for another year.

That would be a browns thing to do alright... and end 2017 in exactly the same position

If we see a run on qbs and running backs early great. As a cowboys fan I'm happy to see talents like Myles Garrett,Tim Williams and Jonathan Allen drop down and closer to where the cowboys could get them in trade ups without giving up the whole farm..

DDC1990

JaMarcusHustle wrote:

Surprised Kizer isn't higher up on those draft boards. He looks the most pro-ready of any of them. His new LT Mike McGlinchey should be quite high too.

Did you watch a Season with Notre Dame.

I don't know what it was but I really didn't warm to Kizer. He came across as selfish. He always talked about his stats and not the team. Was weird.

Maybe I read him wrong but thats the impression I got from him.

Kal El

Paully D wrote: »

So 10 weeks in and the following teams are making up the top 5 for first pick.

The top 4 will probably stay the same (in whatever order) while a couple of others are in the hunt for a top 5 pick:

1) Browns (0-10)
2) 49ers (1-8)
3) Bears (2-7)
4) Jaguars (2-7)
5) Jets (3-7)

All of the above need QB's too (and yes, I'm including the Jaguars in that). Very intriguing. You could be looking at a situation where Watson, Kizer and Tribusky all go in the first few picks. Madness IMO, but plenty of teams are desperate.

How can you keep a straight face and say Browns need a new qb :pac:

brinty

Kal El wrote:

How can you keep a straight face and say Browns need a new qb

They need a new everything and now is the time they started cashing in all these picks they have stockpiled

How many first rounders do they have?? Two or three perhaps

Kal El

brinty wrote: »

They need a new everything and now is the time they started cashing in all these picks they have stockpiled

How many first rounders do they have?? Two or three perhaps

I was joking
And yes they need everything

brinty

Kal El wrote:

I was joking And yes they need everything

Knew you were joking mate
😋

Kal El

brinty wrote: »

Knew you were joking mate
😋

:o
Fancy moving to Ohio myself reckon my arm would improve there situation :pac:

brinty

Kal El wrote: »

:o
Fancy moving to Ohio myself reckon my arm would improve there situation :pac:

You're not wrong

tripperman

Seen pictures online this morning that will probably cause Ole Mis QB Chad Kelly to tumble down draft board's, wasn't going to go before round three in the first place after his knee injury, but will cost him come draft all the same

brinty

tripperman wrote: »

Seen pictures online this morning that will probably cause Ole Mis QB Chad Kelly to tumble down draft board's, wasn't going to go before round three in the first place after his knee injury, but will cost him come draft all the same

Having watched a bit of Ole Miss I have never been impressed by Kelly and find it hard to see a team who'd take a punt on him. I may be wrong but i saw drafts earlier in the year where he was in the first round, then on the ole miss bye week got in the scuffle with his brothers high school team and thats caused his stock to fall and now its falling again. Potential he could go undrafted if he doesn't get his act together.

Paully D

Browns have an "astronomical grade" on Myles Garrett:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18253765/cleveland-browns-astronomical-grade-myles-garrett-texas-aggies-possible-no-1-pick?sf46056605=1

As the 0-12 Cleveland Browns get closer to clinching the No. 1 overall draft pick, there is a real chance that the team will not use its top selection on a quarterback.

The Browns have what one source close to the situation described as an "astronomical grade" on Texas A&M defensive end Myles Garrett, a blue-chip prospect who could dramatically upgrade Cleveland's defense. The Browns are enamored with Garrett, according to the source.

Taking Garrett could upgrade the defense but also would likely deny the Browns the chance to take the top-rated quarterback in the draft. But Cleveland is doing its due diligence in scouting quarterbacks. Browns scout Lake Dawson, who once starred at Notre Dame, has spent an inordinate amount of time in South Bend scouting Fighting Irish quarterback DeShone Kizer, according to a school source. Many expect Kizer, a junior, to announce he will turn pro as soon as this week.

The Browns could also look to address the quarterback position through a trade, as some believe they will make a run at New England Patriots quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo after the season. The Browns and Patriots have been trade partners twice this season.

Even if the Browns go with Garrett with their No. 1 selection, Cleveland still has an extra first-round draft pick, compliments of the Philadelphia Eagles, to pursue the quarterback it wants.

The Browns lead the San Francisco 49ers (1-11) in the race to the first overall pick.

JaMarcusHustle

I wouldn't disagree with them for once.

D9Male

How expensive would Jimmy G be? I guess he would cost a first round pick given how desperate some teams are (and the supposed dearth of QB talent entering the draft). Assuming they pick in 10th place (via Philadelphia) would that be the price of Garoppolo?

Realt Dearg Sec

D9Male wrote: »

How expensive would Jimmy G be? I guess he would cost a first round pick given how desperate some teams are (and the supposed dearth of QB talent entering the draft). Assuming they pick in 10th place (via Philadelphia) would that be the price of Garoppolo?

The history of teams paying for Patriots backups suggests that 1) someone will pay big for him and 2) they really shouldn't bother.

brinty

D9Male wrote: »

How expensive would Jimmy G be? I guess he would cost a first round pick given how desperate some teams are (and the supposed dearth of QB talent entering the draft). Assuming they pick in 10th place (via Philadelphia) would that be the price of Garoppolo?

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

The history of teams paying for Patriots backups suggests that 1) someone will pay big for him and 2) they really shouldn't bother.

Based on these and comments if Garropolo is worth 10th overall draft pick Dallas should be asking for a 1st and more for Romo. He's far more proven. I think the Jets could be desperate now, and they'd not be the worst place for Tony to go.

Paully D

D9Male wrote: »

How expensive would Jimmy G be? I guess he would cost a first round pick given how desperate some teams are (and the supposed dearth of QB talent entering the draft). Assuming they pick in 10th place (via Philadelphia) would that be the price of Garoppolo?

Anything higher than a 4th rounder would be madness to be giving up for him IMO.

brinty

brinty wrote: »

Based on these and comments if Garropolo is worth 10th overall draft pick Dallas should be asking for a 1st and more for Romo. He's far more proven. I think the Jets could be desperate now, and they'd not be the worst place for Tony to go.

He's also coming to the end of his career and has an injury history that should terrify every team that first for Jimmy g would be for potential not for what he has proven (and he does not have the huge contract that romo has)the Cowboys may get a late first but unless a team is win now then they shouldn't even look at him at any price

Realt Dearg Sec

If someone has a late first pick, they probably already have a decent quarterback.

brinty

Realt Dearg Sec wrote:

If someone has a late first pick, they probably already have a decent quarterback.

Denver don't

adrian522

Arizona could be an option for Romo. I wouldn't see them giving up a first round pick for him though.

Realt Dearg Sec

brinty wrote: »

Realt Dearg Sec wrote:

If someone has a late first pick, they probably already have a decent quarterback.

Denver don't

Touché

JaMarcusHustle

Jeremy McNichols has declared for the draft. With Chubb returning for his senior year, McNichols is my favourite player in this draft. I think he'll be a great NFL running back.

JaMarcusHustle

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

Jeremy McNichols has declared for the draft. With Chubb returning for his senior year, McNichols is my favourite player in this draft. I think he'll be a great NFL running back.

Chubb and freeman deciding to stay is hugh someone was getting serious value with Chubb in particular

JaMarcusHustle

Jake Butt, potential first round pick, looks to have torn his ACL or MCL in the Orange Bowl, according to Jim Harbaugh.

Don't think anyone can question Christian McCaffrey now.

brinty

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

Jake Butt, potential first round pick, looks to have torn his ACL or MCL in the Orange Bowl, according to Jim Harbaugh.

Don't think anyone can question Christian McCaffrey now.

Fair point mate

I'll say it now

Dallas takes him in round two if still available. We love guys like that, round one potential with character flaws (Gregory in 2015) or Injury issues (Jaylon Smith in 2016)

tripperman

Rumours online Texas Tech QB Patrick Mahomes could declare for the draft, would love to see the chargers draft him in round 3, I think he would fall that far after his recent wrist surgery and as he is more of a long term development guy then Mitch Turbisky, but Mahomes is the perfect QB to learn from Philip Rivers for the chargers

brinty

tripperman wrote:

Rumours online Texas Tech QB Patrick Mahomes could declare for the draft, would love to see the chargers draft him in round 3, I think he would fall that far after his recent wrist surgery and as he is more of a long term development guy then Mitch Turbisky, but Mahomes is the perfect QB to learn from Philip Rivers for the chargers

Saw somewhere that mahomes could be the best pro QB in this draft. Taking a flyer on him in the third could be a great pick, if he's still there at that time..

Foxtrol

brinty wrote: »

Fair point mate

I'll say it now

Dallas takes him in round two if still available. We love guys like that, round one potential with character flaws (Gregory in 2015) or Injury issues (Jaylon Smith in 2016)

I'll see what Dallas have done and raise you the 49ers draft strategy under Baalke - since the 2013 draft they have drafted 7 guys who were rehabbing from ACL injuries. None so far have been rewarded.

AbusesToilets

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

Jake Butt, potential first round pick, looks to have torn his ACL or MCL in the Orange Bowl, according to Jim Harbaugh.

Don't think anyone can question Christian McCaffrey now.

Be a nice pick up for the Pats. Take a wing on him, similar to Gronk years back. ACL tears aren't the career enders they used to be.

JaMarcusHustle

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Be a nice pick up for the Pats. Take a wing on him, similar to Gronk years back. ACL tears aren't the career enders they used to be.

It wouldn't be a Patriots draft class without someone who had a potentially career threatening injury!

D9Male

OK, so this is the first year that I have started to follow draft prospects as they play. I have only seen highlights of a few games, but read a bit of analysis and watched some tape. I have a few questions.

- Most mocks project just two QBs in round 1. Will there really be this few? I remember previous years that the draft circus tended to talk QBs into high first rounders after they were projected much lower at this time of the year.

- On a similar note, I find it hard to believe that teams in need of a QB picking in the 16-32 area will resist the temptation to pick up DeShaun Watson. The bits and pieces of games I have seen would give hope that he can be a guy. Maybe the Cardinals might pick a QB at 13 as a successor?

- The corner back class seems to be really deep. Drafts seem to mock 5-7 corners in the first round. This seems unusually high to me.

- Is the consensus from a few years ago that RB's are a bad idea in the first round gone? I always bought into that consensus, as it seems far more of a plug and play position, with a high attrition rate. Over their two years, Gurley and Gordon average 3.9 and 3.7 YPA. Ezekiel is possibly a combination of being freakishly talented and behind an all-time great run-blocking OL. Are Fournette, Cook and McCaffrey really good enough to draft in the first?

HigginsJ

Give it about a month to hear about the 9 franchise QB's in that will go in the 1st round. You will have guys who remind you of Elway and Luck and Newton!!

I'd be very surprised if only 2 went in the 1st round. If Goff & Wentz can go 1 and 2 in the draft then the likes of Watson, Mahomes will definitely end up in the 1st round. There are 6-7 teams that desperately need a QB, I would suggest the over/under would be 4 QB's in the 1st. Teams way overvalue QB's in the draft.

I'd be shocked if Fournette doesn't go in the top 10, he is a better prospect than Zeke or Gurley IMO. I don't know a huge amount about Cook, haven't paid much attention to him so I won't comment.

Christian McCaffery gives me a funny feeling inside, I think the guy is going to be an absolute stud. He will guarantee you 1,000 yards running and 500 yards receiving every year for the next decade. Somewhat of an unfair comparison but my god he could be LaDainian Tomlinson.

Knex*

HigginsJ wrote: »

Give it about a month to hear about the 9 franchise QB's in that will go in the 1st round. You will have guys who remind you of Elway and Luck and Newton!!

I'd be very surprised if only 2 went in the 1st round. If Goff & Wentz can go 1 and 2 in the draft then the likes of Watson, Mahomes will definitely end up in the 1st round. There are 6-7 teams that desperately need a QB, I would suggest the over/under would be 4 QB's in the 1st. Teams way overvalue QB's in the draft.

I'd be shocked if Fournette doesn't go in the top 10, he is a better prospect than Zeke or Gurley IMO. I don't know a huge amount about Cook, haven't paid much attention to him so I won't comment.

Christian McCaffery gives me a funny feeling inside, I think the guy is going to be an absolute stud. He will guarantee you 1,000 yards running and 500 yards receiving every year for the next decade. Somewhat of an unfair comparison but my god he could be LaDainian Tomlinson.

Charlie Campbell on Walter Football has McCaffery to the Giants, actually. Following Giants the last few years, however, there is zero point even attempting to predict their draft.

Looking forward to spending time over the next few months reading up on this draft class, to be honest. Have a vague familiarity with a lot of the top prospects, but not enough to remotely form any opinions or anything yet.