How to plumb a water trough?

DJ98

Bought one of these recently and am now wondering how to set it up (join the pipe to the trough). Sorry for bothering all ye with stupid wuestions.

bullnuts

DJ98 wrote: »

Bought one of these recently and am now wondering how to set it up (join the pipe to the trough). Sorry for bothering all ye with stupid wuestions.

Go to your local coop ask them for the fittings you will need ! The ball cock is already fitted

whelan2

bullnuts wrote: »

Go to your local coop ask them for the fittings you will need ! Including a ball cock

Get them to show you how to use them too. Took me a while with all the bits

Muckit

Spend 2500k doing the green cert. It's covered in it.

Alternatively, call a plumber!

freedominacup

whelan2 wrote: »

Get them to show you how to use them too. Took me a while with all the bits

Surely all that's needed with that set-up is a tank fitting to suit the water pipe coming to the trough?

whelan2

freedominacup wrote: »

Surely all that's needed with that set-up is a tank fitting to suit the water pipe coming to the trough?

Could be an elbow, could also need plumbers tape. Also dont over tighten

freedominacup

whelan2 wrote: »

Could be an elbow, could also need plumbers tape. Also dont over tighten

If you have a number to do a trip to a plumbing suppliers and buy a pack of 10/12 rolls of plumbers tape for little more than you'll buy them singly elsewhere.

J.O. Farmer

Muckit wrote: »

Spend 2500k doing the green cert. It's covered in it.

You sure about that. I did the online part time course and I don't recall that particular box being ticked or needing to be ticked. It's far too practical.

whelan2

freedominacup wrote: »

If you have a number to do a trip to a plumbing suppliers and buy a pack of 10/12 rolls of plumbers tape for little more than you'll buy them singly elsewhere.

years ago a workman here told me ptfe tape stood for plumbers tape for everything, only recently found out it doest stand for that at all

N365

You'll probably need a roll of qualpex long enough to reach your supply. You'll then need fittings and inserts. Usually 1/2 inch or 1inch. No meet for page tape. It's really not that difficult. Ask in your local hardware for advice.

N365

N365 wrote: »

You'll probably need a roll of qualpex long enough to reach your supply. You'll then need fittings and inserts. Usually 1/2 inch or 1inch. No need for PTFE. tape. It's really not that difficult. Ask in your local hardware for advice.

Pm me if you need help

J.O. Farmer

N365 wrote: »

N365 wrote: »

You'll probably need a roll of qualpex long enough to reach your supply. You'll then need fittings and inserts. Usually 1/2 inch or 1inch. No need for PTFE. tape. It's really not that difficult. Ask in your local hardware for advice.

Pm me if you need help

I think he might need the plumbers tape. Them threads on the ballcock won't seal themselves. I'd also use hydrogare rather than qualpex

kevthegaff

Elbow with reducer if pipe is too big, I prefer the Phil macs simple, new one out based on it. Those quick attach ones were a disaster!

Dtp1979

Don't use standard plumbing tape. It's rubbish.
Use gas ptfe. 1 roll is plenty. Find out what size pipe you currently have that you'll be bringing the supply from
, then get back to me and I'll tell you what else you need

kollegeknight

I use the White plumbers paste. I find it a great job.

N365

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

I think he might need the plumbers tape. Them threads on the ballcock won't seal themselves. I'd also use hydrogare rather than qualpex

Yep, you're right probably better with hydrdare if being used in a field . No need for the PTFE tape really.i never use it with instantor or qualpex.

Dtp1979

N365 wrote: »

Yep, you're right probably better with hydrdare if being used in a field . No need for the PTFE tape really.i never use it with instantor or qualpex.

You don't need the ptfe for the compression side. You need to put it on the male threads of the ballcock if not using qualpex

J.O. Farmer

Dtp1979 wrote: »

N365 wrote: »

Yep, you're right probably better with hydrdare if being used in a field . No need for the PTFE tape really.i never use it with instantor or qualpex.

You don't need the ptfe for the compression side. You need to put it on the male threads of the ballcock if not using qualpex

That's where I was thinking of it but how do you avoid it with qualpex

Dtp1979

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

That's where I was thinking of it but how do you avoid it with qualpex

Get a 1/2" BSP thread female to whatever size hydrodare you have going to the trough

J.O. Farmer

Dtp1979 wrote: »

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

That's where I was thinking of it but how do you avoid it with qualpex

Get a 1/2" BSP thread female to whatever size hydrodare you have going to the trough

You'll still need plumbers tape on the thread though.

Dtp1979

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

You'll still need plumbers tape on the thread though.

Yes, I stated that above already. And use gas ptfe

J.O. Farmer

Dtp1979 wrote: »

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

You'll still need plumbers tape on the thread though.

Yes, I stated that above already. And use gas ptfe

Sorry my mistake I thought you said it was needed if not using qualpex. I was scratching the auld head here about that.

Dtp1979

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Sorry my mistake I thought you said it was needed if not using qualpex. I was scratching the auld head here about that.

I did. If you're using qualpex you just use a compression nut and ring on the ballcock. Some tape on the olive only may help.
If you're using an adapter from ballcock to hydrodare, then put ptfe onto the threads clockwise, and screw on the adapter for hydrodare. It's a plastic fitting so be careful not to cross-thread it.
If you leave the first couple of threads on the brass bare it'll make for and easier time getting the plastic fitting on properly

MfMan

+1 on the plumbers paste. Find it seals fittings much better than tape. Bring a pic of the trough at least to the co-op. Don't take for granted they'll know the correct fittings, I doubt if most do.

Would have preferred a concrete trough rather than plastic.

Dtp1979

MfMan wrote: »

+1 on the plumbers paste. Find it seals fittings much better than tape. Bring a pic of the trough at least to the co-op. Don't take for granted they'll know the correct fittings, I doubt if most do.

Would have preferred a concrete trough rather than plastic.

Plumbers paste, called uniwhite or boss white, (uniwhite is much better) is used on the compression ring. It can also be used over the tape when screwing metal to metal, but not when screwing plastic to metal as it corrodes the plastic

limo_100

do you need plumbers tape when the elbow and the threaded part are both plastic?

Dtp1979

limo_100 wrote: »

do you need plumbers tape when the elbow and the threaded part are both plastic?

Yes

patsy_mccabe

whelan2 wrote: »

years ago a workman here told me ptfe tape stood for plumbers tape for everything, only recently found out it doest stand for that at all

...and do you know PTFE is the same stuff on your frying pan that makes it non-stick?;)

patsy_mccabe

These fitting are a real bugbear of mine. if you look at the thread on the ballcock, it is a parallel thread but the thread on those fittings that go on them are all tapered. Putting a tapered fitting over a parallel fitting is a big no no. That's why most end up using PTFE tape to stop them leaking.

hurling_lad

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

These fitting are a real bugbear of mine. if you look at the thread on the ballcock, it is a parallel thread but the thread on those fittings that go on them are all tapered. Putting a tapered fitting over a parallel fitting is a big no no. That's why most end up using PTFE tape to stop them leaking.

Never realised that. I wonder do the fellas selling these things at the Co-op etc. realise this: whenever I've been sold a trough, I've always been given a Phil Mac end connector with it even though, as you say, they don't match.

Is there an adapter available for tapered to straight/parallel connectors?

patsy_mccabe

On a 1/2" Ballcock for example, the thread is 1/2" BSP or G1/2". The straight or elbow fitting they give you is a female tapered thread R1/2".
I suppose they are fine for the low pressure, but you'll notice they do leak a lot.