STRIKE!! - Everyone's going on strike now

That_Guy

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0906/814610-dublin-bus-strike/

The planned 48-hour work stoppage at Dublin Bus looks set to go ahead this week.

In a statement, the company said that "final departures on all services will be up to and including 9pm" tomorrow night, to ensure "the safe and secure return of buses to each depot".

The strike action in the dispute over pay will take place on Thursday and Friday.

Mod- Thread title changed from STRIKE!! - Dublin Bus edition. to STRIKE!! - Everyone's going on strike now.

All strike threads will be merged in to one megathread

Winterlong

Have they mentioned yet how the Luas drivers strike negotiated pay rise has set the new standard for all future pay claims?

That_Guy

Winterlong wrote: »

Have they mentioned yet how the Luas drivers strike negotiated pay rise has set the new standard for all future pay claims?

They're probably scribbling down their justifications as we type.

Weren't they advertising jobs on Dublin Bus recently. Anyone get a screen grab of the wages offered. I think it was upwards of €450pw which seems like a pretty fair wage given the nature of the job.

I look forward to being told how stupid and wrong I am. :rolleyes:

Delighted about this. I've missed arguing about the Luas strikes.

SEPT 23 1989

Can we find out what your average driver is paid including bonuses?

me_irl

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Can we find out what your average driver is paid including bonuses?

Not sure, but is this site legit?

http://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Employer=Dublin_Bus/Salary

The_Valeyard

Deleted User wrote: »

Delighted about this. I've missed arguing about the Luas strikes.

Ah well, they need a few bob extra since buses go left and right, not just forward and backwards.

westcoast66

Useless feckers.

I work in a company in an outer suburb of Dublin and we have basically advised our staff not to take Dublin Bus as they are completely unreliable. The timetable says 8:30 but the bus can arrive anytime between 8.15 and 9.00. Basically the bus leaves the city centre and just heads out ignoring the times on the stops. Very frustrating.

Timberrrrrrrr

And yet again the city gets held to ransom by these greedy fecks

The sooner they are privatised the better

ThunbergsAreGo

That_Guy wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0906/814610-dublin-bus-strike/

Given it stops at 9 o clock Wednesday and Nitelinks arent running Friday, isnt it more than a 48 hour stoppage?

Cuddlesworth

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And yet again the city gets held to ransom by these greedy fecks

The sooner they are privatised the better

You mean like the Luas. Like it or not, a unionised workforce involved in a social service with no alternatives is in a incredibly strong negotiating position.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Can we find out what your average driver is paid including bonuses?

Way way way above the level of skill, training and expertise required to perform the task.

The Luas strike was a joke.

jester77

At least you now don't have to worry if the bus is coming or not.

SEPT 23 1989

I believe they are paid around 500 per night to drive the Nightlink over Christmas

not sure about other times of the year

Cuddlesworth

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I believe they are paid around 500 per night to drive the Nightlink over Christmas

not sure about other times of the year

Not sure I'd want to drive a bunch of obnoxious drunks across the city regardless of the money.

andekwarhola

I always support strikes on issues like zero hour contracts and genuinely exploitative conditions but it beggars belief when workers already paid a decent wage (for semi-skilled work) essentially decide to strike because XYZ did it and got a big pay rise.

lawlolawl

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And yet again the city gets held to ransom by these greedy fecks

The sooner they are privatised the better

Yeah, it should be run privately like the LUAS.

They never strike!

syklops

lawlolawl wrote: »

Yeah, it should be run privately like the LUAS. Ryanair.

They never strike!

FYP.

Dravokivich

Winterlong wrote: »

Have they mentioned yet how the Luas drivers strike negotiated pay rise has set the new standard for all future pay claims?

This strike is actually over increments agreed circa 2008 that haven't been received and contested since.

me_irl wrote: »

Not sure, but is this site legit?

http://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Employer=Dublin_Bus/Salary

That's not just drivers. the scale is brought up by management tiers. Similar to reporting the average salary of 36K in this country.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And yet again the city gets held to ransom by these greedy fecks

The sooner they are privatised the better

The "privatisation" that is presented in this country won't led to an increase in service. It'll just tender out a like for like replacement of operators. It won't matter who is running it. They all get direction from NTA.

That_Guy

Those striking seem to say they're underpaid and are looking for higher wages but nobody is willing to say how much it is they earn.

If it was a pauper's salary like it's made out to be then surely they'd be out straight away telling us all what a paltry figure it is.

kona

Fair play to them. The fact is the country is becoming a horrible kip where a entire generation will be unable to buy a house so therefore will be working full time and getting it up the coco with the cost of living.
For some people it's not far off slavery, working a full week and being unable to afford anything after all the fat pigs have got their cut.

Captain Chaos

That_Guy wrote: »

Those striking seem to say they're underpaid and are looking for higher wages but nobody is willing to say how much it is they earn.

If it was a pauper's salary like it's made out to be then surely they'd be out straight away telling us all what a paltry figure it is.

They were promised a pay rise since 2008 provided the company made a profit in the time since. The company has and they are still on the same rate of pay as 8 years ago not allowing for inflation. Basically DB are not keeping their word to their staff.

Dravokivich

That_Guy wrote: »

Those striking seem to say they're underpaid and are looking for higher wages but nobody is willing to say how much it is they earn.

If it was a pauper's salary like it's made out to be then surely they'd be out straight away telling us all what a paltry figure it is.

How much of that gets put out in public is up to who ever manages the PR for their union(s). The media don't seem to be asking, or at least giving us any answers to that one.

Another thing to consider is, it's not just the drivers. As far as I recall the office staff didn't tend to strike with drivers too often, and they are all at it together this time around. So there is an air of employee discontent with Dublin Bus being shown here too.

BoJack Horseman

kona wrote: »

For some people it's not far off slavery

So, DB drivers are slaves?

Pleas comrade, elaborate!

Dravokivich

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

So, DB drivers are slaves?

Pleas comrade, elaborate!

Well... a workforce is just slavery by a different name. Instead of working for food and board, we are working to be able to purchase some form of food and board...

biko

to ensure "the safe and secure return of buses to each depot".

means "so we can get down to the pub in time"

kona

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

So, DB drivers are slaves?

Pleas comrade, elaborate!

Did I say that? No I didn't.

If you go to work for 40hrs a week and you are left with nothing at the end then yes I would imagine that as fairly close to slavery.

Not cotton picking slavery but it's similar in the way your worked and left with nothing.

Thsee strikes are only the start there's plenty of people who a sick of this ****e. Recession is over, tax is still mental and companies won't pay increments, I'd say some people haven't seen a increment in 8 or 9 years. Yet they have seen their income reduce to almost **** all.

biko

kona wrote: »

For some people it's not far off slavery, working a full week and being unable to afford anything after all the fat pigs have got their cut.

Those people are wrong. Slavery is different from working for "the man" and not being "paid enough".
By muddling the words they are just making things worse for themselves and also for people that live in actual slavery.

Dravokivich

biko wrote: »

Those people are wrong. Slavery is different from working for "the man" and not being "paid enough".

metaphor

kona

biko wrote: »

Those people are wrong. Slavery is different from working for "the man" and not being "paid enough".

As I said it's not far off. Fact is there are people in the country that are in a awful way financially. Say a household with two kids and a income of 40-50k would have a fairly difficult time living in Dublin.

Id say there's a few drivers in that boat.

Pete Moss

Dravokivich wrote: »

Well... a workforce is just slavery by a different name. Instead of working for food and board, we are working to be able to purchase some form of food and board...

What did they do when the slaves when on strike so?

ahlookit

biko wrote: »

means "so we can get down to the pub in time"

"the safe and secure return of buses to each depot".

Do all buses not go to a depot every night

listermint

kona wrote: »

As I said it's not far off. Fact is there are people in the country that are in a awful way financially. Say a household with two kids and a income of 40-50k would have a fairly difficult time living in Dublin.

Id say there's a few drivers in that boat.

Not far off,

You have your head up your backside if you think there is an equivalence to driving a bus and having to chip away down a mine for diamonds as an 8 year old child with a mortality rate of about 20 years of age if you are lucky.


You sir are a cad..

kona

Pete Moss wrote: »

What did they do when the slaves when on strike so?

They would be put down.

So I reckon dublin bus are taking advantage of the aul political correctness.

Give a inch....

Jawgap

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Ah well, they need a few bob extra since buses go left and right, not just forward and backwards.

.....and drivers have to engage with punters, handle cash etc

Seriously, whatever the button pusher, ding-ding LU-sit-on-yo-AS all day drivers are getting, the bus drivers should get as a minimum.

Good luck to them.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

kona wrote: »

Fair play to them. The fact is the country is becoming a horrible kip where a entire generation will be unable to buy a house so therefore will be working full time and getting it up the coco with the cost of living.
For some people it's not far off slavery, working a full week and being unable to afford anything after all the fat pigs have got their cut.

I know that is all well and good about the fat pigs having their cut off of people's slavery ect.

But one of the biggest costs of living for many people is transportation. And the biggest cost of public transportation is wages.

Public transportation is too expensive in this country as it is. Raising wages will raise fares.

Ordinary working people going about their day are effected by these strikes and inevitable price hikes.

And that is why I am so against these holding the public to ransom strikes.

Dravokivich

Pete Moss wrote: »

What did they do when the slaves when on strike so?

You don't really bring much of a point across when you get hung up over a metaphor. I just stretched it out a bit with a top level comparison of the point the other guy was making with the image as econimocially things seem to work off debt to pay off and depcriation to lose. And you're just bringing it somewhere it wasn't going at all.

But if you wish to pursue this point, I'd recommend the movie "Spartacus" which refers to a similar topic. It's the closest reference I can think of, off hand.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I know that is all well and good about the fat pigs having their cut off of people's slavery ect.

But one of the biggest costs of living for many people is transportation. And the biggest cost of public transportation is wages.

Public transportation is too expensive in this country as it is. Raising wages will raise fares.

Ordinary working people going about their day are effected by these strikes and inevitable price hikes.

And that is why I am so against these holding the public to ransom strikes.

Well if fares have risen since 2008, but wages haven't since sometime before. Why are the fares going up?

Sue Pa Key Pa

Another transport strike by self entitled jobbers.

This really is the end of the road

lawlolawl

Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »

Another transport strike by self entitled jobbers.

This really is the end of the road

"Self entitled"? Who else would they be "entitled" on behalf of?

At the end of the day, it's a job. They are just looking to get paid a decent amount to perform said job.

Doom Chicken

Irish Rail will be next , the luas drivers were just the start of the chain

That_Guy

Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »

This really is the end of the road

Shhhh. You'll summon him and we don't want that.

kona

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I know that is all well and good about the fat pigs having their cut off of people's slavery ect.

But one of the biggest costs of living for many people is transportation. And the biggest cost of public transportation is wages.

Public transportation is too expensive in this country as it is. Raising wages will raise fares.

Ordinary working people going about their day are effected by these strikes and inevitable price hikes.

And that is why I am so against these holding the public to ransom strikes.

How many people ride dublin bus for free? If people don't pay then obviously there is going to be a problem

Perhaps they should be paid better if they are able to "hold people to ransom".

There are other modes of transport to work too.

Peregrine

westcoast66 wrote: »

Useless feckers.

I work in a company in an outer suburb of Dublin and we have basically advised our staff not to take Dublin Bus as they are completely unreliable. The timetable says 8:30 but the bus can arrive anytime between 8.15 and 9.00. Basically the bus leaves the city centre and just heads out ignoring the times on the stops. Very frustrating.

The times at the stops indicate when the bus leaves its first stop. Unless you're talking about RTPI which uses AVL so it syncs up with the location of the bus i.e. if the bus has went past much quicker than usual, it won't tell you that the same bus is ten minutes away because it usually is at this time.

Jawgap

That_Guy wrote: »

Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »

This really is the end of the road

Shhhh. You'll summon him and we don't want that.

It's the boards equivalent of Beetlejuice - and it brings about as much logic to the debate too

punisher5112

Here is one for all you haters.

It's not just drivers it's all grades(clerical and inspectors) looking for a raise.

Fares have increased year on year even twice in one year as fares use to go up in January but now go up on 1st December each year.
Subvention was cut and also fuel rebate and more and more travel for free.

Drivers have to deal with all sorts from the nicest to the downright lowest and most awful hateful disgustingly aggressive people one could ever meet.

I started the job and absolutely loved it and driving was something I had always loved but with the experiences I have had to deal with it can be very hard to deal with mentally and exhaustion can be also a negative side also as using your brain and eyes for such time and having to have eyes on a 360 degree axes can be tiring.


If or I mean when the nta gets it's way with privatisation it will affect many many colleagues including myself where one will never be marked in and have no stable position or any actual way to plan day to day or have a decent life.

Example to this is people are now in the job coming on 12 years getting a text to tell them their duty for the next day. Oh sounds OK but no this use to be only known by ringing at 1pm to find out.

This then also includes driving any given route and not knowing start or finishing times until text is received.

The only thing a spare driver does know is their day off.

Late duties you could still be in at 0730 am and early duties could mean finishing up to 2200 at night.

Jawgap

Privatisation and striking for better pay are separate issues.

Personally, I support both. I think the city would be better served if large chunks of the network were served by private operators.

westcoast66

Peregrine wrote: »

The times at the stops indicate when the bus leaves its first stop. Unless you're talking about RTPI which uses AVL so it syncs up with the location of the bus i.e. if the bus has went past much quicker than usual, it won't tell you that the same bus is ten minutes away because it usually is at this time.

I've no idea what your talking about but basically there is a window of 45 minutes where the bus could be at the stop. Not good enough.

Turtyturd

I'd normally support workers but not these useless f*cks or taxi drivers.

Bring on the robots.

The_Valeyard

Turtyturd wrote: »

I'd normally support workers but not these useless f*cks or taxi drivers.

Bring on the robots.

You wont be saying that when they rise up and murder you.

corner of hells

We used d'army years ago .. they drove owl wans around town in thier trucks.

We could probably get a few drivers shot in a firing squad to sort out this nonsense.

ED E

That_Guy wrote: »

Those striking seem to say they're underpaid and are looking for higher wages but nobody is willing to say how much it is they earn.

If it was a pauper's salary like it's made out to be then surely they'd be out straight away telling us all what a paltry figure it is.

This is /thread.