There's a new Saint in town

bnt

Old thread, but deserves an update, since it's now as official as it gets: Mother Teresa has been canonised as Saint Teresa of Calcutta. The BBC article mentions some of the criticisms down the page, while the Irish Times article is, as expected, more of a hagiography.

MOD - I've opened a new thread and moved across the latest posts, let's leave that zombie thread back in zombieland.

Laika123

Haven't read through all the articles, but mother teresa was a fraud, embezzled money, stayed in 5 star hotels, now the hypocrites in Rome want to make her a saint, or have actually, idiots.

Arcade_Tryer

Laika123 wrote: »

Haven't read through all the articles, but mother teresa was a fraud, embezzled money, stayed in 5 star hotels, now the hypocrites in Rome want to make her a saint, or have actually, idiots.

Quite appropriate so that she be made a patron saint of the Catholic Church!

Galwayguy35

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Quite appropriate so that she be made a patron saint of the Catholic Church!

And it just took 3 posts for the Catholic bashing to start.

RobertKK

Rita Ora is a better singer than I thought she was. She was singing at the concert for the canonisation of Mother Teresa, as she is from Albania too.

https://twitter.com/TeamAlbanians/status/772253052707467264

Arcade_Tryer

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

And it just took 3 posts for the Catholic bashing to start.

Logical progression from the subject matter of the thread.

Of course the Catholic Church know little about logic. Oops!

Apologies, Father.

Laika123

Hell's Angel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMryNIV-WsQ

Galwayguy35

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Logical progression from the subject matter of the thread.

Of course the Catholic Church know little about logic. Oops!

Apologies, Father.

Oh there's no need to apologize, you can say whatever you like and nobody will bat an eyelid.

Say the same things about any other religion and it would be a different story.

Ted111

Apparently she wasn't even a mother, at all.

ToddyDoody

"No-one does Mother Teresa like you Father"

Laika123

Was Mother Teresa not so saintly after all? Researchers spark controversy by claiming her care of the sick was 'dubious' and handling of cash 'suspicious'


www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2287427/Was-Mother-Teresa-saintly-Researchers-spark-controversy-claiming-care-sick-dubious-handling-cash-suspicious.html

Arcade_Tryer

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Oh there's no need to apologize, you can say whatever you like and nobody will bat an eyelid.

Say the same things about any other religion and it would be a different story.

Ah come on! All religions are open to criticism and ridicule! Let's not conflate criticism of the belief (Christianty/Islam) with the people (Catholics, Muslims).

Laika123

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Oh there's no need to apologize, you can say whatever you like and nobody will bat an eyelid.

Say the same things about any other religion and it would be a different story.

Listen Galwayguy, I'm just being honest, I'm not bashing a religion, just a corrupt money grabbing woman who is far from a saint, I was born a Catholic, I believe in God, I just don't believe in religion, and the roman church is one of the most corrupt and evil in my view.

Gbear

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Oh there's no need to apologize, you can say whatever you like and nobody will bat an eyelid.

Say the same things about any other religion and it would be a different story.

Islam is a load of barbaric ****e and the theocratic regimes that push it are orders of magnitude more disgusting than the modern Catholic church.

Catholicism is more relevant to us here because it was the dominant religion and their atrocities were perpetrated against us.
The problem of Islam is a problem for the world but it's not really a problem in Ireland.

So there's no hypocrisy. One is simply more relevant to us than the other.

And, as you will be able to tell by this post being here and me not getting carded, there's no issue, regarding Islam, in calling a spade a spade on this forum (touch wood).

I heard some waffle on the radio that there was some concern about 1 of Mother Teresa's "miracles" where they weren't sure whether a tumour had gone into remission because of her blessing or, y'know, the medicine she was taking for it.

****ing gob****es.

The Rape of Lucretia

Not an expert on the requirements for being a saint, but if your miracles (I have none at the moment, but who knows) are subsequently proven to be explainable by science, and so no longer be miracles, is your sainthood revoked ?

looksee

No because everyone is a saint anyway, its just the church recognising them. Or something.

kylith

"Mother" Teresa's homes for the dying were/are filthy, squalid places where needles are reused until blunt and the patients are forbidden visitors. Millions have been donated but precious little found its way toward alleviating suffering. Teresa also refused to return a donation that was shown to have come from people who were scammed out of their savings.

the dark phantom

You can be sure the Irish nuns taught the bitch well...

The Rape of Lucretia

kylith wrote: »

"Mother" Teresa's homes for the dying were/are filthy, squalid places where needles are reused until blunt and the patients are forbidden visitors. Millions have been donated but precious little found its way toward alleviating suffering. Teresa also refused to return a donation that was shown to have come from people who were scammed out of their savings.

Maybe. But she literally performed miracles.

Winterlong

This thread is a hell of an eye opener.

brianregan09

I wonder will people in 100's of 1000s of years down the line have wars over which was better Marvel or DC ??

Because to me anyway that's what the bible quaran and all these things are ....comic books of the dark ages , people pulling off miracles and such its just some religions have used people's naivety to try and control the world through robbing people, paedophilia , celebrating suffering and taking advantage of peoples goodwill through charities and stuff

Anyone who still believes in all this rubbish needs a good hard look at themselves. I understand people need something to believe in and all that but people like Mother Teresa are not people to look up to ...Not even ****ing close

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

brianregan09 wrote: »

I wonder will people in 100's of 1000s of years down the line have wars over which was better Marvel or DC ??

Because to me anyway that's what the bible quaran and all these things are ....comic books of the dark ages , people pulling off miracles and such its just some religions have used people's naivety to try and control the world through robbing people, paedophilia , celebrating suffering and taking advantage of peoples goodwill through charities and stuff

Anyone who still believes in all this rubbish needs a good hard look at themselves. I understand people need something to believe in and all that but people like Mother Teresa are not people to look up to ...Not even ****ing close

Grand job.

Now what about this new saint?


Personally I never had any time for her but her canonisation has no impact on me or my beliefs, so no harm no foul.

Laika123

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Maybe. But she literally performed miracles.

Yea turning money into air.

Barry Badrinath

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Maybe. But she literally performed miracles.

Like what?

Berserker

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Not an expert on the requirements for being a saint, but if your miracles (I have none at the moment, but who knows) are subsequently proven to be explainable by science, and so no longer be miracles, is your sainthood revoked ?

In addition to this, who validates, for want of a better word, the miracles?

The Rape of Lucretia

She cured Monica Besra's tumour overnight, when a beam of light came from a picture of Mother Teresa, and she held a picture of MT over her tumour.

And cured Macilio Haddad Andrino of multiple brain absesses after his wife prayed to MT. She interceded and cured him overnight and he came out of his coma.

These facts are documented and readily available.

kylith

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Maybe. But she literally performed miracles.

Absolutely. The curing of one cancer patient who was receiving medical treatment anyway totally makes up for the thousands of people who died untimely deaths in agony over the years :rolleyes:

lertsnim

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

She cured Monica Besra's tumour overnight, when a beam of light came from a picture of Mother Teresa, and she held a picture of MT over her tumour.

And cured Macilio Haddad Andrino of multiple brain absesses after his wife prayed to MT. She interceded and cured him overnight and he came out of his coma.

These facts are documented and readily available.

Oh FFS. Maybe the picture should be the saint.

The Rape of Lucretia

Berserker wrote: »

In addition to this, who validates, for want of a better word, the miracles?

Its a very in depth and rigorous process. In MT's case, there are 113 witnesses attesting to the miracles, and evidence amounting to 35,000 pages which were then presented to the Congregation for the Causes of Saints.
So very clear cut.

Barry Badrinath

lertsnim wrote: »

Oh FFS. Maybe the picture should be the saint.

Ha!

FTA69

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

She cured Monica Besra's tumour overnight, when a beam of light came from a picture of Mother Teresa, and she held a picture of MT over her tumour.

And cured Macilio Haddad Andrino of multiple brain absesses after his wife prayed to MT. She interceded and cured him overnight and he came out of his coma.

These facts are documented and readily available.

Lol at you attempting to pass off a curative magical beam of light coming out of a picture as an undeniable "fact".

Laika123

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

She cured Monica Besra's tumour overnight, when a beam of light came from a picture of Mother Teresa, and she held a picture of MT over her tumour.

And cured Macilio Haddad Andrino of multiple brain absesses after his wife prayed to MT. She interceded and cured him overnight and he came out of his coma.

These facts are documented and readily available.

Medicine cured 'miracle' woman - not Mother Teresa, say doctors

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/1443320/Medicine-cured-miracle-woman-not-Mother-Teresa-say-doctors.html

Matthew 6:9

Gbear

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Its a very in depth and rigorous process. In MT's case, there are 113 witnesses attesting to the miracles, and evidence amounting to 35,000 pages which were then presented to the Congregation for the Causes of Saints.
So very clear cut.

They should probably present them to the Nobel committee as well.

It's not every day you completely tear up the known laws of physics.

Ted111

Would I be wrong in saying that her interventions were neutral at
worse?
Since if she wasn't there her clients were people who were
abandoned vagrants in the gutters of Calcutta. And so either way
were suffering and going to die.
Maybe I've misconstrued the story.

Laika123

It would have been a miracle if she dipped into the millions of $$$'s and bought a little medicine for dying in Calcutta.

At least she'd have had one.

RayM

She's been a saint for barely five minutes and everyone's already judging her. Give her a chance, she could be really good.

The Rape of Lucretia

FTA69 wrote: »

Lol at you attempting to pass off a curative magical beam of light coming out of a picture as an undeniable "fact".

It has been verified beyond doubt. Without these miracles, the Vatican would not have canonised her. They are very strict on that point, and dont hand out Sainthoods willy nilly.

Laika123

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

It has been verified beyond doubt. Without these miracles, the Vatican would not have canonised her. They are very strict on that point, and dont hand out Sainthoods willy nilly.

Ohh Lord, seems they have, who actually gave the the right to decide who gets to be a saint anyway?

Zxclnic

Old thread, but deserves an update, since it's now as official as it gets: Mother Teresa has been canonised as Saint Teresa of Calcutta. The BBC article mentions some of the criticisms down the page, while the Irish Times article is, as expected, more of a hagiography.


This Irish Times article from late last year is no hagiography, it's written by good solid socialist Eamonn McCann, who now an MLA. -
''In October 1994, Mother Teresa sent a message to the UN International Conference on Population and Development in Cairo, pleading for outright rejection of contraception and abortion. Every child is a gift from God. If you have a child you think is unwanted, give that child to me. I will find it a loving home where it will be cherished as a blessing.”

In previous articles Eamonn has referred to the saintly one as the 'Albanian crone', which is fair enough in my book.
Below is a very short piece, but worth a read.

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/eamonn-mccann-mother-teresa-not-such-a-good-role-model-1.2476467

kylith

FTA69 wrote: »

Lol at you attempting to pass off a curative magical beam of light coming out of a picture as an undeniable "fact".

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

It has been verified beyond doubt. Without these miracles, the Vatican would not have canonised her. They are very strict on that point, and dont hand out Sainthoods willy nilly.

Yeah FTA69, would you ever give over. The RCC never proclaims anything without being 100% sure that it's verifiable fact. They'd never, ever make up some balderdash about miracles and people rising from the dead and talking snakes, it all totally happened, 100%. [/Fr. Dougal]

bnt

RayM wrote: »

She's been a saint for barely five minutes and everyone's already judging her. Give her a chance, she could be really good.

Sure! Remind us, what do saints do, given that they are already dead?

N365

Has anyone got any proof of dodgy financial dealings she made? I'm kind struggling with the idea that she siphoned off cash. What would she have spent it on?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

I'm amazed how something people don't believe in, and are free to ignore, gives rise to such vitriol. Personally, I'd have no faith in her but her being declared a Saint has no impact on my life or my family so if somebody gets some comfort from the notion of praying to her then let them.

dr.bollocko

N365 wrote: »

Has anyone got any proof of dodgy financial dealings she made? I'm kind struggling with the idea that she siphoned off cash. What would she have spent it on?

There were a number of books where her aides were interviewed and alleged numerous misdeeds. Hitchens did one on her as well. But literally attributing miracles to her in the modern world is a bit fecking odd.

jacksie66

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Sir Osis of Liver.

N365 wrote: »

Has anyone got any proof of dodgy financial dealings she made? I'm kind struggling with the idea that she siphoned off cash. What would she have spent it on?

Moisturiser?

jacksie66

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RayM

bnt wrote: »

Sure! Remind us, what do saints do, given that they are already dead?

I don't know, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have given her the job if they didn't think she'd be good at it.

bnt

bnt wrote: »

Sure! Remind us, what do saints do, given that they are already dead?

Oh dear

jacksie66

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mass_debater

N365 wrote: »

Has anyone got any proof of dodgy financial dealings she made? I'm kind struggling with the idea that she siphoned off cash. What would she have spent it on?

A conman called Keating donated $1.25m in stolen life savings to her charity, when asked to return it she said it was God's money. Google it, all the info is there