Pearl Bulbs.

kneemos

10 60w Pearl bulbs €7.27 delivered. 60w Bc Gls Pearl Bulb, Pack Of 10 https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0039NM5YY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_gNEYxbKCYYG1Z

Kristopherus

kneemos wrote: »

10 60w Pearl bulbs €7.27 delivered. 60w Bc Gls Pearl Bulb, Pack Of 10 https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0039NM5YY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_gNEYxbKCYYG1Z

€12.00 delivery to Ireland. No thanks:(

crabbypaddy

Tought these were banned for sale in the EU 4 years ago unless they were pretending to be 'rough service lamps'. Definitely worth getting 46w halogen gls replacements instead last at least twice as long and much better colour rendering.

kneemos

Kristopherus wrote: »

€12.00 delivery to Ireland. No thanks:(

That's weird,they were free delivery.
Probably cheaper here then.

Kristopherus

kneemos wrote: »

That's weird,they were free delivery.
Probably cheaper here then.

Its free delivery in UK only.

Deagol

kneemos wrote: »

10 60w Pearl bulbs €7.27 delivered. 60w Bc Gls Pearl Bulb, Pack Of 10 https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0039NM5YY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_gNEYxbKCYYG1Z

Why would anyone still be using these when you can get LED bulbs that use 1/8th the electricity?

kneemos

Deagol wrote: »

Why would anyone still be using these when you can get LED bulbs that use 1/8th the electricity?

They come on straight away and give better light.Plus it might be 1/8 but it's almost nothing either way.

Deagol

kneemos wrote: »

They come on straight away and give better light.Plus it might be 1/8 but it's almost nothing either way.

LED bulbs come on straight away and give the same light...... I think you are confusing them with CFL's.

And consider this:

10x 60watt bulbs left on average of 4 hours a day will cost around €140 a year to run. For LED would be around €17.5. I'll take the €100+ a year anytime.

Plus, I've found the LED bulbs to be almost totally reliable, have replaced one in the 5 years+ I've had my house running on them. And that was one of the oldest one's I had, probably nigh on 8 years old when it blew.

stimpson

Even modern CFLs come on straight away. I replaced the last incandescent in my house last week with a new 12w CFL. It comes on instantly and is brighter than the 100w it replaced.

Deagol

stimpson wrote: »

Even modern CFLs come on straight away. I replaced the last incandescent in my house last week with a new 12w CFL. It comes on instantly and is brighter than the 100w it replaced.

Haven't looked at CFL's in quite a while as I consider them obsolete technology in the main. The mercury issue aside, I found they are not very reliable and their price advantage has pretty much disappeared with LED's dropping so much.
Surprised to hear they are instant on though, even full size fluorescent tubes aren't instant on, usually take 60 seconds or more to get to full brightness. I thought it was an inherent 'feature' of the design that they took at least a minute to get up to full luminosity?

Capt'n Midnight

kneemos wrote: »

10 60w Pearl bulbs €7.27 delivered.

That's half the price of a Dealz 5W LED bulb with similar lumens and instant on.

So you are saving 77c per bulb but only if you completely ignore having to replace them more often.



But they cost 1c per hour* more to run.


Leave one on over a weekend and you have lost any possible savings, so they aren't even suitable for security lights.

* the 55w difference means 1 extra unit of leccy every 18 hours and 1 unit costs roughly 18c

Capt'n Midnight

Deagol wrote: »

Haven't looked at CFL's in quite a while as I consider them obsolete technology in the main. The mercury issue aside, I found they are not very reliable and their price advantage has pretty much disappeared with LED's dropping so much.

At this stage the only use of CFL is when you can get Brand Name large sizes like 20W for half nothing in clear out sales, because LED of that light output still command a premium.

For smaller sizes there's no question of getting anything but LED. And there's no point in going for no-name CFL's. And even then CFL is only a stopgap because I'd expect LED prices for 10W and higher still have a good way to drop.

kneemos

Wish they'd come up with some sort of standard light output. Wattages are different for CFL's and now we have Lumens into the mix.

Poochie05

kneemos wrote: »

Wish they'd come up with some sort of standard light output. Wattages are different for CFL's and now we have Lumens into the mix.

Lumens are what you need to look at for light output.

https://www.earthled.com/pages/lumens-watts-and-buying-lightbulbs-in-the-21st-century

stimpson

Color temperature is also important. 2500k to 3000k is a warm colour like an incandescent bulb. Anything over that is a cool blue and aren't great for a household.

gooner99

Where is the best place to get these led bulbs to replace 100w and 60w pearl bulbs, same fitting as shown in the original posters link?

ando

gooner99 wrote: »

Where is the best place to get these led bulbs to replace 100w and 60w pearl bulbs, same fitting as shown in the original posters link?

In my experience Ikea are streets ahead then anything you'd get elsewhere. Anyone any suggestions for elsewhere?

gooner99

Seem to be all screw ins on the ikea page.

ando

Yes it looks like thats the way the industry is going. Bayonet is on the way out, but you can get these converters

http://www.ikea.com/ie/en/products/lighting/light-bulbs-accessories/koppla-b22-to-e27-bulb-converter-art-90295615/

gooner99

Nice one. Which ikea led bulbs would be a replacement for a 100w and 60w bayonet. My mother likes the bayonet for instant light due to eye problems. She isn't a fan of tge cfl bulbs.

ando

These are instant on bulbs, so no waiting around waiting for them to warm up.

I find the LEDARE 400 lumen bulb in Ikea (6w) is just as good as a 60watt traditional bulb. I have two of them in the house, in the landing and hall, leave them on all night. They replaced 60w bulbs and find them every bit of good.

http://www.ikea.com/ie/en/products/lighting/light-bulbs-accessories/ledare-led-bulb-e27-400-lumen-dimmable-globe-opal-white-art-70266765/


For replacing a traditional 100w bulb, I'm looking at the Ledare 1000 lumen (13w). I'm going to replace the two 60w bulbs out the back garden. I'm hoping they're as good as traditional 100w.

Ledare seems to be the latest type of LED's in Ikea. You do see cheaper identical looking bulbs, I think they're called RYET, but I doubt they're as good as the latest bulbs.

I've also in the past replaced two GU10 50w bulbs in the bathroom with the Ikea version. Seriously impressed with these. 6watts each

http://www.ikea.com/ie/en/products/lighting/light-bulbs-accessories/ledare-led-bulb-gu10-400-lumen-dimmable-art-30304651

dozy doctor

Just got a 10 pack of halogen bulbs in Aldi for €6.00 ... Great deal

gooner99

Would the Ledare 1000 lumen (13w) be suitable for outdoor use in a bulkhead ouside light?

_Whimsical_

Anyone recommend a warm light led to replace a 100w old style bulb that can be got outside Ikea?

I can't travel that far just now.
I don't really mind if it's more expensive.

fabsoul

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Anyone recommend a warm light led to replace a 100w old style bulb that can be got outside Ikea?

I can't travel that far just now.
I don't really mind if it's more expensive.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AURAGLOW-Super-Bright-Bayonet-Lumens/dp/B016AGOCP6/ref=pd_sim_60_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=4KFHGFQD3NRVEYFXM4G2


https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0187QGRIW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

_Whimsical_

fabsoul wrote: »

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AURAGLOW-Super-Bright-Bayonet-Lumens/dp/B016AGOCP6/ref=pd_sim_60_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=4KFHGFQD3NRVEYFXM4G2


https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0187QGRIW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Thanks so much!
I've ordered those to try, really appreciate it!

4068ac1elhodqr

You can now get the 4w type LED (any fitting) in most of the 1 dolla/euro/pound stores. In either cool or warm white variety.

The need to buy old 60/100w bulbs is a mystery.
The only time the should be used, would be to avoid reaching freezing point indoors or greenhouses on a bad winter's day due to heat emissions.

CFL's are best avoided altogether, as they contain mercury, and if one breaks the room should be vacated immediately.

Deagol

Strangely I buy my LED's from a computer type shop, don't ask

https://www.memoryc.ie/home-hobby/led-lighting.html?Usage=LED+Bulb

Found the brand to be reliable so far. Not sure if the prices are competitive anymore though.

ted1

kneemos wrote: »

They come on straight away and give better light.Plus it might be 1/8 but it's almost nothing either way.

Wow , your post is just so bad I thought it was written in 1970.

LED don't ramp up like CFL lamps. LEDs match Filament bulbs for brightness and exceed them in many cases.
LED use so little power and last so many times longer that the payback period is only a couple of months.

ted1

kneemos wrote: »

Wish they'd come up with some sort of standard light output. Wattages are different for CFL's and now we have Lumens into the mix.

Wattage is not a measure of light. Lumens or lux are the relevant units depending on what purpose the lamp is for

ted1

dozy doctor wrote: »

Just got a 10 pack of halogen bulbs in Aldi for €6.00 ... Great deal

No it's not. It'll cost you in 6 months

Quackster

Arely Easy Jelly wrote: »

The need to buy old 60/100w bulbs is a mystery.
The only time the should be used, would be to avoid reaching freezing point indoors or greenhouses on a bad winter's day due to heat emissions.

Halogens are still the job for dimming but other than that, LEDs all the way.

ted1

Quackster wrote: »

Halogens are still the job for dimming but other than that, LEDs all the way.

LED are dimmable * some are

Quackster

ted1 wrote: »

LED are dimmable * some are

Yeah, I have a few, but they don't replicate the very specific quality of light from a dimmed filament. But that's only relevant if you're after the atmospheric effect of dimmed filament light.

crabbypaddy

ted1 wrote: »

No it's not. It'll cost you in 6 months

You'd pay at least €12 for an LED bulb with good colour rendering, you'd have to run it for at least 2000 hours before it would pay for itself over a 60c halogen. If its an enclosed fixture it may not even last 2000 hours.

Arely Easy Jelly wrote:

You can now get the 4w type LED (any fitting) in most of the 1 dolla/euro/pound stores. In either cool or warm white variety.

If you like short lived, underrated, overdriven electronics and appaling colour rendering that might be a good option.

ted1

crabbypaddy wrote: »

You'd pay at least €12 for an LED bulb with good colour rendering, you'd have to run it for at least 2000 hours before it would pay for itself over a 60c halogen. If its an enclosed fixture it may not even last 2000 hours.



If you like short lived, underrated, overdriven electronics and appaling colour rendering that might be a good option.

No , you'll get. Philips master Gu10 for 8 euro.

crabbypaddy

ted1 wrote: »

No , you'll get. Philips master Gu10 for 8 euro.

The 60c halogens dozy doctor was referring to in Aldi are candle, round and gls bulbs and all the cheap master leds I've seen are CRI 80/82 whiich doesn't for me constitute good colour rendering.

ted1

crabbypaddy wrote: »

The 60c halogens dozy doctor was referring to in Aldi are candle, round and gls bulbs and all the cheap master leds I've seen are CRI 80/82 whiich doesn't for me constitute good colour rendering.

I find the colour rendering to be good. 80+ out of a scale of 0 to 100
And I'd hazard a guess that anyone who isn't happy with the colour rendering are also audiophile s who prefer vinyl over CD etc

Capt'n Midnight

ted1 wrote: »

And I'd hazard a guess that anyone who isn't happy with the colour rendering are also audiophile s who prefer vinyl over CD etc

Unless you are using RGB's colour rendering is based on the phosphor.

Blue is more like daylight and for working.
Warm white is softer and for leisure.

All depends on the room and time.

And as always you can use a lampshade to add / change the colour.

Quackster wrote: »

Halogens are still the job for dimming but other than that, LEDs all the way.

I hate halogens in otherwise dark pubs with a passion. Way too bright , and too much blue , peal the eyes out of you.

Saying dimmable incandescent is better because you can drop down to a warm red glow ? Daft efficiency at those temperatures, real heatball territory. If changing colour is that important you can get RGB's and dial a colour, still expensive but will become more common in future.

Maybe have a system where you have top-up lights. Main lights for lumens and softer reds to balance out

Quackster

gooner99 wrote: »

Where is the best place to get these led bulbs to replace 100w and 60w pearl bulbs, same fitting as shown in the original posters link?

Woodies has 3-packs of Osram 8.5W (60W equivalent) and 6W (40W equivalent) in both BC and ES fittings for €14.99. Decent price.

Also 3-packs of BC and SES candle bulbs and GU10s for the same price.

They're the non-dimmable version but that shouldn't normally be an issue.

Poochie05

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Thanks so much!
I've ordered those to try, really appreciate it!

Maybe the links have changed since they were posted, but the description of those says cool white light 6500k, you need between 2500-3000k for a warm white light we are used to from the traditional filament bulbs. So more like these:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AURAGLOW-Super-Bright-Bayonet-Light/dp/B016AI9UG0/ref=sr_1_46?s=lighting&ie=UTF8&qid=1473531540&sr=1-46&keywords=warm+light+led

Maybe they can swap them for you?

Quackster

Poochie05 wrote: »

Maybe the links have changed since they were posted, but the description of those says cool white light 6500k, you need between 2500-3000k for a warm white light we are used to from the traditional filament bulbs. So more like these:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AURAGLOW-Super-Bright-Bayonet-Light/dp/B016AI9UG0/ref=sr_1_46?s=lighting&ie=UTF8&qid=1473531540&sr=1-46&keywords=warm+light+led

Maybe they can swap them for you?

Worth checking Homebase or B&Q if you're near one as they sell own-brand 12W and 15W LEDs (75W and 100W equivalent) and they should be comfortably under a tenner judging by the sterling prices on their websites.

No idea as to quality but if you're nearby it's worth the punt as they're easy to return if unhappy.

_Whimsical_

Poochie05 wrote: »

Maybe the links have changed since they were posted, but the description of those says cool white light 6500k, you need between 2500-3000k for a warm white light we are used to from the traditional filament bulbs. So more like these:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AURAGLOW-Super-Bright-Bayonet-Light/dp/B016AI9UG0/ref=sr_1_46?s=lighting&ie=UTF8&qid=1473531540&sr=1-46&keywords=warm+light+led

Maybe they can swap them for you?

Thanks a million!! I just checked and they had not despatched my order so I cancelled it and ordered these instead!
Thanks so much, you're a star

Balmed Out

http://www.ie.screwfix.com/lap-gls-led-lamps-warm-white-bc-9w-pack-of-5.html

May be better value.
5 pack
Colour Temperature Value : 2700 K
9kw LED

Poochie05

Balmed Out wrote: »

http://www.ie.screwfix.com/lap-gls-led-lamps-warm-white-bc-9w-pack-of-5.html

May be better value.
5 pack
Colour Temperature Value : 2700 K
9kw LED

Only 806 lumens though, that's equivalent to the light coming from a 60w bulb. For the equivalent light output, 100 watt bulb was around 1600 lumens so you won't have the same light with those bulbs. Lumens and colour temperature are what you need to look for.

tommyhill88

i dont even know what a pearl bulb is

ted1

Poochie05 wrote: »

Only 806 lumens though. For the equivalent light output, 100 watt bulb was around 1600 lumens so you won't have the same light with those bulbs. Lumens and colour temperature are what you need to look for.

It really depends on where they are being used, 1600 is pretty damn bright. Many people just stick in a lamp without even thinking about the lumens.
I

ted1

tommyhill88 wrote: »

i dont even know what a pearl bulb is

It's like a tracker mortgage .

Poochie05

ted1 wrote: »

It really depends on where they are being used, 1600 is pretty damn bright. Many people just stick in a lamp without even thinking about the lumens.
I

Yes but if you're used to the light from a 100 w bulb, you'd be giving out that those new LEDs are crap because they don't give out as much light. The point is with LEDs people need to be looking at lumens and colour temp to get an equivalent of what they have been used. And make sure they are comparing like with like when looking at price.

crabbypaddy

If you're going to invest in good LEDs its worth measuring the space to be lit rather than simple replacing like for like as Irish homes tend to have far too little light, the CIBSE guidelines for communal residential e.g. student apartments are a good guideline.

100 lux (lumens per square meter) for hallways, stairs, toilets, bedrooms
150 lux bathrooms, lounge
200 lux kitchen with good colour rendering (personally think this is too low)
500 lux task lighting e.g. reading, writing, food prep

if you are doing detailed work or hobbies at home then you should have much brighter task lighting
1000 lux detailed task lighting e.g. electronics assembly, sewing
1500+lux precision task lighting e.g. intricate parts, low contrast, minute assembly - clockmaking, miniature surface mount electronics, instrument making

gooner99

What would be the best options for outdoor lights at present. looking at replacing a broken 400w halogen pir light. same again or?