The Lost Sheep National Champs

rodneyr1981

National middle distance champs on this weekend.

Many from here racing?

What are peoples thoughts on top 5?

pgibbo

Hard to see beyond BMC in the mens race. Is there a start list for both races?

Any chance of Bryan Keane racing?

Fazz

Was in but not racing early off season for early on season for me.

1 - McCrystal
2 - Mariusz
3 - Maltha/Geraghty/Martin/Kenny
4 - Maltha/Geraghty/Martin/Kenny
5 - Callaghan also close

Serious fight for podium slots I'd say as very competitive between 4 I reckon.

Fastest swim = Callaghan
Fastest Bike = McCrystal (shocker)
Fastest Run = Mariusz

Women's- good to see Katie Cooke back at it after new family addition so I'm sure she will be strong at her home race.

1 - Flynn
2 - Cooke
3 - Foley
4 - Donegan
5 - Maxantova

EC1000

Heading down for my first visit. Got an email yesterday about high winds and no discs. Hope the storm keeps away at least.

mossym

had an entry but sold it to a clubmate, was going to be an easy end of season run out for fun but decided i'd enjoy the couch better after Copenhagen, first time in 3 years not doing it, pretty sorry to be missing it now, neck and neck with kilkee for best race in the country IMHO.

TBH i don't think there is much to be gained with a disc, looked too windy for a disc last year but a couple still ran them, i struggle to see where you would make up the time with them.

hopefully they have the descent from caha resurfaced now, were in the middle of it last year and it was a scary section of road.

rodneyr1981

"was going to be an easy end of season run out"

mossym

rodneyr1981 wrote: »

"was going to be an easy end of season run out"

3+ hour bike, 2+ hour jog around. i wasn't going to do anything that would even have come close to being called racing it

BTH

Heading down to cycle the course and go for a few pints. Looking forward to it, even if I am sharing a room with Zico. :eek::p

boysinblack

Fazz wrote: »

Was in but not racing early off season for early on season for me.

1 - McCrystal
2 - Mariusz
3 - Maltha/Geraghty/Martin/Kenny
4 - Maltha/Geraghty/Martin/Kenny
5 - Callaghan also close

Serious fight for podium slots I'd say as very competitive between 4 I reckon.

Fastest swim = Callaghan
Fastest Bike = McCrystal (shocker)
Fastest Run = Mariusz

Women's- good to see Katie Cooke back at it after new family addition so I'm sure she will be strong at her home race.

1 - Flynn
2 - Cooke
3 - Foley
4 - Donegan
5 - Maxantova

Think Mariusz will get a lot closer to Mcrystal this year.

Has some very good training under his belt!

zico10

BTH wrote: »

Heading down to cycle the course and go for a few pints. Looking forward to it, even if I am sharing a room with Zico. :eek::p

It's just a house, you're not that lucky.

RJM85

Fazz wrote: »

Was in but not racing early off season for early on season for me.

1 - McCrystal
2 - Mariusz
3 - Maltha/Geraghty/Martin/Kenny
4 - Maltha/Geraghty/Martin/Kenny
5 - Callaghan also close

Serious fight for podium slots I'd say as very competitive between 4 I reckon.

Fastest swim = Callaghan
Fastest Bike = McCrystal (shocker)
Fastest Run = Mariusz

Women's- good to see Katie Cooke back at it after new family addition so I'm sure she will be strong at her home race.

1 - Flynn
2 - Cooke
3 - Foley
4 - Donegan
5 - Maxantova

I think the men's podium could end up being a repeat of last year. Owen seems to be in great bike and run shape - mariusz would need to do an outstanding run to beat him into 2ND I imagine.

mossym

Possible spanner in the works. Richie Nicholls is racing

noc231073

Was planning on doing this but a fall of the bike last week settled that ...

Weather might put a spanner in the works for a few .. It looks terrible even got a warning email from the organisers to avoid using deep rim wheels .

iwillhtfu

Just watching TI coverage on facebook.

BMC looks to have had an issue on the bike. Hopefully nothing serious he was leading at 35km mark

Off the bike 1st man Aidan Callaghan with 2:30 gap to Charles Malta, 3rd Stephen Donnelly, 4th Marius Olenjizck, 5th Trevor Woods, 6th Kevin Keane, 7th Richie Nichols.

noc231073

iwillhtfu wrote: »

Just watching TI coverage on facebook.

BMC looks to have had an issue on the bike. Hopefully nothing serious he was leading at 35km mark

Off the bike 1st man Aidan Callaghan with 2:30 gap to Charles Malta, 3rd Stephen Donnelly, 4th Marius Olenjizck, 5th Trevor Woods, 6th Kevin Keane, 7th Richie Nichols.

Did BMC just have a mechanical or an off??

iwillhtfu

noc231073 wrote: »

Did BMC just have a mechanical or an off??

Crashed off the bike and broke rear hanger couldn't continue. #

Scrapes and bruises but nothing serious. He was lucky with Kona only around the corner. I think I'd have taken a pass on those conditions. :eek:

An interview with him on FB

https://www.facebook.com/triathlonireland/?fref=ts

He seems to be looking at the positives. 5th out of the water

mossym

looking at the conditions my sadness at missing it is diminished, last two years i did it the weather was perfect

noc231073

Had an entry too maybe blessing in disguise I couldn't make it . Conditions just didn't look good for fast decents..!!

zico10

Fazz wrote: »

1 - McCrystal
2 - Mariusz
3 - Maltha/Geraghty/Martin/Kenny
4 - Maltha/Geraghty/Martin/Kenny
5 - Callaghan also close

I'm flattered you'd think I had a chance of placing so highly, but I got a sinking feeling in my stomach when I saw this edit. Even on a dry day, I'd have my work cut out to get into the top 5 in Kenmare. Today was a horrible day to be racing and I never had a hope. I was with Geraghty at the top of the Healy Pass, but he put 5 minutes into me from there. I finished 11th in the end and while it would have been nice to get into the top 10, once I saw the conditions, my only goal was not to fall off the bike. Conditions were the same for everybody I know and I was well bet my much more technically gifted cyclists. I've no quibbles at all about my finishing position. It was all I was good enough for on the day. Like a lot of people, I was very, very cautious on the descents and even without hearing about McCrystal, I was delighted to finish the cycle in one piece. There's bigger fish for me to fry in three weeks and hopefully the conditions will be much better when I'm next racing in Kenmare.

mossym

lad i sold my entry to didn't even race.....

68 lost souls

iwillhtfu wrote: »

Crashed off the bike and broke rear hanger couldn't continue. #

Scrapes and bruises but nothing serious. He was lucky with Kona only around the corner. I think I'd have taken a pass on those conditions. :eek:

An interview with him on FB

https://www.facebook.com/triathlonireland/?fref=ts

He seems to be looking at the positives. 5th out of the water

Looks like a cracked frame too. He just posted a video on Facebook. The fuel box cracked the top tube.

iwillhtfu

68 lost souls wrote: »

Looks like a cracked frame too. He just posted a video on Facebook. The fuel box cracked the top tube.

He has plenty of sponsors surely one of them could fix him up with a frame. I was only thinking last night has his relationship with wheelworx ended now he's onboard with swim bike run in Derry?

Unfortunate either way that frame must be worth 3-4k

splanagan22

Anyone know what happened in the women's race. Heather Foley was interviewed on the line as the winner but now is down as a DQ

rodneyr1981

splanagan22 wrote: »

Anyone know what happened in the women's race. Heather Foley was interviewed on the line as the winner but now is down as a DQ

I heard from a TI official today it was due to outside help pacing on the run and help with nutrition etc.

He was on duty so can only assume its true.

68 lost souls

splanagan22 wrote: »

Anyone know what happened in the women's race. Heather Foley was interviewed on the line as the winner but now is down as a DQ

Her OH was cycling alongside her on the run apparently. It was deemed as outside interference. Doesn't look like she needed it by the looks of things which is a shame.

RacoonQueen

iwillhtfu wrote: »

He has plenty of sponsors surely one of them could fix him up with a frame. I was only thinking last night has his relationship with wheelworx ended now he's onboard with swim bike run in Derry?

Unfortunate either way that frame must be worth 3-4k

He's still mentioning ASEA on this facebook page 2 days ago - is the team up with SBR for the coaching he's doing maybe

iwillhtfu

RacoonQueen wrote: »

He's still mentioning ASEA on this facebook page 2 days ago - is the team up with SBR for the coaching he's doing maybe

I was thinking that might be it alright but a tad close to his other sponsors I'd have thought.

viperlogic

First time doing the race and can see why it won race of the year last year. Goody bag was amazing, put most other races to shame of what you get versus entry fee. Was having a great swim only to realise it was the current, was some work getting back in! Never cycled or drove the bike course before so wasnt too sure what to expect. Everyone warned me not to attack it too hard or you will pay for it. All was ok until coming off healy, that wind and rain caused a good few oh jesus moments. Belting down Caha was some rush but again with a few oh jesus moments. Was happy with a 2:40 bike as didnt push it too hard. Would love to do the course on a dry day with no wind. Then the run, that was cruel and energy sapping, it brought me to a walk at one stage, never walked in a race before. Body is fine today which I guess is a sign I didnt push too hard. I was buckled after IM dublin 3 weeks ago but I did push hard there. Only negative for me in the whole race was they ran out of coke in the final aid stations, was soo looking forward to that but hey thats something small, they got 99.99% of the rest right.

EC1000

viperlogic wrote: »

Was having a great swim only to realise it was the current, was some work getting back in!

Was in the same boat. Thought I was flying until I realised what was going on!

viperlogic

EC1000 wrote: »

Was in the same boat. Thought I was flying until I realised what was going on!

talking to the marshalls afterwards they said you cant really see the movement of water from the pier but from the road on the other side you can really see how fast it is actually moving

Izoard

68 lost souls wrote: »

Her OH was cycling alongside her on the run apparently. It was deemed as outside interference. Doesn't look like she needed it by the looks of things which is a shame.

TI review has re-instated her, with a 4 min time penalty instead...

https://www.triathlonireland.com/News/2016/Triathlon-Ireland-Reasoned-Decision-on-Heather-Foley%E2%80%99s-Appeal-to-Lost-Sheep-Disqualification.html

mossym

ridiculous situation to be fair. shame a NC race has this happen, but a long as the final position reflects the rules then at least right has been done

cart man

Ridiculous alright. It is downright cheating and she knows it.
Not the first year that something like this has happened, should have been stamped out. Appropriate penalties should have been known by TI official. This was a National Championship race!
Heather proved she is a talented athlete and her star won't shine as brightly now for that act.
I feel sorry for the other podium girls (Flynn and Wolfe) who raced honestly and are great athletes. Less so for CNM after the same thing happened in Caroline Kearney last month.

Cat 1's - you should know better, you are meant to be the elite of our sport - set a better example.

TI haven't covered themselves in glory in how they handles this either.

mossym

I'm guessing this is having a subtle dig.

https://twitter.com/Ailsflynn/status/773772183449534464

cart man

I have read through the ITU rules further and in fairness to the TI official it is not clear.

I also wonder however did TI when seeking clarity on the ruling about outside assistance mention that it was a Middle Distance Race? This was an important point as in addition to rule 6.1.a.vii the ITU rules single out in Middle Distance further in Rule 15:

15. MIDDLE AND LONG DISTANCE EVENTS:
15.1. Outside Assistance:
a.) Medical assistance and food and liquid are permitted at LOC aid stations or at coaches’
stations. All other outside assistance is prohibited.

Lastly they could have left the result stand under 5. Disqualification:
a.) General:
(i) A disqualification is a penalty appropriate for severe rule violations, such as but not limited to, repeated bike draft infringements, and/or dangerous or unsportsmanlike conduct;

bryangiggsy

cart man wrote: »

I have read through the ITU rules further and in fairness to the TI official it is not clear.

I also wonder however did TI when seeking clarity on the ruling about outside assistance mention that it was a Middle Distance Race? This was an important point as in addition to rule 6.1.a.vii the ITU rules single out in Middle Distance further in Rule 15:

15. MIDDLE AND LONG DISTANCE EVENTS:
15.1. Outside Assistance:
a.) Medical assistance and food and liquid are permitted at LOC aid stations or at coaches’
stations. All other outside assistance is prohibited.

Lastly they could have left the result stand under 5. Disqualification:
a.) General:
(i) A disqualification is a penalty appropriate for severe rule violations, such as but not limited to, repeated bike draft infringements, and/or dangerous or unsportsmanlike conduct;

Get off your high horse You prob don't own a hr monitor or power meter . 4 mins penalty is plenty. The girl is an ox and but for her weaker swim she would dominate short course cat 1 racing. Glad she moved up distance and now getting just rewards. Pity it was handled so badly by TI down there. A shallow victory in end ...no standing on podium or buzzing after her win. ... The refs fooked this up end of.

pgibbo

cart man wrote: »

Ridiculous alright. It is downright cheating and she knows it.
Not the first year that something like this has happened, should have been stamped out. Appropriate penalties should have been known by TI official. This was a National Championship race!
Heather proved she is a talented athlete and her star won't shine as brightly now for that act.
I feel sorry for the other podium girls (Flynn and Wolfe) who raced honestly and are great athletes. Less so for CNM after the same thing happened in Caroline Kearney last month.

Cat 1's - you should know better, you are meant to be the elite of our sport - set a better example.

TI haven't covered themselves in glory in how they handles this either.

What happened at CK last month?

lizardwings

Her husband cycled with her for 10k of a 20k route. Any athlete knows that you run faster with moral support. not to mention the fact that he was carrying her gels and giving her splits of the other runners. I talked to three people who also saw him driving the cycle route and collecting splits of other cyclists. The Official gave her a DQ which is what it says to do in ITU rulebook. The jury upheld this decision and still TI reduced it to a 4 minute penalty so she still wins. WOW This is outragious. CHEATING is CHEATING next they will be pacing the swim on jetskis. Over a mid distance race 4 minutes is nothing......SHAME on you and Shame on TI for backing down.

68 lost souls

pgibbo wrote: »

What happened at CK last month?

I believe here was a similar incident with Caoimhe ní muirichiú (?sp)

There was also a guy with no race number or belt pacing and giving a draft piggyback to someone in front of me for a few km on the bike. The other guy had removed his race belt so he couldn't be identified. I lost it at them

rosie_c

I was asked by a TI official why my 'coach' was calling out my heart rate to me when I passed him on the run route, where he was standing supporting me and other athletes.

I wasn't wearing a heart rate monitor. Never wear one, or a watch.

Another competitor reported that I was being coached. That's the sad part.

I raced Lost Sheep, never saw the alleged accompaniment and there is a long out and back section.

People shouldn't be making stuff up on forums -especially when you don't have facts. Lots of lies were told down at Lost Sheep. Don't believe everything you hear.

mossym

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tjmahoney

Rosie_C by 'long' do you mean ~8K which is only about a third of the course and which has no real long stretches that one can see ahead. So what makes your account definitive? There where pictures, a Garda witness statement, the lead out bike that was with her for the whole course not just the out and back and they acknowledged he was on the course.

Those ARE facts.

rosie_c wrote: »

I was asked by a TI official why my 'coach' was calling out my heart rate to me when I passed him on the run route, where he was standing supporting me and other athletes.

I wasn't wearing a heart rate monitor. Never wear one, or a watch.

Another competitor reported that I was being coached. That's the sad part.

I raced Lost Sheep, never saw the alleged accompaniment and there is a long out and back section.

People shouldn't be making stuff up on forums -especially when you don't have facts. Lots of lies were told down at Lost Sheep. Don't believe everything you hear.

P2C

Why wasn't the athlete and the other half warned of their conduct on the bike or for the infringement of accompaniment? I know a warning is the first stage of the penalty process, followed by a time penalty and finally for repeated infringements if they ignore a referee or officials instructions a DQ. Therefore I suspect they never received same.

I think HF is the only female athlete that has participated in all the national titles this year. I think she won the Middle, Duathlon and was either was 2nd or 3rd in the Sprint and Olympic races. I think she pretty much has won most of the super series races as well. That's a pretty consistent record. She has also represented Ireland in her younger years.

It seems like their is no question or denying that there was rules broken and the penalty was given but I cant understand why it wasn't dealt with on the course by a warning or a stop and go penalty. It sounds like a lot of pressure on the TI officials shoulders after the race

Its a very hard call for a referee to make on the day and I suppose its down to the way you interpret and read the competition rules.

I know one thing for certain if I was a betting man and the race was run again based on this season form I would be putting my money on HF. She won by six minutes, received a 4 minute penalty and still won. In my opinion she ran quite poorly and I suspect she could have won by a bigger margin if she really wanted