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Will I ever get a mortgage?

  • 31-08-2016 1:13pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭


    Hi all,

    I am getting a bit worried...

    My circumstances are as such:

    - Work and live in Dublin
    - Leaving permanent position and taking up a 1 year FTC hoping to move into permanent position in that place. I will be on circa €35k
    - I was gifted 23k from parents and saved 2k over last few months
    - Was paying rent of 650 and now paying 480 (I'm lucky! but to save for house I downsized)

    I was on €40 so am taking a drop in wages. I will also be doing additional work for another company and can supplment my new income by around 5-6k a month but it depends if the work is there or not (freelance).

    I want to buy in Dublin (anywhere really, thats' not super rough). Am I a complete lost cause on my current salary and savings etc?

    Thanks all
    Ross


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,878 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Hi all,

    I am getting a bit worried...

    My circumstances are as such:

    - Work and live in Dublin
    - Leaving permanent position and taking up a 1 year FTC hoping to move into permanent position in that place. I will be on circa €35k
    - I was gifted 23k from parents and saved 2k over last few months
    - Was paying rent of 650 and now paying 480 (I'm lucky! but to save for house I downsized)

    I was on €40 so am taking a drop in wages. I will also be doing additional work for another company and can supplment my new income by around 5-6k a month but it depends if the work is there or not (freelance).

    I want to buy in Dublin (anywhere really, thats' not super rough). Am I a complete lost cause on my current salary and savings etc?

    Thanks all
    Ross
    My advice...don't get to stressed out...it will (in my experience) take time to buy somewhere, even with money etc in place.
    You need to show a history of saving (More than a few months).
    For the gift you might need a letter to prove it is a gift (i.e. not repayable).
    It is a lot easier to get a mortgage if permanent (in my experience anyway).


    So I would say keep saving, bare in mind banks are fairly strict on 3.5 times your wage when it comes to lending. They will also take into account your age (when it comes to term of mortgage). Don't be drawn in too much by cashback offers I would say, look at how the rate. You will need to set aside a decent amount of money over deposit for solicitors fees, white goods, furniture, house insurance, life insurance...the list goes on and on.

    Its definitely possible to get a house, I wouldn't be on a huge amount more than you and I bought on my own roughly a year ago in Inchicore, house needed some work but luckily I am pretty handy and my dad is a plumber.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭Michael D Not Higgins


    I'm not sure if a bank will take the freelance work into account, since it isn't guaranteed and could dry up at any moment. I'd be looking to save as much of it as possible towards your deposit.

    At the moment, you'd be able to afford something around 150k which isn't going to stretch very far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,170 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The contract position is an instant no. Full time or solidly self employed is pretty much all the banks want to deal with now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    L1011 wrote: »
    The contract position is an instant no.Full time or solidly self employed is pretty much all the banks want to deal with now.

    Not true!
    Do you think all contractors are never approved mortgages?

    Banks look on employability and past employment history.

    Sure, it might make you look as favourable as a permanent employee, but if you've shown a steady period of employment, you should be ok.
    I've a few friends in IT (all contract workers) who have been approved over the past year or so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,170 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    Not true!
    Do you think all contractors are never approved mortgages?

    Banks look on employability and past employment history.

    Sure, it might make you look as favourable as a permanent employee, but if you've shown a steady period of employment, you should be ok.
    I've a few friends in IT (all contract workers) who have been approved over the past year or so.

    They've just (or are about to) quit paid work for a contract, e.g. have zero history of repeated contracts.

    Long term IT contract workers are effectively self employed. Most are actually employees of their own Ltd company.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭theredletter


    Thanks, all, that is all good solid advice. And yes, the 150k is what's worrying me. I am going to be putting any freelance income into my car (no repayments to make, just insurance and that) and into the deposit. Hopefully I will be able to afford more like 200k in the next few years by myself. I would love to own by the time I'm 30 which gives me 2 years to get my act together lol.

    About employ-ability, I think this is a bit of a con that people led me to believe... I have a PhD so not sure if that works in my favour? I have heard of people changing their title just for banking reasons (I never would use mine!! cringe). Just as an aside.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭theredletter


    L1011 wrote: »
    They've just (or are about to) quit paid work for a contract, e.g. have zero history of repeated contracts.

    Long term IT contract workers are effectively self employed. Most are actually employees of their own Ltd company.

    I used to have 2 FTEs in current company and then was made permanent. This will be the third annual FTE I have gotten in my life! New boss said that permanency is a possibility but depends on funding etc.


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ........... I will be on circa €35k
    - I was gifted 23k from parents and saved 2k over last few months
    - Was paying rent of 650 and now paying 480 (I'm lucky! but to save for house I downsized)...........
    ..............I would love to own by the time I'm 30 which gives me 2 years to get my act together lol.............

    Over the next two years save as much as you can and see what happens.

    Lots of folk felt like you pre 2007, got there eventually and are now still in negative equity so don't be worrying to much about not having property.

    If you have a decent income in 2 years time and a decent savings history sit down and have a look at the situation than. Aim for it but don't let it be a huge must do thing, there's more to life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭Michael D Not Higgins


    Thanks, all, that is all good solid advice. And yes, the 150k is what's worrying me. I am going to be putting any freelance income into my car (no repayments to make, just insurance and that) and into the deposit. Hopefully I will be able to afford more like 200k in the next few years by myself. I would love to own by the time I'm 30 which gives me 2 years to get my act together lol.

    About employ-ability, I think this is a bit of a con that people led me to believe... I have a PhD so not sure if that works in my favour? I have heard of people changing their title just for banking reasons (I never would use mine!! cringe). Just as an aside.

    If you're actually making 5k a month on additional freelance work, I wouldn't worry about saving the additional deposit in two years. Although that depends on how regular that freelance work is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭theredletter


    Augeo wrote: »
    Over the next two years save as much as you can and see what happens.

    Lots of folk felt like you pre 2007, got there eventually and are now still in negative equity so don't be worrying to much about not having property.

    If you have a decent income in 2 years time and a decent savings history sit down and have a look at the situation than. Aim for it but don't let it be a huge must do thing, there's more to life.

    I like that advice... but I suppose I am getting really tired of the rental market. I don't mind sharing a space with another 1-2 people but paying 800 for a box room and a tiny apartment is what's pushing me to buy. My sister has a lovely house in the country and pays around 500-600 on her mortgage. It just gets to me is all. I want somewhere permanent. I thought I had that in last rental but landlord decided to sell.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,245 ✭✭✭myshirt


    That you were gifted €23k will be a huge help. Wow. Very generous.

    Would you be willing to let it sit in a property fund for maybe 3-5 years, let the money keep pace with any growth in the property market.

    Hopefully in a few years your salary will have grown, and you should be a good candidate then. The bulk of a deposit is the big one. €23k plus your 2 will help you greatly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭theredletter


    myshirt wrote: »
    That you were gifted €23k will be a huge help. Wow. Very generous.

    Would you be willing to let it sit in a property fund for maybe 3-5 years, let the money keep pace with any growth in the property market.

    Hopefully in a few years your salary will have grown, and you should be a good candidate then. The bulk of a deposit is the big one. €23k plus your 2 will help you greatly.

    What is this property fund you speak of? LOL. I am such an ignorant person... I will google it! It's currently sitting in numerous accounts in EBS. I'm really aware of how lucky I am for having it. My parents are great people who saved that for me when I was a nipper. I just want to use it wisely!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,245 ✭✭✭myshirt


    Speak to a financial advisor, but something like M&G's funds.


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    IMO the only place a deposit for a house should go is the Post Office or similar. The return is negligible but the risk is effectively zero.

    Speaking to a financial advisor is all well and good but none of them can predict the future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭Alkers


    You should be in a good position to buy in a year or so, more so if you find a life partner!

    In the meantime, work on putting a fixed amount from your wages aside every month and don't touch this money. This, on top of any rent you're paying, will demonstrate mortgage repayment capacity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,088 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    The problem you're gonna have OP is not just the contract role, or the fact that short supply and high demand is pushing prices up, but that you're competing against couples for property (unless you are looking for a 1 bed somewhere)
    Double the income and lower/shared bills means unfortunately that you'll find it tough to compete.

    You say you'd consider anywhere in Dublin really.. Why not a bit further out but still closer to work/family? (EG: I'd consider Ratoath/Dunboyne if I worked in Blanch rather than trekking across from somewhere out on the southside every day)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭theredletter


    Simona1986 wrote: »
    You should be in a good position to buy in a year or so, more so if you find a life partner!

    In the meantime, work on putting a fixed amount from your wages aside every month and don't touch this money. This, on top of any rent you're paying, will demonstrate mortgage repayment capacity.

    I have a partner but I really want to do this independently! I never thought about an Post either.. I will look into it.

    Thanks all!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭theredletter


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    The problem you're gonna have OP is not just the contract role, or the fact that short supply and high demand is pushing prices up, but that you're competing against couples for property (unless you are looking for a 1 bed somewhere)
    Double the income and lower/shared bills means unfortunately that you'll find it tough to compete.

    You say you'd consider anywhere in Dublin really.. Why not a bit further out but still closer to work/family? (EG: I'd consider Ratoath/Dunboyne if I worked in Blanch rather than trekking across from somewhere out on the southside every day)

    Sound advice. I was looking at Clonee as well and Dunshaughlin! I suppose my day will come but to keep the head down and save.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,843 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    I have a partner but I really want to do this independently! I never thought about an Post either.. I will look into it.

    Thanks all!

    Now let me caviat this by saying that I am someone who has a partner and still bought on my own.... but why do you want to buy on your own?

    I could justify it in my case as I'd been trying to do it since before we met - I'd everythign in place but "sale agreed"s kept falling through so long story short, it took me years to buy, and it was on my 4th attempt. I felt like just because I'd decided to buy didnt mean I'd the right to force him into it, even though the bigger budget would have been nice.

    We now live in my house (our home),and he pays me "rent", which is well below the market rate but is fair in terms of my costs etc - I'm not out to make money off him! I think its good as my mortgage is definitely cheaper than our rent in our old apartment, so we should both be able to save over the coming years and buy together in maybe another 3-4 years.

    I won't sugar coat it though - lots of people found this weird and were a bit pass-remarkable at the time. Have you talked with your partner about this? I was lucky that it worked find for us, but there is the potential for it to create inequality in the relationship.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭theredletter


    Now let me caviat this by saying that I am someone who has a partner and still bought on my own.... but why do you want to buy on your own?

    I could justify it in my case as I'd been trying to do it since before we met - I'd everythign in place but "sale agreed"s kept falling through so long story short, it took me years to buy, and it was on my 4th attempt. I felt like just because I'd decided to buy didnt mean I'd the right to force him into it, even though the bigger budget would have been nice.

    We now live in my house (our home),and he pays me "rent", which is well below the market rate but is fair in terms of my costs etc - I'm not out to make money off him! I think its good as my mortgage is definitely cheaper than our rent in our old apartment, so we should both be able to save over the coming years and buy together in maybe another 3-4 years.

    I won't sugar coat it though - lots of people found this weird and were a bit pass-remarkable at the time. Have you talked with your partner about this? I was lucky that it worked find for us, but there is the potential for it to create inequality in the relationship.

    Hi Sarah,

    thanks for that but I honestly have no desire to buy with my partner. It's early days at the moment and we have talked about the next step etc. but I really want to consider my options as an independent like you!

    Does anyone have any experience in going in for a mortgage with a friend? It's just a random idea I had last night in the shower!! Where I make all of my great financial decisions lol

    Thanks again all - I am not feeling as badly!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭Alkers


    Hi Sarah,

    thanks for that but I honestly have no desire to buy with my partner. It's early days at the moment and we have talked about the next step etc. but I really want to consider my options as an independent like you!

    !

    IS this position likely to change over the next couple of years. You will be in a much stronger position to buy with a partner. You should encourage your partner to start thinking towards this end also, even if it just means starting a good savings habit and without talking about buying a house together or anything like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭theredletter


    Simona1986 wrote: »
    IS this position likely to change over the next couple of years. You will be in a much stronger position to buy with a partner. You should encourage your partner to start thinking towards this end also, even if it just means starting a good savings habit and without talking about buying a house together or anything like that.

    I don't think I can ask my partner of 5 months to consider saving for a mortgage with me just yet... Let's go on holidays together first ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭Alkers


    I don't think I can ask my partner of 5 months to consider saving for a mortgage with me just yet... Let's go on holidays together first


    No but you should emphasise the importance that they save for a mortgage in any case!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63 ✭✭_kookie


    If you ask anyone you will find that almost all people who have mortgages now went through a phase a few years before they did get a mortgage where they thought they would never ever qualify for one.
    Dont sweat it. It will happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭theredletter


    Simona1986 wrote: »
    No but you should emphasise the importance that they save for a mortgage in any case!


    Throwing a spanner in the works here... but my partner already has a mortgage! Long story and should have mentioned that earlier!!! But again, it's something I want to do independently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,559 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    L1011 wrote: »
    The contract position is an instant no. Full time or solidly self employed is pretty much all the banks want to deal with now.

    that's not true

    but you'd need about 2 years solid contracts


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,843 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    Hi Sarah,

    thanks for that but I honestly have no desire to buy with my partner. It's early days at the moment and we have talked about the next step etc. but I really want to consider my options as an independent like you!

    Does anyone have any experience in going in for a mortgage with a friend? It's just a random idea I had last night in the shower!! Where I make all of my great financial decisions lol

    Thanks again all - I am not feeling as badly!

    Ah ok, when you said "partner" that just made me thing it was more of a long term relationship. In my case we were together just over 2 years by the time I got my paws on the keys.

    Honestly, I wouldnt buy with a friend. I think theres such a limited number of years that that situation is going to work for, especially if you're already 28 and not yet approved. You could be 30 by the time you've saved enough, found a house and moved in! Then maybe at 33 your priorities change, maybe for one or both of you, but its a minefield.

    Buying alone or with your partner is best, if you feel confident that the relationship will go the distance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭theredletter


    Ah ok, when you said "partner" that just made me thing it was more of a long term relationship. In my case we were together just over 2 years by the time I got my paws on the keys.

    Honestly, I wouldnt buy with a friend. I think theres such a limited number of years that that situation is going to work for, especially if you're already 28 and not yet approved. You could be 30 by the time you've saved enough, found a house and moved in! Then maybe at 33 your priorities change, maybe for one or both of you, but its a minefield.

    Buying alone or with your partner is best, if you feel confident that the relationship will go the distance.

    Thanks. I don't know why I didn't just say boyfriend #internalisedhomophobia

    Thanks a million again. I think I'll work towards that!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,843 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    Thanks. I don't know why I didn't just say boyfriend #internalisedhomophobia

    Thanks a million again. I think I'll work towards that!

    Good luck with it anyway! All you can do right now is save, save, save!

    Just keep in mind that buying the wrong place for the sake of buying can be more expensive than just renting until your circumstances are better. Think professional fees, taxes, moving and decoration costs. If you do buy, make sure its either somewhere you could see youself in for at least 10 years even if you don't actually plan on staying that long. Also, make sure its rentable in good times or bad - right now almost anything is rentable, but places near transport links or other infrastructure like a hospital or airport will always have some sort of rental maket if no longer meets your needs :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭theredletter


    Good luck with it anyway! All you can do right now is save, save, save!

    Just keep in mind that buying the wrong place for the sake of buying can be more expensive than just renting until your circumstances are better. Think professional fees, taxes, moving and decoration costs. If you do buy, make sure its either somewhere you could see youself in for at least 10 years even if you don't actually plan on staying that long. Also, make sure its rentable in good times or bad - right now almost anything is rentable, but places near transport links or other infrastructure like a hospital or airport will always have some sort of rental maket if no longer meets your needs :)

    Maybe saving for another 5-7 years might be great. If I even saved 2k a year I would have around 10k more and have around 40k as a deposit and savings. That might be the best way forward!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    To be honest the new rules are very restrictive and banks seem afraid to lend money to anyone not in the public sector - the 60k freelance work will likely be largely ignored.
    I don't do any freelance work but in my own case the bank would only count 10% of overtime payments as they said they can be stopped at any time, had the effect of knocking over 60k off the amount they'd give me and that was with me stumping up a 50% deposit.
    Cutting your earnings from 95k to 40k or so would have a disastrous impact on what they'd loan you from 300k plus down to maybe 150k.
    Realistically you'll need a much bigger lump sum and maybe even then a second persons earnings.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,843 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    Maybe saving for another 5-7 years might be great. If I even saved 2k a year I would have around 10k more and have around 40k as a deposit and savings. That might be the best way forward!

    Sorry to keep piping up but I'd try to save a bit more. Thats only €166 per month. I think based on your income you could save a bit more. €40k is good, but wouldnt €50k or €60k be better? Banks will want to see evidence that you've saved a decent amount on top of rent. Anyone I know saving for a deposit is putting away about €500 a month, just for context. You've a great advantage in that you've been gifted a small lump sum, so maybe aim for €300-350?

    If you have this freelance work, I'd try to bank as much of that as possible also and get used to living on your regular income as a form of discipline.

    Others can correct me on this but I think there is some sort of relief on DIRT for people saving for a mortgage that might be worth a few €€€ to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    Maybe saving for another 5-7 years might be great. If I even saved 2k a year I would have around 10k more and have around 40k as a deposit and savings. That might be the best way forward!

    If you're earning 5 - 6k a month on top of your wages, why are you only saving 2k a year? Why not 2 - 3k a month or more? You could easily save 200k plus in 7 years!
    Any money you can pay up front rather than borrow will save you an absolute fortune in the long run.
    Put your head down for a few years and you may not even need a mortgage at all??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭intheclouds


    I was on €40 so am taking a drop in wages. I will also be doing additional work for another company and can supplment my new income by around 5-6k a month but it depends if the work is there or not (freelance).

    Is the above a typo?

    If the freelance work brings in 5-6k a month (60-72k per year), then surely after just a few years you could buy a house for cash?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,843 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    Is the above a typo?

    If the freelance work brings in 5-6k a month (60-72k per year), then surely after just a few years you could buy a house for cash?

    I think the OP was saying that some months it can be very lucrative but some months its not there at all.

    If it was reliable income, then yes, it would be a serious amount of money.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭theredletter


    I think the OP was saying that some months it can be very lucrative but some months its not there at all.

    If it was reliable income, then yes, it would be a serious amount of money.

    I wish. Sorry about the typo - 5-6k a year! Though I have been meaning to sell my body.......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭intheclouds


    I wish. Sorry about the typo - 5-6k a year! Though I have been meaning to sell my body.......

    So could you not be saving this 5-6k a year rather than 2k a year?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭theredletter


    So could you not be saving this 5-6k a year rather than 2k a year?

    Currently, I'm saving €150 a year for house, €100 for car insurance etc, and €180 for pension. I am going to continue with this although my new salary will be less but any additional payments (such as from freelance work) I will put in the deposit savings account!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,291 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    OP, I know this isn't what you wanted to hear, but a salary of 35k is very low for someone considering house-ownership.

    So low, in fact, that you could apply for council housing in most parts of the country. (fyi, figures are here - note that they are nett, ie after tax).

    You likely wouldn't get allocated council housing for about a zillion years. But the very fact that the government considers your income low enough that you're eligible for it should make you think twice about whether ownership is realistic.

    I know you have a side-gig. But it's free-lance so likely to come and go. Tax rates mean that even if you earn 6k per year from it, you only nett about 3k of that.

    Unless your salary has the potential to grow substantially, I'd be concerned that you may get together enough to get a mortgage - but then not be able to afford to maintain the house properly. Long term this can leave you worse off, because if the house isn't maintained its value falls, and it can even become uninhabitable (but you'd then be ineligible for council housing, because you'd owned a house.)

    Also, there's a risk you may not have considered: with a side-gig like that, if you became unemployed you would not be eligible for Jobseekers benefit. You can apply for Job-seekers allowance, but that takes longer to assess, and you would get a reduced rate (if any) due to the side-gig. So you need enough cash to live on for longer, in the bank and available to you. Similarly, if you were to get sick and not be able to work - I don't know about the benefit rules for this situation, but suspect they're similar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭theredletter


    OP, I know this isn't what you wanted to hear, but a salary of 35k is very low for someone considering house-ownership.

    So low, in fact, that you could apply for council housing in most parts of the country. (fyi, figures are here - note that they are nett, ie after tax).

    You likely wouldn't get allocated council housing for about a zillion years. But the very fact that the government considers your income low enough that you're eligible for it should make you think twice about whether ownership is realistic.

    I know you have a side-gig. But it's free-lance so likely to come and go. Tax rates mean that even if you earn 6k per year from it, you only nett about 3k of that.

    Unless your salary has the potential to grow substantially, I'd be concerned that you may get together enough to get a mortgage - but then not be able to afford to maintain the house properly. Long term this can leave you worse off, because if the house isn't maintained its value falls, and it can even become uninhabitable (but you'd then be ineligible for council housing, because you'd owned a house.)

    Also, there's a risk you may not have considered: with a side-gig like that, if you became unemployed you would not be eligible for Jobseekers benefit. You can apply for Job-seekers allowance, but that takes longer to assess, and you would get a reduced rate (if any) due to the side-gig. So you need enough cash to live on for longer, in the bank and available to you. Similarly, if you were to get sick and not be able to work - I don't know about the benefit rules for this situation, but suspect they're similar.

    Oh god........ I don't even know how to respond to this. :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭messy tessy


    Oh god........ I don't even know how to respond to this. :(

    Me neither :eek: Was following this thread as I am in a very similar position to you (minus the freelance money) Am saving between €500 - €800 a month in the hope of one day buying in Dublin... but that post, yikes! I think I will leave my head in the sand and keep the faith it will happen in a few years! :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,843 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    I'll say this - yes it tough and the incomes are boarderline, but it doesnt mean you'll never get anything. I don't see either of you being able to buy a 3 bed house alone as competition from couples and families will be too strong, but an apartment (especially if you're not too prescriptive about area) should be an achievable goal with a few years of savings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭theredletter


    I'll say this - yes it tough and the incomes are boarderline, but it doesnt mean you'll never get anything. I don't see either of you being able to buy a 3 bed house alone as competition from couples and families will be too strong, but an apartment (especially if you're not too prescriptive about area) should be an achievable goal with a few years of savings.

    I know there are limitations about one bed apartments, which I would definitely buy but I hear you've to have 20% or more of the deposit saved. It's all and all a disaster. The thing is, if I was able to rent long term with proper policies in place and proper long term leasing that don't completely rip you off, I'd take it. I don't want to own property for the sake of it, I'm trying to get out of the very unfair rental market.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭draiochtanois


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭theredletter


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    Did I say that the pension and car savings were deposit savings? No, I didn't. I was giving a clear indication of my outgoings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭messy tessy


    I know there are limitations about one bed apartments, which I would definitely buy but I hear you've to have 20% or more of the deposit saved. It's all and all a disaster.

    Think the deposit is fair enough, you should be able to prove you can save and can comfortably afford the mortgage. The salary multiplier however is quite restrictive on single applicants that aren't on massive salaries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,170 ✭✭✭✭L1011


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    Paying car insurance in one go can save a significant enough amount (if done cash/debit card not credit obviously) - there are APRs in excess of 10% on the direct debit options. But yes, that savings amount is far too low still.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭Michael D Not Higgins


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    Agreed, however if he's putting the entirety of his freelance work money into his saving also, it's more like €400 a month which is more like the level he needs.

    The real problem I see is that he currently can afford 150k within the CBI rules and is aiming for 200k. However he is saving 4800 per year and that 200k property is increasing by 1-2% in Dublin Y-on-Y, or 2000-4000, meaning he's only closing the gap at most 3k a year and it would take a 10k bump in salary and 5 years saving to close that gap on his own.

    Edit: and to make the proposed timeline of 2 years, he'll want that 10k salary bump within that time period and double his savings rate to 800/month.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    OP, I know this isn't what you wanted to hear, but a salary of 35k is very low for someone considering house-ownership.

    So low, in fact, that you could apply for council housing in most parts of the country. (fyi, figures are here - note that they are nett, ie after tax).

    You likely wouldn't get allocated council housing for about a zillion years. But the very fact that the government considers your income low enough that you're eligible for it should make you think twice about whether ownership is realistic.

    I know you have a side-gig. But it's free-lance so likely to come and go. Tax rates mean that even if you earn 6k per year from it, you only nett about 3k of that.

    Unless your salary has the potential to grow substantially, I'd be concerned that you may get together enough to get a mortgage - but then not be able to afford to maintain the house properly. Long term this can leave you worse off, because if the house isn't maintained its value falls, and it can even become uninhabitable (but you'd then be ineligible for council housing, because you'd owned a house.)

    Also, there's a risk you may not have considered: with a side-gig like that, if you became unemployed you would not be eligible for Jobseekers benefit. You can apply for Job-seekers allowance, but that takes longer to assess, and you would get a reduced rate (if any) due to the side-gig. So you need enough cash to live on for longer, in the bank and available to you. Similarly, if you were to get sick and not be able to work - I don't know about the benefit rules for this situation, but suspect they're similar.

    This is a very realistic summation , if I was the OP I would continue to save and sit on my hands until my financial situation is clear, Banks will not listen to fairy stories of future earnings


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    The problem is you may save to buy a house in area x,
    say you save 10k,in 2 years., houses in that area may go up by 30k or more in the same time period .
    Houses go up by 10 per cent, you need a larger deposit to get a loan.
    go to a mortgage broker,he,ll look at what you earn,your expenses etc
    and give you free advice .
    Banks expect you to earn x amount per month ,per year .
    then they multiply that 3 times approx and expect you to have a deposit ,
    say at least 10 per cent of house value.


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