You've heard of the Red Pill, but has anyone here taken the Iron pill?

maregal

Swallowing the Red Pill means accepting the harsh "politically incorrect" realities of the world we live in. For example, the differing reactions to when a man rapes a woman (lock him up! castrate him!) compared to when a woman rapes a man (Niiiiice). Or how women expect equal pay to men but for doing less work. This is most pronounced in the case of the US military where women have much lower barriers to promotion for the sake of gender quotas. Or how about the nightclub scene which is stacked greatly in favour of women (free entry, beta males will buy you drinks, men must initiate contact giving you the power to pick and choose, even the ugliest, fattest girl can get laid).

Swallowing the Iron Pill acknowledges these truths but then rejects women as a response. This does not mean you're gay, it means you no longer allow your life to revolve around women or getting laid. An Iron Pill male will not allow himself to be subject to the unfair rules of a society that values him less than females. Rejecting women frees up your time and money to focus on intellectual pursuits and on becoming the best version of yourself. Work out everyday and lift weights to sculpt your body to perfection. Read books on philosophy, politics or history. Play video games if that's your thing without a nagging female telling you how you're a loser for doing so. Even Einstein got rid of his wife before coming up with his famous theory of relativity. There is no limit to what man can do if he stops wasting his precious time on Earth trying to woo females who use sex as currency.

maregal

That is a very gynocentric worldview. What happens when you enter a relationship with a female, get married, she gets bored after a few years, asks for a divorce, takes half of your stuff, keeps the house and your children? Instead of wasting time on folly such as "learning game" perhaps you could go to the gym, learn a new language or focus on getting that promotion at work. Work to benefit yourself. It is hard at first but the taste of power is nice when you first reject a women. They can't understand why you don't want them and get frustrated.

'You can't reject me if I reject you first', eh?

Bad women! Marrying the nice guys to take all their stuff!

ancapailldorcha

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Avatar MIA

The greatest support to me in my life has been my wife. So, you can keep your iron pill.

maregal

But why is the onus on men to learn game? Why don't women learn game to attract men? The entire dating scene is fixed against males so reject it and focus on improving yourself physically, intellectually and career-wise. You'll be much happier, confident and successful, which ironically will make you more attractive to females. But do not fall into a parasitic relationship where sex is withheld as currency. One day she'll get pissed off that you wouldn't buy her that 500 euro pair of shoes and she'll accuse you of rape and take destroy all your hard work. A false accusation is all it takes to destroy a man as we've seen many times in the past. Why give women this power over you.

Edit: it's beginning to feel like Stalinist Russia around here with all the removed posts. Kind of ruins the flow of discussion.

eviltwin

maregal wrote: »

Swallowing the Red Pill means accepting the harsh "politically incorrect" realities of the world we live in. For example, the differing reactions to when a man rapes a woman (lock him up! castrate him!) compared to when a woman rapes a man (Niiiiice)

I can't think of a single person who has ever described the rape of a man as 'nice'

ancapailldorcha

This whole Iron Pill thing sounds like more Yank nonsense the likes of which we really, really, really don't need to be importing.

Avatar MIA

eviltwin wrote: »

I can't think of a single person who has ever described the rape of a man as 'nice'

He probably means statutory rape. Female teacher, male student. Most of what he wrote is tosh though.

eviltwin

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

This whole Iron Pill thing sounds like more Yank nonsense the likes of which we really, really, really don't need to be importing.

Tbh the more misogynist assholes that remove themselves from the dating pool the better imo

Insect Overlord

This is genuinely one of the stupidest threads I've ever read.

Did anyone else think the second pill in the title was for people with an iron deficiency?

maregal

eviltwin wrote: »

Tbh the more misogynist assholes that remove themselves from the dating pool the better imo

No need to begin name-calling. I refuse to respond in kind.

The Iron pill is not about hating women. It just means the refusal to allow your life to revolve around them and their needs. Are Buddhist monks in Nepal misogynistic for living lives without women?

Timberrrrrrrr

maregal wrote: »

Swallowing the Red Pill means accepting the harsh "politically incorrect" realities of the world we live in. For example, the differing reactions to when a man rapes a woman (lock him up! castrate him!) compared to when a woman rapes a man (Niiiiice). Or how women expect equal pay to men but for doing less work. This is most pronounced in the case of the US military where women have much lower barriers to promotion for the sake of gender quotas. Or how about the nightclub scene which is stacked greatly in favour of women (free entry, beta males will buy you drinks, men must initiate contact giving you the power to pick and choose, even the ugliest, fattest girl can get laid).

Swallowing the Iron Pill acknowledges these truths but then rejects women as a response. This does not mean you're gay, it means you no longer allow your life to revolve around women or getting laid. An Iron Pill male will not allow himself to be subject to the unfair rules of a society that values him less than females. Rejecting women frees up your time and money to focus on intellectual pursuits and on becoming the best version of yourself. Work out everyday and lift weights to sculpt your body to perfection. Read books on philosophy, politics or history. Play video games if that's your thing without a nagging female telling you how you're a loser for doing so. Even Einstein got rid of his wife before coming up with his famous theory of relativity. There is no limit to what man can do if he stops wasting his precious time on Earth trying to woo females who use sex as currency.

Have never felt I have to live my life that way, does that make me ironman?

eviltwin

maregal wrote: »

No need to begin name-calling. I refuse to respond in kind.

The Iron pill is not about hating women. It just means the refusal to allow your life to revolve around them and their needs. Are Buddhist monks in Nepal misogynistic for living lives without women?

Why do you have to make a big song and dance about it and give it a ridiculous name, why not just do it or is it more about making some stupid point.

maregal

eviltwin wrote: »

Why do you have to make a big song and dance about it and give it a ridiculous name, why not just do it or is it more about making some stupid point.

Please answer the question: Are Buddhist monks in Nepal misogynistic for living lives without women?

Your refusal to do so leads me to believe you're scared of highlighting the holes in your name-calling logic.

Arevaci

The MGTOW movement is correct on many principles. However, mgtows tend to replace their sexual obsession with women with an aggressive obsession with women. My sense is that there's an underlying fantasy whereby if I act really mean to women and ignore them, they'll see what they're missing and come back to me.

My 'redpill' moment if you'd like to call it that came when I did a simple pros/cons analysis of having sex with women. My conclusion (based on experience and research) is that males will always want sex more than women, therefore women can pick and choose and use sex to get what they want - emotional and financial investment. I've hooked-up with women before but never have I come across an attractive girl interested in it - they know they can get much more out of a guy than a one night stand. The only exception is those top 5% of rich/attractive guys who seem to be able to get such girls on a consistent basis.

So I've come to realise that my fantasy of hooking up with an attractive, random stranger is a fantasy - and that my only chance to have sex with an attractive girl is within the confines of a relationship or after series of tedious dates . As a relationship would take up too much of my time and hinder my career progression, I therefore have no chance of having sex with an attractive girl and so there's no point in making an effort.

I've had this thought many times but was always unable to resist my urges to keep chase women. However, this time I've finally had a dose of realism and kept women out of my mind for the last two months. Have to say it has had many benefits. My sleep feels much more solid (no more urges to check my phone at night), pushing through personal bests in the gym and work seems a lot more entertaining than it used to (when you make your life more boring, boring things become entertaining).

Overall I feel my wellbeing has improved, I feel stronger, more attentive, more positive about the future. When I get the urge to go back I just keep thinking of the analogue that I wouldn't be stupid enough to go online and search for a four bedroom house in the middle of Dublin in the <100,000 price range; in the same way the idea that there's an attractive girl waiting there to hook up with me is equally ludicrous.

And I don't have anything against women. They don't want to hook up with me, I don't want to be in a relationship with them. We don't meet each other's need so there's no point in trying to manipulate each other's motives.

ancapailldorcha

eviltwin wrote: »

Why do you have to make a big song and dance about it and give it a ridiculous name, why not just do it or is it more about making some stupid point.

It needs a banner so to speak, a rallying call, a vigil for men to unite under in defiance of our overlords and their beta collaborators.

Dave0301

maregal wrote: »

No need to begin name-calling. I refuse to respond in kind.

The Iron pill is not about hating women. It just means the refusal to allow your life to revolve around them and their needs. Are Buddhist monks in Nepal misogynistic for living lives without women?

Then why are your posts full of generalisations and use derogatory terms to describe women?

You say that men should go on a journey of self improvement to avoid a "parasitic" relationship...being a parasite is not gender specific.

eviltwin

maregal wrote: »

Please answer the question: Are Buddhist monks in Nepal misogynistic for living lives without women?

Your refusal to do so leads me to believe you're scared of highlighting the holes in your name-calling logic.

Might as well ask the same about Catholic priests, the answer there is no because they don't have some crazy notions about women accusing them of rape if they don't get expensive shoes or some such nonsense. Seriously, good luck to you. I think you're doing woman kind a huge favour by remaining single.

endacl

Jesus. People can be really daft at times...



Not aimed at you OP. Just an observation based on your thread.

maregal

maregal wrote: »

No need to begin name-calling. I refuse to respond in kind.

The Iron pill is not about hating women. It just means the refusal to allow your life to revolve around them and their needs. Are Buddhist monks in Nepal misogynistic for living lives without women?

I actually doubt that Buddhist monks talk about women with the kind of dislike and hostile resentment that was abundantly clear in your OP.

So no, I don't think the Monks would compare in the misogyny stakes.

eviltwin

What's with all the reregs on this thread?

maregal

Arevaci wrote: »

And I don't have anything against women. They don't want to hook up with me, I don't want to be in a relationship with them. We don't meet each other's need so there's no point in trying to manipulate each other's motives.

This summarizes my point in a nutshell. Congrats on your enlightenment and newfound happiness my friend. I wish you all the success in the future.

Dave0301

Arevaci wrote: »

I've hooked-up with women before but never have I come across an attractive girl interested in it - they know they can get much more out of a guy than a one night stand. The only exception is those top 5% of rich/attractive guys who seem to be able to get such girls on a consistent basis.

So I've come to realise that my fantasy of hooking up with an attractive, random stranger is a fantasy - and that my only chance to have sex with an attractive girl is within the confines of a relationship or after series of tedious dates . As a relationship would take up too much of my time and hinder my career progression, I therefore have no chance of having sex with an attractive girl and so there's no point in making an effort.

I've had this thought many times but was always unable to resist my urges to keep chase women. However, this time I've finally had a dose of realism and kept women out of my mind for the last two months. Have to say it has had many benefits. My sleep feels much more solid (no more urges to check my phone at night), pushing through personal bests in the gym and work seems a lot more entertaining than it used to (when you make your life more boring, boring things become entertaining).

Overall I feel my wellbeing has improved, I feel stronger, more attentive, more positive about the future. When I get the urge to go back I just keep thinking of the analogue that I wouldn't be stupid enough to go online and search for a four bedroom house in the middle of Dublin in the <100,000 price range; in the same way the idea that there's an attractive girl waiting there to hook up with me is equally ludicrous.

And I don't have anything against women. They don't want to hook up with me, I don't want to be in a relationship with them. We don't meet each other's need so there's no point in trying to manipulate each other's motives.

I am not trying to be smart or belittle your experiences, but newsflash, there are plenty of great women out there that love casual sex just as much as men, and I am not in the top 5% of anything :pac:

I would probably agree that a hook up may be more straight forward for a woman to achieve, but that is not to say that there are not women out there looking for no strings attached sex. It is also disingenuous to imply that women are looking to use sex to trap men in a relationship or to act as an exchange for other material goods.

Pat Mustard

Sounds like the "men going their own way" stuff. Is the expression "Iron Pill" actually used? Sounds ridiculous.

ancapailldorcha

Pat Mustard wrote: »

Sounds like the "men going their own way" stuff. Is the expression "Iron Pill" actually used? Sounds ridiculous.

+1.

Why would you want to eat a piece of iron? Surely a bon-bon would be much nicer. Or a Werther's Original.

endacl

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

+1.

Why would you want to eat a piece of iron? Surely a bon-bon would be much nicer. Or a Werther's Original.

Iron suppository sounds more apt. As in 'shove your silly theory...'?

kunst nugget

Bloody hell, there's some bleak worldviews on here. I'm glad I don't live my life viewing people like that. I suppose the upshot is that you won't be inflicting it on partners.

Can't say I've ever viewed my wife and daughters as parasites willing to shout rape if they don't get a pair of shoes but maybe they're just bidding their time...

Also, a quick Google shows you're talking out of your hole when it comes to Einstein.

It must be awful to despise half the human race in the way the OP seems to. I can't imagine how much poorer my life would be without the many lovely men I know, work with, admire, and love.

rjpf1980

maregal wrote: »

No need to begin name-calling. I refuse to respond in kind.

The Iron pill is not about hating women. It just means the refusal to allow your life to revolve around them and their needs. Are Buddhist monks in Nepal misogynistic for living lives without women?

Yes

endacl

Candie wrote: »

It must be awful to despise half the human race in the way the OP seems to. I can't imagine how much poorer my life would be without the many lovely men I know, work with, admire, and love.

Thread reminds me if that old 'joke'...

What's the difference between a whore and a bitch? A whore is a woman who'll sleep with anybody. A bitch is a woman who'll sleep with everybody but you.

:rolleyes:

endacl

rjpf1980 wrote: »

Yes

Even female Buddhist monks?

eviltwin

Candie wrote: »

It must be awful to despise half the human race in the way the OP seems to. I can't imagine how much poorer my life would be without the many lovely men I know, work with, admire, and love.

I wonder do guys like this have mothers, sisters, female friends, would they think this of their daughter? How do they view men in successful, happy relationships? It's such a depressing way to see the opposite sex and to try and promote it as some kind of wonderful, liberating experience is kinda sad really.

eviltwin

eviltwin wrote: »

I wonder do guys like this have mothers, sisters, female friends, would they think this of their daughter? How do they view men in successful, happy relationships? It's such a depressing way to see the opposite sex and to try and promote it as some kind of wonderful, liberating experience is kinda sad really.

It sounds so empty, so resigned, and so sad. The opposite of empowering, no matter how it's phrased. It's fear of rejection taken to a pre-emptive extreme.

It is a miserable decision to cut oneself off from all the different relationships you have with the opposite sex, not just sexual or romantic ones, that enrich your life.

maregal

Why all the butthurt if a man decides he wants nothing to do with women? If you don't like me that's fine, because I'm not interested in a relationship with you either. This is the perfect example of female anger and frustration when they see they can't entrap you. Labels like misogynist are thrown around without consequences.

My own story: I spent most of my teenage years fixated on getting a girlfriend to have sex. It literally occupied my mind every waking hour (and my dreams while sleeping too I guess). Everything I did was with the motive to attract a girl - dressing nicely, buying a car, getting a part time job to have pocket money, going to parties etc. I couldn't be happy unless I had a girlfriend for validation, to prove I was worth something, to prove I was wanted.

Well it eventually all paid off and I found a girlfriend. Sex for the first time was amazing. It was like my entire teenage life was leading up to this moment. Fast forward a few months of dating and the initial euphoria wore off. The girlfriend wasn't happy because she wants a holiday cos her friend on Facebook went on a holiday. Ok let's book a few days on the beach in Mallorca. Not good enough, her friend went to Miami. She started guilt-tripping me for spending time with my friends. Why wasn't I spending time with her. Then came criticisms about my job. I wasn't earning enough apparently, that's why you can't afford to buy me all these fancy things. Getting a job herself never crossed her mind. The sex quickly dried up too of course, and when we it did occur it was boring and going through the motions.

I felt drained. I was a shadow of my former happy self. I needed to shake this leech and get my old life back. So I did. I also hit the gym and began spending money on myself for the first time in my adult life. It felt great. I began reading more (non-fiction as opposed to fiction) and became interested in Iron Pill philosophy. The revelation hit me like a ton of bricks. It all made sense to me. I swore never to get waste time on women again in my entire life. Haven't set foot in a rip-off nightclub since where I'm expected to compete for female attention (wtf?) and I've never been happier. Let and let live - so leave me alone!

fits

so you're 19?

One woman =/= all women.

It's interesting that you don't see how comments about female entrapment, nagging females, women being out to take everything from men etc., makes you sound like a misogynist. I think you'd do better to work on your self-awareness before you cut yourself off from half of humanity.

Then again, I think you're probably doing us a favour.

El_Dangeroso

eviltwin wrote: »

I wonder do guys like this have mothers, sisters, female friends, would they think this of their daughter? How do they view men in successful, happy relationships? It's such a depressing way to see the opposite sex and to try and promote it as some kind of wonderful, liberating experience is kinda sad really.

All the red-pill types I've ever met usually have a bad relationship with a close female relative. Usually their mother. They then proceed to project this relationship on to 50% of the human race.

No one gives a **** of course that they have made this decision but they make it part of their identity and feel the need to preach their own neuroses with weird religious fervour.

kunst nugget

Tbf, I suggest your the one being butthurt because people on here aren't as enamoured with the iron pill lifestyle as you are. Why start the thread if you're going to be annoyed by people's reactions to it.

RDM_83 again

kunst nugget wrote: »

Also, a quick Google shows you're talking out of your hole when it comes to Einstein.

Yeah if anything Einstein is completely the opposite thing, didn't he get married twice and have a whole bunch of affairs.

The thing about these movements IMO is that they would probably be fine if they were organic things where people who weren't interested in relationships didn't have them there is nothing inherently wrong with that.

I am guessing that this may be partly a reaction to the fact that online dating and our hyper sexualized media means that the possibility of a relationship is always present yet for some men it appears eternally out of reach despite the time they invest, and not to be too judgey its not hard to imagine spending too long on dating sites would make one cynical pretty quickly.

maregal

kunst nugget wrote: »

Tbd, I suggest your the one being butthurt because people on here aren't as enamoured with the iron pill lifestyle as you are. Why start the thread if you're going to be annoyed by people's reactions to it.

I'm not annoyed, just bemused that so many females have swarmed to the Gentlemen's Club forum as soon as word got out that one male wasn't interested in them. Of course I had to be taken down a peg and labelled a misogynist for my decision, despite announcing several times that I don't hate women. I just don't want anything to do with you.

I'm sure they're hammering the report button as we speak so I salute the mods for not caving into mob pressure to censor and shut down alternative opinion.

entropi

maregal wrote: »

Work out everyday and lift weights to sculpt your body to perfection. Read books on philosophy, politics or history. Play video games if that's your thing without a nagging female telling you how you're a loser for doing so.

I have never encountered a woman like this...I've never even heard of a woman that would do anything like calling a man a loser because he wants to improve himself or his net worth.

This Iron Pill thing is just a name and window dressing for some cause or other. In the end, everything like this reverts to some form of previous rejection, then a "cause" is set up and thrown about the internet like it'll help things. If a man wants to focus on himself, so be it. There's no need to imply that women are the cause of a man's woes, simply because women exist.

ancapailldorcha

maregal wrote: »

I'm not annoyed, just bemused that so many females have swarmed to the Gentlemen's Club forum as soon as word got out that one male wasn't interested in them. Of course I had to be taken down a peg and labelled a misogynist for my decision, despite announcing several times that I don't hate women. I just don't want anything to do with you.

I'm sure they're hammering the report button as we speak so I salute the mods for not caving into mob pressure to censor and shut down alternative opinion.

OP, this is a discussion forum. If you don't like how this thread is going, you might find a subreddit more conducive to your needs.

maregal

maregal wrote: »

I'm not annoyed, just bemused that so many females have swarmed to the Gentlemen's Club forum as soon as word got out that one male wasn't interested in them. Of course I had to be taken down a peg and labelled a misogynist for my decision, despite announcing several times that I don't hate women. I just don't want anything to do with you.

I'm sure they're hammering the report button as we speak so I salute the mods for not caving into mob pressure to censor and shut down alternative opinion.

You're overestimating your appeal there, I don't think the ladies of Boards are wiping the tears from their eye because they're being denied a shot at a guy with a clearly poor opinion of women in general.

You painted yourself a misogynist btw, your anger and resentment pervade your posts, even if you can't see it.

I wish you well in your life, but it sounds like a very sad and empty choice to make and you might wake up disillusioned in years to come, wondering what happiness, friendship and love could have been yours. I genuinely hope that doesn't happen.

super_furry

One bad relationship means you wrote off 3.5 billion people? Your seem to be eager to label yourself as a victim and a martyr who's suffering under the oppression of all women everywhere. I'm sorry you were in a bad relationship but you can't let that eat you up forever.

I dunno, I mean if you're happy with how things are for you now, why not just get on with it? Why feel the need to try and convince others that they're wrong in their happy relationships, that they're being tricked and that only you and the other MGTOW folk can see it?

eviltwin

maregal wrote: »

I'm not annoyed, just bemused that so many females have swarmed to the Gentlemen's Club forum as soon as word got out that one male wasn't interested in them. Of course I had to be taken down a peg and labelled a misogynist for my decision, despite announcing several times that I don't hate women. I just don't want anything to do with you.

I'm sure they're hammering the report button as we speak so I salute the mods for not caving into mob pressure to censor and shut down alternative opinion.

There have been female posters on TGC forever. Nothing to do with your thread. Don't flatter yourself. You'd also want to re-read some of the stuff you've thrown up here with regards to women. I'd say suggesting women cry rape if you don't buy them stuff is quite misogynistic.

RDM_83 again

maregal wrote: »

I'm not annoyed, just bemused that so many females have swarmed to the Gentlemen's Club forum as soon as word got out that one male wasn't interested in them. Of course I had to be taken down a peg and labelled a misogynist for my decision, despite announcing several times that I don't hate women. I just don't want anything to do with you.

While I don't agree with your reasoning to why your going down this path RE relationships and one night-stands etc thats your right and fair enough, you could go about that in a non misogynistic way.
However saying you don't want anything to do with women to me implies you don't want to be around women at all rather than simply pursuing a relationship, to me at least that is likely pretty misogynistic.
You never go for a drink with the women you work with, or your sisters or female cousins or so on?

Timberrrrrrrr

maregal wrote: »

I'm not annoyed, just bemused that so many females have swarmed to the Gentlemen's Club forum as soon as word got out that one male wasn't interested in them. Of course I had to be taken down a peg and labelled a misogynist for my decision, despite announcing several times that I don't hate women. I just don't want anything to do with you.

I'm sure they're hammering the report button as we speak so I salute the mods for not caving into mob pressure to censor and shut down alternative opinion.

Actually you sound like you're really annoyed, your 1st girlfriend hasn't turned out to be the princess you thought she was and because of that she has ruined you for all other women because now in your mind they are all the same. Newsflash kiddo, they aren't.

kunst nugget

maregal wrote: »

I'm not annoyed, just bemused that so many females have swarmed to the Gentlemen's Club forum as soon as word got out that one male wasn't interested in them. Of course I had to be taken down a peg and labelled a misogynist for my decision, despite announcing several times that I don't hate women. I just don't want anything to do with you.

I'm really trying to understand the cognitive dissonance that is going on in your head that makes you think that what you've written doesn't belie a misogynistic attitude.

Seriously, what age are you?

maregal

ancapailldorcha

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