I've an idea to cut the numbers of young people starting smoking!

badabing106

In order to smoke, you need a permit

Permit starts at 150 euros upwards per year and limits the amount you can buy

Young person is not going to front up that kind of cash

I am going to email the minister for health with this idea

Any questions?

Arsemageddon

I am now taking advance orders for forged smoking permits - €5 each

PM for details

Tasden

So you'll need a permit card to buy them?
Like an ID card?
Young people already need an id card to buy them and it doesn't stop them

badabing106

But what if I said, linked to that permit is an identify smart card, and you need to swipe and verify when you purchase

The amount of cigarettes you can buy is limited by whatever scheme you are on

punisher5112

Black market...

Parents need to be made responsible and actually look after their own children.

Atlantic Dawn

I've a better idea you could put warnings in Irish and English on the packets warning of the dangers of smoking, also include pictures showing the damage smoking does, then only a fooking idiot would start smoking...oh wait.

kneemos

Put exploding bangers in them.

The Cigerettes,not the kids.

punisher5112

kneemos wrote: »

Put exploding bangers in them.

The Cigerettes,not the kids.

It could be a game 1 in every 2 will explode

toptom

Thats a great idea. Though they should be banned and treated the same as drugs, Fined for smoking them Jailed for selling them

Junkyard Tom

Please go immediately to the Dail and get them to anoint you as our dear leader for life for this wonderful idea with no holes in it at all.

KungPao

But the government want young people to smoke. All them lovely tax monies.

Samaris

Wouldn't work at the moment, all you'd do is encourage tobacco smuggling. I think they've got the right idea at the moment, slowly make smoking harder to do, more expensive, less interesting to kids to try (by reducing the smoking in films etcetera). Smoking has been going on for too long to try draconian measures (or very expensive Big Brother methods). The system of gradually phasing them out does appear to be working. It's not fast, it doesn't create a revolution against smoking, it's not particularly interesting to watch, but it's the best method so far.

Your idea might work in another twenty years time, when smoking is very rare but they don't quite want to make it absolutely illegal yet.

NiallBoo

KungPao wrote: »

But the government want young people to smoke. All them lovely tax monies.

Pretty sure they'd save money. Smoking has enormous costs to the health care system, as well as things like lost productivity, environmental damage and littering.

SEPT 23 1989

so children are not allowed to smoke in cars anymore and now you want to ban them smoking altogether:eek:

NiallBoo

Slowly making it a little more difficult does seem like a good strategy.

I wonder if it might help to ban cigarettes but allow rolling tobacco - just to make it a nuisance to start.

The Truth Man

More Nanny State bollocks. Exactly what this country needs.

JJayoo

badabing106 wrote: »

I am going to email the minister for health with this idea

Any questions?

Are you allowed to be on the internet unsupervised?

hairyslug

How can kids afford cigarettes now, do they all chip in and share them out

claregal1

Most 15-16 year olds are now vaping - they consider it cooler and alot safer than smoking cigs ...

Mambaman

toptom wrote:

Thats a great idea. Though they should be banned and treated the same as drugs, Fined for smoking them Jailed for selling them

Yeah cause the war on drugs is a great success.

Calahonda52

badabing106 wrote: »

In order to smoke, you need a permit

Permit starts at 150 euros upwards per year and limits the amount you can buy

Young person is not going to front up that kind of cash

I am going to email the minister for health with this idea

Any questions?

Looking at the thread heading
I've just taught up of an idea to cut the numbers of young people starting smoking

It is very clearly a well taut out idea.

RobertKK

The main thing that stops some smoking is death and then they probably want to be cremated.

failinis

The same way you need ID to drink. Course no one drinks underage.
I think its better to keep it going as a slow phase out.

jca

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Looking at the thread heading
I've just taught up of an idea to cut the numbers of young people starting smoking

It is very clearly a well taut out idea.

The first thing I spotted too...

end of the road

toptom wrote: »

Thats a great idea. Though they should be banned and treated the same as drugs, Fined for smoking them Jailed for selling them

way to costly for no benefit and return on investment. it would have a very bad bcr.

NiallBoo wrote: »

Pretty sure they'd save money. Smoking has enormous costs to the health care system, as well as things like lost productivity, environmental damage and littering.

the costs to the health care system are more then covered by the taxes on smokes. the amount of productivity lost is not really an issue tbh. litter has laws against it, they need enforcement. the supposed environmental damage is so tiny it's not worth talking about. basically, they wouldn't save any money, but lose more money, and it's not worth the cost.

NiallBoo wrote: »

Slowly making it a little more difficult does seem like a good strategy.

I wonder if it might help to ban cigarettes but allow rolling tobacco - just to make it a nuisance to start.

no . one could simply mind their own business and let people enjoy their drugs in peace. someone else smoking is none of my business personally and i would oppose any measures to bully them (sorry make it difficult for them)

ei9go

Why not just have a date of birth after which you are no longer allowed buy cigs.

So anyone born after 2002 will no longer be allowed to buy cigs.

artanevilla

toptom wrote: »

Thats a great idea. Though they should be banned and treated the same as drugs, Fined for smoking them Jailed for selling them

Aye cause that works....

Go Tobban

I've just taught up of an idea to cut the numbers of young people getting so overweight

Ban all fast food restaurants and high calorie fat foods..or better still bring in an ID system so under 18's cant purchase these evil foods which lead to obesity


See, that's how stupid your idea is

badabing106

Go Tobban wrote: »

I've just taught up of an idea to cut the numbers of young people getting so overweight

Ban all fast food restaurants and high calorie fat foods..or better still bring in an ID system so under 18's cant purchase these evil foods which lead to obesity


See, that's how stupid your idea is

That is allmost the way it is heading naturally though, coffee shops are the new fast-food joints

Although fast food is not as bad as smoking. And smoking is definitely more addictive.You don't get many people over 40 dining out in fast food places regularly

nhunter100

NiallBoo wrote:

Pretty sure they'd save money. Smoking has enormous costs to the health care system, as well as things like lost productivity, environmental damage and littering.

You're overlooking the pension savings.

Damokc

And the same for alcohol, fatty foods, sugary foods.....etc???

badabing106

Damokc wrote: »

And the same for alcohol, fatty foods, sugary foods.....etc???

Forget about foods, smoking is way worse for your health

Fleawuss

Simpler solution: make smoking compulsory for teenagers.

micar

How about limiting the place where cigarettes can be bought!!!

Make buying cigarettes as difficult to buy as possible.

LeBash

It's a good idea, they can all smoke the rabbit **** and barber shop hair filled ones from the street that are a 5er a pack.

There are less and less teens smoking these days. We actually need to tackle the number of adults smoking. Not through taxing of smokes, that's what has fake ones on the street. Maybe tax free vape or a rebate on the tax a person pays if they prove they are off them smokes. Costs a lot less than the care they get in a hospital each year.

Pugzilla

end of the road wrote: »

the costs to the health care system are more then covered by the taxes on smokes. the amount of productivity lost is not really an issue tbh.

This is BS.

Someone with severe COPD
is never going to work again, will get repeatedly readmitted to hospital with lower respiratory tract infections.

Someone with a heart attack may need stenting or an open heart bypass, a stay in coronary care. They will be off work for months. A **** load of money gone right there.

Someone has a stroke and they could spend the rest of their life requiring nursing care.

Someone with cancer may need surgery, chemotherapy and radiotherapy.

I could go on and on.

end of the road

badabing106 wrote: »

Forget about foods, smoking is way worse for your health

people know that, they wish to smoke anyway as they enjoy it.

micar wrote: »

How about limiting the place where cigarettes can be bought!!!

Make buying cigarettes as difficult to buy as possible.

won't make any difference.

Pugzilla wrote: »

This is BS.

Someone with severe COPD
is never going to work again, will get repeatedly readmitted to hospital with lower respiratory tract infections.

Someone with a heart attack may need stenting or an open heart bypass, a stay in coronary care. They will be off work for months. A **** load of money gone right there.

Someone has a stroke and they could spend the rest of their life requiring nursing care.

Someone with cancer may need surgery, chemotherapy and radiotherapy.

I could go on and on.

it's not bs. all those you mentioned are covered by the taxes smokers pay

Pugzilla

end of the road wrote: »

people know that, they wish to smoke anyway as they enjoy it.



won't make any difference.



it's not bs. all those you mentioned are covered by the taxes smokers pay

You have no idea, you should visit a hospital sometime. Though if you're a smoker, you won't have to wait too long for that.

HalloweenJack

How about letting people be free to make their own life decisions?

wakka12

Legalising weed would probably bring tobacco smoking levels down

end of the road

Pugzilla wrote: »

You have no idea, you should visit a hospital sometime. Though if you're a smoker, you won't have to wait too long for that.

i'm not a smoker. however i do believe someone else smoking is not my business and it's between them and their body.

FishOnABike

NiallBoo wrote: »

Pretty sure they'd save money. Smoking has enormous costs to the health care system, as well as things like lost productivity, environmental damage and littering.

It might save in health care costs but would cost more in pensions. Someone has probably worked out the cost / benefit.

Heckler

What about letting adults decide if they want to smoke or not ?

The taxes smokers pay on tobacco covers any health costs payed out.

I think the above is true, if not balls anyway. I'm gonna keep smoking and F you and your "idea"

shedweller

Make movies and tv shows with the message "its disgusting to smoke" in them.
There has been a perpetual message in movies about it being cool to smoke.
Thats no accident.
Anyway, let stupid people do stupid things. Darwin will more or less take care of them.

Pugzilla

end of the road wrote: »

i'm not a smoker. however i do believe someone else smoking is not my business and it's between them and their body.

It is literally my business when someone has to get an amputation due to an infection secondary to peripheral vascular disease caused by smoking. A huge amount of hospital resources spent on smokers.

Smokers are trainwrecks.

shedweller

Pugzilla wrote: »

It is literally my business when someone has to get an amputation due to an infection secondary to peripheral vascular disease caused by smoking. A huge amount of hospital resources spent on smokers.

Smokers are trainwrecks.

Trainwrecks that make lots of money for very powerful people so i dont forsee much changing in the near future.

Heckler

Pugzilla wrote: »

It is literally my business when someone has to get an amputation due to an infection secondary to peripheral vascular disease caused by smoking. A huge amount of hospital resources spent on smokers.

Smokers are trainwrecks.

See my post above. Smokers pay through tax what it costs for their healthcare.

Take your literal outrage elsewhere.

Smoking is going nowhere because it generates the govt more revenue than they pay out for the health costs

Pugzilla

Heckler wrote: »

Take your literal outrage elsewhere.

I'm a doctor, it's my job to be outraged.

freshpopcorn

Most people I know who started smoking took a few cigarettes of a relative/friend without them knowing. They then moved onto asking somebody to go into a shop to buy them for them be it a older friend or a stranger. So they just didn't go out and buy a packet when they felt like it.
I don't know how your system would work. I think people would just stock up on black market cigarettes or just share a card amongst friends/family!

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly

As a doctor your job is (fundamentally) to help the ill.

Obviously you have to be professional and courteous to your patients so I suppose it is tempting to vent on an anonymous forum.

Nemesis......

Pugzilla wrote: »

I'm a doctor, it's my job to be outraged.

no your job is to be a doctor,leave the outrage to the snowflakes