Dental Implants Abroad

muffinman1982

Hi guys, I made the mistake of getting dental implants abroad a number of years ago. I've run into some problems with them and I'm keen to get them removed. Unfortunately I can't seem to find anyone to take them out without travelling abroad again. Once was enough. I was just wondering if anyone has had a similar problem. Thanks

helimachoptor

What's your location OP?

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Taking implants out is a common enough procedure I can PM you the name of a surgeon I work with who does this all the time if you want.

Often taking them out and starting again is the best way to go, particularly if they have lost significant bone or they are placed very extreme angulations.

muffinman1982

Hi Fitzgeme,

That would be fantastic if you wouldn't mind. Apologies for the late reply.

AlaY

Hi, Were did you get these done if you dont mind me asking, I'm going to Budapest to <SNIP> dental. Hoping this isnt the same place.


MOD EDIT: No clinic names allowed on the forum.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Wheather its the same clinic or not....you will still do the same thing. Its common knowledge that dental tourists have a much higher incidence of complications, but confirmation bias allows these concerns to be put aside.

AlaY

No I will take any valid advice on board if it can be substantiated. Overall yes there is a higher incidence of complications but I'm focusing on a specific country and a specific clinic. I've already gone through all the reviews available online and found them to be a highly favourable clinic ( this takes into account that people are more likely to go to the effort of leaving a negative review over a positive review). What I'm trying to find out is recent accounts from people of there experiences in a well known clinic in Hungary. Id also like to hear from dental professionals who can give me an idea of what complications people have presented with from this clinic and if it is a common occurrence. If there are any dental professionals who could evaluate the technology being used by this clinic thay would be a bonus (DIO implants).

Oral Surgeon

AlaY wrote: »

No I will take any valid advice on board if it can be substantiated. Overall yes there is a higher incidence of complications but I'm focusing on a specific country and a specific clinic. I've already gone through all the reviews available online and found them to be a highly favourable clinic ( this takes into account that people are more likely to go to the effort of leaving a negative review over a positive review). What I'm trying to find out is recent accounts from people of there experiences in a well known clinic in Hungary. Id also like to hear from dental professionals who can give me an idea of what complications people have presented with from this clinic and if it is a common occurrence. If there are any dental professionals who could evaluate the technology being used by this clinic thay would be a bonus (DIO implants).

That sounds like it requires a lot of effort from me (or others)... Think I'll have a cuppa instead.....:):)

AlaY

Oral Surgeon wrote: »

That sounds like it requires a lot of effort from me (or others)... Think I'll have a cuppa instead.....:):)

Would be easy enough for an oral surgeon to tell me if they had a lot of people coming for repair work for dental work they had done in Hungary and whether there was a specific clinic that was the culprit.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

I am a prosthetic specialist and I see a lot of people from various eastern European, turkish and other clinics who advertise to the Irish dental tourist. I doubt there is a clinic there whos work I have not seen.

The rate of complication is a lot higher and of greater magnitude than with non traveling patients. I have posted many examples on this forum for nearly a decade.

No one takes a blind bit of notice.

I am unfamiliar with DIO implants (seem to be Korean?? around since 2007), all implants are basically the same so I am sure the are fine, so long as the components will be readily available in the future. Most good clinics like to stick with the big implant companies (of which DIO is not) that have been around a long time to ensure that the availability of components in the future is good. These implants tend to be a bit more pricey to purchase. Its not the nails that make a good house, its knowing how. when and where to hammer them in.

There are good dentists and bad dentists everywhere. However the good dentist seem to spend their time treating the local population rather than advertising for people to fly in and out to have advanced and complex dental treatment that requires access to immediate and long term maintenance.

Search the forum you will find out that this has been well discussed before, there are a number of examples from dentists and patients for whom treatment did not go well. There is even one hilarious example of a chap that thought it was brilliant even though he have to have it redone shortly afterwards cause it looked rubbish.

I am sure there are people out there that have had brilliant experiances. I can certainly tell you they dont show up here much and myself and most of my colleagues dont see them.

I wish you well. We cannot see who the clinic is, cause no names are allowed on the forum.

helimachoptor

This should be eye opening

http://www.independent.ie/life/health-wellbeing/health-features/the-high-cost-of-cutprice-dentistry-30354219.html

Also if i remember correctly, that particular clinic ripped off some photo's from Fitzgeme's website.. but of course their reviews will be valid...

AlaY

Thanks I seen this.

helimachoptor

as Fitz says, if you have a search of the forum you will see a lot of stuff, but ultimately its up to you to make the decision.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Is this the same clinic that had a sales rep on this forum posing as an impartial patient giving glowing reviews? The same clinic that posted my work on their social media?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056526627&page=3

I have also posted several cases with photographic evidence of this clinics work some years back.....husband and wife clinker it was. Oh and Oral Surgeon that nice photo you have of the extracted bridge with all the teeth, was from there.

OP sometimes it is best not to ask..:)

mikeoneilly

Andi Skinny Mall wrote: »

I am a prosthetic specialist and I see a lot of people from various eastern European, turkish and other clinics who advertise to the Irish dental tourist. I doubt there is a clinic there whos work I have not seen.

The rate of complication is a lot higher and of greater magnitude than with non traveling patients. I have posted many examples on this forum for nearly a decade.

No one takes a blind bit of notice.

I am unfamiliar with DIO implants (seem to be Korean?? around since 2007), all implants are basically the same so I am sure the are fine, so long as the components will be readily available in the future. Most good clinics like to stick with the big implant companies (of which DIO is not) that have been around a long time to ensure that the availability of components in the future is good. These implants tend to be a bit more pricey to purchase. Its not the nails that make a good house, its knowing how. when and where to hammer them in.

There are good dentists and bad dentists everywhere. However the good dentist seem to spend their time treating the local population rather than advertising for people to fly in and out to have advanced and complex dental treatment that requires access to immediate and long term maintenance.

Search the forum you will find out that this has been well discussed before, there are a number of examples from dentists and patients for whom treatment did not go well. There is even one hilarious example of a chap that thought it was brilliant even though he have to have it redone shortly afterwards cause it looked rubbish.

I am sure there are people out there that have had brilliant experiances. I can certainly tell you they dont show up here much and myself and most of my colleagues dont see them.

I wish you well. We cannot see who the clinic is, cause no names are allowed on the forum.

Why wouldn't the good dentists work in the area of dental tourism

Dianthus

mikeoneilly wrote: »

Why wouldn't the good dentists work in the area of dental tourism

To paraphrase a colleague, it's one thing making a baby, and another thing minding a baby
As a general rule, "good" dentists prefer to moniter& maintain their work, and review their patients at regular intervals& over the longterm.
With dental tourists, patients disappear off into the distance& any hassle is generally dealt with by someone else, usually in their own country.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Its unethical to carry out treatment in such short periods of time. Often working off treatment plans created by others. Good work is stepwise, ensuring that healing takes place, disease processes are halted, cleaning is acceptable, things are pain free, things look good and the necessary level of precision is met.

Patient working to the deadline of a flight time, get what they get in the time. If you asked me to do the same job in that time, I am sure the same would happen. Hence I refuse, the work so fast and under deadline. Also the dental tourism patient is often at a communication disadvantage.

The answer basically is that the best dentist dont have to, the same as the best chiefs dont work in Mcdonalds.

Stheno

Dianthus wrote: »

To paraphrase a colleague, it's one thing making a baby, and another thing minding a baby
As a general rule, "good" dentists prefer to moniter& maintain their work, and review their patients at regular intervals& over the longterm.
With dental tourists, patients disappear off into the distance& any hassle is generally dealt with by someone else, usually in their own country.

That's a great description of my dentist, I always find it ironic that he's a bit of a bear of a man, but does incredibly delicate work.

I went back to him last year after a couple of years of treatment on the hoof due to work travel, and said to him that I wanted to put in a long term plan to address the issues with my teeth (two crowns needed), better general hygiene on my part and anything else that came up.

I was lucky, just needed to have one other tooth crowned to deal with a filling that was a bit damaged.

So he got to work, and I'd a gap between the two teeth that needed a crown each, so he put in a (I forget the name of it specifically) bridge along with the crowns that filled that gap.

Next up is getting the last tooth dealt with and deciding what to do with one remaining gap that I have.

Now my dentist is interested in cosmetic dentistry, implantology and something begininng with e, endontoloty maybe? and hugely interested in long term dental health, and if you show any sort of willing he's fantastic to deal with.

He also specialises in patients who are afraid of dentists.

I know I could have fecked off abroad and had god knows what done in a week, but I also know with my dentist, that I'm getting a plan that will work for me, that I won't be fearful of, and I won't be rushed into. He also takes fierce pride in his work, any time I get something big like the new bridge done, when I am next in he's checking to see how it's settling, if I'm happy with it etc. Even the day he put it in, he was worse than my hairdresser getting me to take a look in the mirror to see what I thought

And from past experience I also know that if something goes wrong, he's a very very fair individual. I'd a three root root canal done several years ago with him, and a very small bit of nerve was left behind.

When I went back in a couple of weeks later he checked, discovered there was a bit left there and explained I'd have to have it redone to take it out. Before I could even ask about the cost, he advised it was free of charge which I very much appreciated. I reckon over the ten odd years that I've been in and out to him, I've given maybe 50 people referrals to him.

You can't build that sort of relationship with patients if you are working in dental tourism.

Oral Surgeon

Andi Skinny Mall wrote: »

Its unethical to carry out treatment in such short periods of time. Often working off treatment plans created by others. Good work is stepwise, ensuring that healing takes place, disease processes are halted, cleaning is acceptable, things are pain free, things look good and the necessary level of precision is met.

Patient working to the deadline of a flight time, get what they get in the time. If you asked me to do the same job in that time, I am sure the same would happen. Hence I refuse, the work so fast and under deadline. Also the dental tourism patient is often at a communication disadvantage.

The answer basically is that the best dentist dont have to, the same as the best chiefs dont work in Mcdonalds.

Wrong

mikeoneilly

Dianthus wrote: »

To paraphrase a colleague, it's one thing making a baby, and another thing minding a baby
As a general rule, "good" dentists prefer to moniter& maintain their work, and review their patients at regular intervals& over the longterm.
With dental tourists, patients disappear off into the distance& any hassle is generally dealt with by someone else, usually in their own country.

Ok I get the point about the dentist following up on his own work , makes sense.Why should an Irish dentist have to maintain someone else's work.

But assuming the foreign dentist does a good job at a much cheaper price(I can't imagine they are all bad dentists).Do they not provide a follow-up service where required.

davo10

mikeoneilly wrote: »

Ok I get the point about the dentist following up on his own work , makes sense.Why should an Irish dentist have to maintain someone else's work.

But assuming the foreign dentist does a good job at a much cheaper price(I can't imagine they are all bad dentists).Do they not provide a follow-up service where required.

No doubt they do, but I suspect the follow up requires you to travel back to their clinic.

I know <snip> used to advertise follow up care in their clinics in Dublin and Cork but after their High Court case they shut both clinics. I think there used to be a place in the IFSC which used to provide follow up care but that closed having taken a lot of deposits on treatments to be provided abroad, I can't remember the clinic name.

Edit: <snip>, interesting read if you google them.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

mikeoneilly wrote: »

But assuming the foreign dentist does a good job at a much cheaper price(I can't imagine they are all bad dentists).Do they not provide a follow-up service where required.

There is the assumption that causes all the problems. Quality dental work cannot be done in short periods of time...full stop. That assumption is to put aside all the risks. To do so is a logical fallacy that only serves to confirm decisions already made or rephrase notions heard in the dental tourism echo chambers of marketing and advertising.

All this business has been going on long enough now that people are rightly much more cautious. I think we have had a little part to play in that. Pretty much anyone I talk to know of somebody that had a job done that was done too fast or was too ugly.

gsp119

Hi Stheno,

Would you mind if I got your dentist details please? Sounds ideal

Tks
J


QUOTE=Stheno;102686239]That's a great description of my dentist, I always find it ironic that he's a bit of a bear of a man, but does incredibly delicate work.

I went back to him last year after a couple of years of treatment on the hoof due to work travel, and said to him that I wanted to put in a long term plan to address the issues with my teeth (two crowns needed), better general hygiene on my part and anything else that came up.

I was lucky, just needed to have one other tooth crowned to deal with a filling that was a bit damaged.

So he got to work, and I'd a gap between the two teeth that needed a crown each, so he put in a (I forget the name of it specifically) bridge along with the crowns that filled that gap.

Next up is getting the last tooth dealt with and deciding what to do with one remaining gap that I have.

Now my dentist is interested in cosmetic dentistry, implantology and something begininng with e, endontoloty maybe? and hugely interested in long term dental health, and if you show any sort of willing he's fantastic to deal with.

He also specialises in patients who are afraid of dentists.

I know I could have fecked off abroad and had god knows what done in a week, but I also know with my dentist, that I'm getting a plan that will work for me, that I won't be fearful of, and I won't be rushed into. He also takes fierce pride in his work, any time I get something big like the new bridge done, when I am next in he's checking to see how it's settling, if I'm happy with it etc. Even the day he put it in, he was worse than my hairdresser getting me to take a look in the mirror to see what I thought

And from past experience I also know that if something goes wrong, he's a very very fair individual. I'd a three root root canal done several years ago with him, and a very small bit of nerve was left behind.

When I went back in a couple of weeks later he checked, discovered there was a bit left there and explained I'd have to have it redone to take it out. Before I could even ask about the cost, he advised it was free of charge which I very much appreciated. I reckon over the ten odd years that I've been in and out to him, I've given maybe 50 people referrals to him.

You can't build that sort of relationship with patients if you are working in dental tourism.[/QUOTE]