#two women travel

jockeyboard

Am i blind or is there no ah thread for this???
What do you think of tweeting the termination experience?

Fleawuss

Blind huh? There's only one cause for that known to AH.

jockeyboard

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Link to the other thread if there is one??

hatrickpatrick

I admire their determination but I don't think it'll make much difference. Society and the government already know full well that this kind of thing goes on and how it affects those who have to go through this - there's no lack of awareness, so raising awareness isn't going to do much. The problem is that they don't seem to give a bollocks. And as long as we keep electing centre-right parties into government, that will remain the case.

spurious

People tweet about whatever they want.
The termination experience is one I wouldn't wish on anyone, but neither would I ever condemn anyone for choosing it. Their body.

Keane2baMused

If someone doesn't mention a cup soon i'm giving up on AH.

The_Valeyard

Well, this will probably go down in flames like the thread earlier.

failinis

As far as I know they are tweeting the journey and that experience, not the actual medical procedure.
Need to check the twitter feed again now though.

Widdershins

It's well known that there are many more women making the same journey from Ireland, every single day. Maybe this makes it harder to ignore. It's probably a good idea to keep it in the public eye and publicise it.

jockeyboard

Yes they are live tweeting their journey traveling from ireland to uk.
Presume the woman would be under aneasthetic for actual termination.
Wasnt aware there was an earlier thread for this but was surprised i couldnt find one?
The comments on facebook are unreal relating to this.....

Gatling

Wouldn't be tweeting it ,

But her Body her choice ,

All the power to the poor lady

Mary63

Totally crass thing to do,this journey isn't going to buy cheap wine,its going to terminate the life of an unborn child.

I don't want to read about Roisin Ingles termination or any of those other female journalists employed by the Irish Times either.I have stopped buying the Irish Times too because of Una Mullally,I don't care if you are gay,keep it to yourself,Im bored of your non stop me,me me articles.

Widdershins

Hm..so Caroline Hirons tweets from the U.K, to people to ''get on board'' with twowomentravel. Is there a way of supporting them/the campaign in general if you're not in Ireland?

sabat

I was on board until James Corden tweeted his support.

Widdershins

I don't see the problem. They're not doing it lightly or flippantly. The point is that they are refusing to stay out of sight and out of mind like the other 11 women who had to make the same journey that day.

I do find Roisin Ingle's comment a little bit strange. ''I would want my daughters to have abortions if they had crisis pregnancies. Because I them.''

Kind of sounds like there wouldn't be a discussion

RayM

Mary63 wrote: »

I don't want to read about Roisin Ingles termination or any of those other female journalists employed by the Irish Times either.

Hopefully our abortion laws will change some day, and then women who had to leave the country for terminations will no longer need to share their stories.

Annasopra

RayM wrote: »

Hopefully our abortion laws will change some day, and then women who had to leave the country for terminations will no longer need to share their stories.

Hopefully but I would be fearful myself that instead of a full repeal of the eighth amendment that we get a fudged Irish solution to an Irish problem.

danger mouse

I completely disagree with abortion. The protection of the unborn should be upheld at all costs..This state is on a slippery slope and its getting worse.

andekwarhola

I support the right to termination and can intellectually appreciate the fact that they're protesting but turning something as serious and personal as that in protest tweet fodder wouldn't be my thing.

lazybones32

Did either of these 'brave women' say why one is terminating her child?

andekwarhola

lazybones32 wrote: »

Did either of these 'brave women' say why one is terminating her child?

Because she wants to?

lazybones32

A fine reason to kill your child....

Gatling

lazybones32 wrote: »

Did either of these 'brave women' say why one is terminating her child?

No reading back through tweets they don't give a reason don't think anyone has actually asked either


https://mobile.twitter.com/TwoWomenTravel

c montgomery

andekwarhola wrote: »

Because she wants to?

What about the dad, was he consulted?
It takes 2 to make a baby, the man is always forgotten in these discussions.

c montgomery

Gatling wrote: »

No reading back through tweets they don't give a reason don't think anyone has actually asked either


https://mobile.twitter.com/TwoWomenTravel

Maybe it's a PR stunt and neither are pregnant

Triceratops Ballet

lazybones32 wrote:

Did either of these 'brave women' say why one is terminating her child?

No reason they should. She's a grown woman capable of making her own decisions, her reasoning and decision making process is nobody elses business

Richard Hillman

This stinks of a stunt.

c montgomery

dottie_lottie wrote: »

No reason they should. She's a grown woman capable of making her own decisions, her reasoning and decision making process is nobody elses business

It's the dad's business

andekwarhola

c montgomery wrote: »

What about the dad, was he consulted?
It takes 2 to make a baby, the man is always forgotten in these discussions.

I happen to agree about the hard deal we as men get sometimes but the women carries the child in her body at the end of the day. Plus nobody knows what the background to the pregnancy.

c montgomery

andekwarhola wrote: »

I happen to agree about the hard deal we as men get sometimes but the women carries the child in her body at the end of the day. Plus nobody knows what the background to the pregnancy.

Or if there even is a pregnancy

Gatling

c montgomery wrote: »

It's the dad's business

Does that include rape or incest

the groutch

#dontbelieveevrythingyoureadontwitter

lazybones32

dottie_lottie wrote: »

No reason they should. She's a grown woman capable of making her own decisions, her reasoning and decision making process is nobody elses business

She's decided to share every other aspect...why not the most important one? The motivation for killing her child.

Fluffy Cat 88

lazybones32 wrote: »

Did either of these 'brave women' say why one is terminating her child?

Because its their bodies and their choice. They are not answerable to you or anyone else. They are doing this to highlight the issues faced by thousands of Irish women who choose to make this journey every year for their own personal reasons.

c montgomery

Gatling wrote: »

Does that include rape or incest

What % of abortions are the result of the above?

Dad's should have a say, obviously not in the cases above.

Triceratops Ballet

c montgomery wrote:

It's the dad's business

Oh so you know for a fact that he wasn't consulted, do you?

This might astound you, but there are many women who have abortions with the full knowledge and support of their partner.

andekwarhola

c montgomery wrote: »

Or if there even is a pregnancy

Nobody can know for certain, including you or anybody here.

c montgomery

dottie_lottie wrote: »

Oh so you know for a fact that he wasn't consulted, do you?

This might astound you, but there are many women who have abortions with the full knowledge and support of their partner.

Good to know we have an expert like you to call on.

IMO this was a PR stunt

I believe in many cases the father is told this is what's happening and that's that

Triceratops Ballet

lazybones32 wrote:

She's decided to share every other aspect...why not the most important one? The motivation for killing her child.

Because it's irrelevant to anyone else.

c montgomery

dottie_lottie wrote: »

Because it's irrelevant to anyone else.

It's as relevant as the yarn she will spinning today

Triceratops Ballet

c montgomery wrote:

IMO this was a PR stunt

I don't care if it was, IMO it's an issue that can and has affected women in my life, and the more attention drawn to the horrendous experience these women go through, the better

c montgomery

dottie_lottie wrote: »

I don't care if it was, IMO it's an issue that can and has affected women in my life, and the more attention drawn to the horrendous experience these women go through, the better

The experience will be as horrific if carried out in Ireland, just a bit less travel time.

Sittingpretty

I also believed it to be a PR exercise.

If not, I found it incredibly crass. No matter what side of the abortion fence one falls on, such a procedure is not Twitter fodder IMHO.

Abortion is a very tricky one for me, something I personally don't think I could ever do but I don't necessarily feel I should make that choice for anyone else. That being said I just can't get on the abortion on demand bandwagon. I don't know why, I just can't.

No matter how you look at today, two women and the beginnings of a baby travelled to UK today. Only the two women returned and that's why I find the whole Twitter # of this experience today incredibly distasteful. Not one of the tweets supporting these women today was respectful or mindful of that.

endacl

#twitteriskindasilly

volchitsa

Sittingpretty wrote: »

Abortion is a very tricky one for me, something I personally don't think I could ever do but I don't necessarily feel I should make that choice for anyone else. That being said I just can't get on the abortion on demand bandwagon. I don't know why, I just can't.

No matter how you look at today, two women and the beginnings of a baby travelled to UK today. Only the two women returned and that's why I find the whole Twitter # of this experience today incredibly distasteful. Not one of the tweets supporting these women today was respectful or mindful of that.

So in your opinion it's sort of ok for a woman to make that choice, as long as she's sufficiently sad and ashamed of her actions? How does that work? Or is it enough for her just to keep it secret?

Wigglepuppy

volchitsa wrote: »

So in your opinion it's sort of ok for a woman to make that choice, as long as she's sufficiently sad and ashamed of her actions? How does that work? Or is it enough for her just to keep it secret?

Where did she say that? As far as I can see, she just said she does not think she would be able to have an abortion/does not like the idea of it, but would not take issue with the choice being available.

That's my take too. I find "It's her body" to be quite disingenuous when there is another body growing inside her, but I would still support the choice being available because it is necessary at times.

There is too much "all or nothing" from members of both the pro and anti choice lobbies when each individual case is too nuanced to be so black and white.

suicide_circus

And it won't do their profiles any harm

Fluffy Cat 88

Fluffy Cat 88 wrote: »

Because its their bodies and their choice. They are not answerable to you or anyone else...

I'm pro choice.

On the other hand, I'm also pro democracy. And the Irish people have decided that there is one other person who has certain rights, the unborn child. Now, we have decided that those rights do not extend to preventing abortion here in certain circumstances, or the right to travel. But the electorate has decided that the unborn has rights. So not sure we can say "it's no one else's business" when we have ascribed rights to the unborn.

volchitsa

Wigglepuppy wrote: »

Where did she say that? As far as I can see, she just said she does not think she would be able to have an abortion/does not like the idea of it, but would not take issue with the choice being available.

That's my take too. I find "It's her body" to be quite disingenuous when there is another body growing inside her, but I would still support the choice being available because it is necessary at times.

There is too much "all or nothing" from members of both the pro and anti choice lobbies when each individual case is too nuanced to be so black and white.

Wanting, or not wanting an abortion oneself is not the point though is it? I may not want to marry, but that doesn't give me the right to judge other people's decisions to marry.

For abortion (other people's I mean) it seems to me there is only one question : is it murder or not? If it is, we should criminalize women who have one, bring them to court, whatever. If it isn't, then it's none of our business. It would be a little crass to comment on someone else's wedding or funeral or any other major life event.

I think the same about her abortion. The only reason she's tweeting it is because the law in our own country has been found to contravene human rights. Criticizing a woman just for pointing that out - that's what's crass. IMO.

lazybones32

Fluffy Cat 88 wrote: »

Because its their bodies and their choice. They are not answerable to you or anyone else. They are doing this to highlight the issues faced by thousands of Irish women who choose to make this journey every year for their own personal reasons.

It's not her body that will be dissolved in saline solution or cut up and vacuumed out, is it? It's her child's body.

dottie_lottie wrote: »

Because it's irrelevant to anyone else.

Which is why she posted it in the Public domain...because it is irrelevant!

volchitsa

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm pro choice.

On the other hand, I'm also pro democracy. And the Irish people have decided that there is one other person who has certain rights, the unborn child. Now, we have decided that those rights do not extend to preventing abortion here in certain circumstances, or the right to travel. But the electorate has decided that the unborn has rights. So not sure we can say "it's no one else's business" when we have ascribed rights to the unborn.

Presumably "democracy" isn't defined as "having a vote every few decades" though, is it?

Just about no woman still of reproductive age had a vote on the initial clause, and there has been no opportunity to repeal it since. Calling that "Democracy" is pushing it a bit.