Back street abortions

Smondie

Everyone's favourite abortion clinic marie stopes has suspended half it's abortion services in the uk over concerns about the care it was providing.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3749735/Marie-Stopes-suspends-abortion-services-amid-safety-concerns.html#article-3749735

Officials raised fears about vulnerable women not being properly safeguarded, problems with training and competence and the use of anaesthesia and sedation.


They also had issues concerning consent – although there were no details over specific worries.

Britain’s biggest abortion provider, which sees 70,000 women a year, suspended all terminations that would involve general anaesthetic or sedation.

Cee-Jay-Cee

What does the title of this thread have to do with the story?

Are you one of those barmy pro-life types that likes to impose YOUR views and opinions on others??

Allinall

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

What does the title of this thread have to do with the story?

Are you one of those barmy pro-life types that likes to impose YOUR views and opinions on others??

Misleading and possibly defamatory thread title.

Also no opinion offered by OP.

Waste of Internet space.

Smondie

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

What does the title of this thread have to do with the story?

Are you one of those barmy pro-life types that likes to impose YOUR views and opinions on others??

If they are not providing proper care as they are supposed to, they fall under the heading.

OP I don't know what to do with that information

Smondie

Allinall wrote: »

Misleading and possibly defamatory thread title.

Also no opinion offered by OP.

Waste of Internet space.

A waste of internet space to bring to the attention this issue when a lot of Irish women use thier services?

tracey turnblad

I've used their services in the past. There's no 'care' it's a cattle market. It was horrible.

Allinall

Smondie wrote: »

A waste of internet space to bring to the attention this issue when a lot of Irish women use thier services?

You underestimate the intelligence of Irish women if you think they turn to boards.ie After Hours forum for information on abortion.

Don't kid yourself that you're doing other than trying to start a row.

Smondie

tracey turnblad wrote: »

I've used their services in the past. There's no 'care' it's a cattle market. It was horrible.

At least the proper authorities are investing things now. They also didn't like what they seen in terms of care being provided.


The issue of consent they also raise is quite worrying, we'll have to wait until the report is released later in the year to find out what thier exact concerns in that regard are. But it has suspended services for under 18's

conorhal

Allinall wrote: »

You underestimate the intelligence of Irish women if you think they turn to boards.ie After Hours forum for information on abortion.

Don't kid yourself that you're doing other than trying to start a row.

It's pretty serious and sinister if the clinics have banned procedures for under 18's and over 10 weeks because they require sedation not to mention suspending procedures all together in one clinic. The concerns expressed would suggest that doctors in these clinics are colluding with forcing women to have abortions.
That's a pretty big story, but lets not kid ourselves, the instantaneous shrieks of 'nothing to see here' are coming form quarters that don't want a fight, or any attention drawn to this at all because it presents a compelling argument for restricting abortion.

RobertKK

Marie Stopes cleared of killing a woman who bled to death - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3576889/Doctor-two-nurses-cleared-killing-woman-bled-death-travelling-Ireland-UK-abortion.html
The woman in question had traveled from Ireland for her safe and legal abortion.

Doctor struck off after nearly killing an Irish woman who had an abortion at a Marie Stopes clinic - http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/doctor-struck-off-as-abortion-nearly-kills-irish-woman-26798027.html

These are two cases involving Irish women, what is as bad is we had some women go on the 'abortion train' from Belfast to Dublin to make a pro-abortion stand by taking abortion pills in Dublin. The head doctor at Holles street said this was dangerous for pregnant women who might decide to do the same as they could bleed to death.

An intentional abortion is a big procedure and those who use the term 'safe' abortion are misleading, there can be complications as with any medical procedure, and even death as we have seen at Marie Stopes who got off a charge of killing their patient.

The thing about Marie Stopes the woman, she was in favour of eugenics, but not abortion.

tracey turnblad

I think it could possibly be there is no counselling, there is no asking have you thought of any alternatives and no asking if your doing this if your own will or why are you doing it. Now I was shocked about this I thought I'd have to tell one person at least why I wanted a termination and while I was glad, I think someone in a vulnerable position that was maybe being forced or didn't know what the alternative was should even be offered if the want to speak to someone. They brought me into this cupboard/room and told me to remove my lower garments and go into the room... I was given a small sheet (kind of hand towel size) to wrap around my bits. I felt humiliated and felt like running out of there but I knew I had to go through with it. I was 7 weeks but got knocked out and I couldn't wait just to be knocked out. You wake up and are brought into a room with loads of other women and on like a sun lounger type chair not even a curtain between you. I felt embarrassed and humiliated, apart from all the Catholic Irish standard guilt. I don't know what I was expecting... But a bit more care I felt like a piece of meat.

Smondie

tracey turnblad wrote: »

I think it could possibly be there is no counselling, there is no asking have you thought of any alternatives and no asking if your doing this if your own will or why are you doing it. Now I was shocked about this I thought I'd have to tell one person at least why I wanted a termination and while I was glad, I think someone in a vulnerable position that was maybe being forced or didn't know what the alternative was should even be offered if the want to speak to someone. They brought me into this cupboard/room and told me to remove my lower garments and go into the room... I was given a small sheet (kind of hand towel size) to wrap around my bits. I felt humiliated and felt like running out of there but I knew I had to go through with it. I was 7 weeks but got knocked out and I couldn't wait just to be knocked out. You wake up and are brought into a room with loads of other women and on like a sun lounger type chair not even a curtain between you. I felt embarrassed and humiliated, apart from all the Catholic Irish standard guilt. I don't know what I was expecting... But a bit more care I felt like a piece of meat.

Thank you for sharing your experience.

Even valid concerns about procedures are being shouted down by some quarters. It must be difficult for women who have had a bad experience to speak out.

RobertKK wrote: »

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The thing about Marie Stopes the woman, she was in favour of eugenics, but not abortion.

I did not know this, but after reading up on her it seems she was quite the fan of Hitler and his eugenics programmes.

skywanderer

Abortion is murdering an unborn child so if it was my decision I'd be closing them all and charging abortionists with Murder; these unborn children could bring so much happiness and joy to the world; look at all those couples who can't conceive and would give anything to be pregnant. I'm glad Ireland still protects the unborn and has so far resisted all liberal feminist hard left pressure to start killing the most defenseless the unborn.

hairyslug

skywanderer wrote: »

Abortion is murdering an unborn child so if it was my decision I'd be closing them all and charging abortionists with Murder; these unborn children could bring so much happiness and joy to the world; look at all those couples who can't conceive and would give anything to be pregnant. I'm glad Ireland still protects the unborn and has so far resisted all liberal feminist hard left pressure to start killing the most defenseless the unborn.

And for FFA, what do you propose

skywanderer

hairyslug wrote: »

And for FFA, what do you propose

I propose we retain the status quo with limited access to abortion in cases where the foetus is unlikely to survive long outside the womb or in cases of severe permanent disability like microcephaly etc. or where carrying the child to term could endanger the life of the mother. I propose that mental illness be removed from this category also. Abortion is killing a child and no healthy pregnancy should be terminated; what needs to happen is provide better sexual education, access to contraception and provide far more pro life options to mothers; abortion should never be an option.

Smondie

I do find it interesting the pro abortion campaigners are not too interested in wether the abortions they are campaigning for are carried out in a safe manner with proper procedures and protocols in place.

But I suppose the The Care Quality Commission will also be dismissed as
one of those barmy pro-life types that likes to impose thier views and opinions on others.

PucaMama

RobertKK wrote: »

The thing about Marie Stopes the woman, she was in favour of eugenics, but not abortion.

Abortion for when the child has a disability, like Down's syndrome, is eugenics. Aborting because of a non life threatening condition should not be allowed. And I'm sceptical about allowing for supposed life limiting because doctors have been wrong.

The OP IS a backstreet abortion.

lawlolawl

skywanderer wrote: »

Abortion is murdering an unborn child so if it was my decision I'd be closing them all and charging abortionists with Murder; these unborn children could bring so much happiness and joy to the world; look at all those couples who can't conceive and would give anything to be pregnant. I'm glad Ireland still protects the unborn and has so far resisted all liberal feminist hard left pressure to start killing the most defenseless the unborn.

Other people not being able to have children is not a good reason for someone to bring a child they don't want or a child that is some way messed up into the world.

Who are you, me or anybody else to tell women in general what medical procedures they can and can't have anyway?

Your Face

These types of threads make me suspicious.

lawlolawl

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

The OP IS a backstreet abortion.

I heard that backstreet's back.

This development today seems to put that in jeopardy.

PucaMama

lawlolawl wrote: »

skywanderer wrote: »

Abortion is murdering an unborn child so if it was my decision I'd be closing them all and charging abortionists with Murder; these unborn children could bring so much happiness and joy to the world; look at all those couples who can't conceive and would give anything to be pregnant. I'm glad Ireland still protects the unborn and has so far resisted all liberal feminist hard left pressure to start killing the most defenseless the unborn.

Other people not being able to have children is not a good reason for someone to bring a child they don't want or a child that is some way messed up into the world.

Who are you, me or anybody else to tell women in general what medical procedures they can and can't have anyway?

If they don't want the child give it away. What is 9 months of your life to give another human their whole life? As for the messed up comment. Lovely. Is that what you think of people with disabilities.

Smondie

Marie stopes advocates for no doctors to be involved in the abortion.


Tracey McNeill, the director of Marie Stopes International, said: “It is entirely unnecessary for women to see a doctor.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/10575108/Abortion-on-demand-gets-Government-green-light.html

Giacomo McGubbin

tracey turnblad wrote: »

I think it could possibly be there is no counselling, there is no asking have you thought of any alternatives and no asking if your doing this if your own will or why are you doing it. Now I was shocked about this I thought I'd have to tell one person at least why I wanted a termination and while I was glad, I think someone in a vulnerable position that was maybe being forced or didn't know what the alternative was should even be offered if the want to speak to someone. They brought me into this cupboard/room and told me to remove my lower garments and go into the room... I was given a small sheet (kind of hand towel size) to wrap around my bits. I felt humiliated and felt like running out of there but I knew I had to go through with it. I was 7 weeks but got knocked out and I couldn't wait just to be knocked out. You wake up and are brought into a room with loads of other women and on like a sun lounger type chair not even a curtain between you. I felt embarrassed and humiliated, apart from all the Catholic Irish standard guilt. I don't know what I was expecting... But a bit more care I felt like a piece of meat.

The reality vs the propaganda. Fair play to you for being brave enough to speak out.
It's a slaughterhouse, these people are in are the business of making as money as possible from the vunerable by killing human life, what were you lead to expect ?

lawlolawl

PucaMama wrote: »

If they don't want the child give it away. What is 9 months of your life to give another human their whole life? As for the messed up comment. Lovely. Is that what you think of people with disabilities.

There are already more children up for adoption than there are people who want them. Why add to the problem and more than likely doom someone to a miserable lift.

Lighten up on the other point. My own father is in a wheelchair and feels that we as a society talk a good game about treating disabled people "equally", both positively and negatively, whilst being terrified to treat them with anything but kid gloves. He's hates the fact that he is 60 and people treat him like a child once they see his chair.

Giacomo McGubbin

lawlolawl wrote: »

There are already more children up for adoption than there are people who want them.

That's total crap. Irish couples spend years on the adoption waiting list, and most of them will never be able to adopt a child in Ireland.
Meanwhile 3500 Irish children are tragically aborted every year in the UK.

PucaMama

lawlolawl wrote: »

PucaMama wrote: »

If they don't want the child give it away. What is 9 months of your life to give another human their whole life? As for the messed up comment. Lovely. Is that what you think of people with disabilities.

There are already more children up for adoption than there are people who want them. Why add to the problem and more than likely doom someone to a miserable lift.

Lighten up on the other point. My own father is in a wheelchair and feels that we as a society talk a good game about treating disabled people "equally", both positively and negatively, whilst being terrified to treat them with anything but kid gloves. He's hates the fact that he is 60 and people treat him like a child once they see his chair.

I won't "lighten up" when I have one of the conditions I see regularly given as a reason to abort. And no, there are not more children in Ireland up for adoption than people that want them. Actually the opposite.

IvyTheTerrible

lawlolawl wrote: »

There are already more children up for adoption than there are people who want them. Why add to the problem and more than likely doom someone to a miserable lift.

That's not true, in Ireland anyway.

Peregrine

First of all, AH isn't a newsdump.

Secondly, what are you trying to achieve with that title? I would highly suggest that you review your posting style.

In the meanwhile, I'm closing this ****-stirring newsdump.