IFA vs APB

Bullocks

Well what do ye think about APB changing to having to opt in to pay the EIF levy ?
I think it's a good thing and it's going to hit IFA and ICMSA pretty hard in the pocket , I know it could shake the unions we have down a bit smaller but that mightn't be any harm , I didn't feel we were getting value out of them anyhow .
Fair play to Healy he seems to be standing up to Goodman .
There's a picture of John Bryan and Goodman in the journal and it is way too cosy looking !

mf240

I think it's great news. Reading between the lines it would appear that the new leader is not prepared to do what Larry requires of him.

I'd have a lot more respect for ifa if they weren't being paid by the factories.

TITANIUM.

Bullocks wrote: »

Well what do ye think about APB changing to having to opt in to pay the EIF levy ?
I think it's a good thing and it's going to hit IFA and ICMSA pretty hard in the pocket , I know it could shake the unions we have down a bit smaller but that mightn't be any harm , I didn't feel we were getting value out of them anyhow .
Fair play to Healy he seems to be standing up to Goodman .
There's a picture of John Bryan and Goodman in the journal and it is way too cosy looking !

I hear what your saying but where is the evidence of healy standing up to Goodman etc. Has he done something that I'm missing to piss Larry off enough for him to go and do this?

rangler1

TITANIUM. wrote: »

I hear what your saying but where is the evidence of healy standing up to Goodman etc. Has he done something that I'm missing to piss Larry off enough for him to go and do this?

Nothing to do with Healy, Burns opposed the APB takeover of slaney last Jnanuary, beef farmers didn't bother supporting this either....again not bothered.

http://www.ifa.ie/ifa-to-hold-rally-at-slaney-meats-to-highlight-competition-issues/#.V7YI__krKM8

Willfarman

mf240 wrote: »

I think it's great news. Reading between the lines it would appear that the new leader is not prepared to do what Larry requires of him.

I'd have a lot more respect for ifa if they weren't being paid by the factories.

I think Abp is doing the right thing here. I never gave them a mandate to help themselves to a piece of my very humble margin when I sell an animal. This is how it should be. Prove your worth your salt and farmers will support you.

rangler1

Willfarman wrote: »

I think Abp is doing the right thing here. I never gave them a mandate to help themselves to a piece of my very humble margin when I sell an animal. This is how it should be. Prove your worth your salt and farmers will support you.

I doubt it, at the best of times only about 3 or 4% of farmers would support anything

Buford T. Justice XIX

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Now, continue onwards civilly.

freedominacup

Willfarman wrote: »

I think Abp is doing the right thing here. I never gave them a mandate to help themselves to a piece of my very humble margin when I sell an animal. This is how it should be. Prove your worth your salt and farmers will support you.

Who the fcuk are you talking about??????
I've stood around barrels with a few bits of pallets burning in them trying to keep warm outside meat factories and very few beef farmers turning up to support themselves.

This prove your worth line really fcuking annoys the $hit out of me. Who is the "your" you're talking about. In my experience it's just other farmers but you get knuckleheads of keyboard warriors or barstool experts bullsh1tting on having never lifted a finger to help.

I've had my rows with rangler when I thought head office were going in the wrong direction but at least I was a paid up and reasonably active member. Those who think they can hurl from the ditch can fcuk right off as far as I'm concerned.

ganmo

Willfarman wrote: »

I think Abp is doing the right thing here. I never gave them a mandate to help themselves to a piece of my very humble margin when I sell an animal. This is how it should be. Prove your worth your salt and farmers will support you.

how could a farming lobby group achieve anything without the support of farmers??

you're putting the cart before the horse

freedominacup

Willfarman wrote: »

I think Abp is doing the right thing here. I never gave them a mandate to help themselves to a piece of my very humble margin when I sell an animal. This is how it should be. Prove your worth your salt and farmers will support you.

When you break this post down to it's fundamentals you think Larry Goodman is a grand fella and the ifa and it's membership are the shysters. Good to know.

grassroot1

No big issue just ring larry and tell him to forward the deductions to the IFA.
Then ring Joe Healy and tell him we no longer want the Board Bia quality assurance farce, no sprayer course, bye bye new trailer and tractor regulations and no more imposing a trailer driving licience on people who were legal before hand. I wont start about beef prices
In short draw a line in the sand and tell our overlords that the farming community are not going to be pushed around anymore.(Rant over)

older by the day

freedominacup wrote: »

Who the fcuk are you talking about??????
I've stood around barrels with a few bits of pallets burning in them trying to keep warm outside meat factories and very few beef farmers turning up to support themselves.

This prove your worth line really fcuking annoys the $hit out of me. Who is the "your" you're talking about. In my experience it's just other farmers but you get knuckleheads of keyboard warriors or barstool experts bullsh1tting on having never lifted a finger to help.

We all were around the barrels, but it was Downey and smith and the likes that took the rewards, did i hear Downey was put on the board of FBD for the good job he did, i rather drink it than give it to them

Englebert Humperdink

While I never agreed with the factories deducting the EIF levy, in my opinion it gave them a stick to beat the farmers with, having a less powerful IFA only benefits Larry and the factories.

Willfarman

freedominacup wrote: »

Who the fcuk are you talking about??????
I've stood around barrels with a few bits of pallets burning in them trying to keep warm outside meat factories and very few beef farmers turning up to support themselves.

This prove your worth line really fcuking annoys the $hit out of me. Who is the "your" you're talking about. In my experience it's just other farmers but you get knuckleheads of keyboard warriors or barstool experts bullsh1tting on having never lifted a finger to help.

I've had my rows with rangler when I thought head office were going in the wrong direction but at least I was a paid up and reasonably active member. Those who think they can hurl from the ditch can fcuk right off as far as I'm concerned.

Good man. When you get your form from Abp then you can opt in to pay pat smiths pension.
Until verifiable accounts are made available to all members of who gets this money they will never get another bean out of me. I had to formally instruct 3 Marts and 3 factories not to take money? I never gave them permission to take it. They had no legal right to do so.

And the "your" that I refer to are the well salaried payroll staff and elected members that are supposed to be representing us the farming minions.

mf240

The pick pockets in Dublin city are changing to an opt in system . In consolidation with their rural cousins.

Waffletraktor

Reading this, one just wonders why the meat factories arent being more brazen atm like their dairy processor breathern.
Maybe its the clash of attitude of wanting a livelihood handed to you because you have/rent some land and if its not too your liking you behave like a toddler vs the more go get it attitude and if you can help your neighbour all the better.
In this day and age when most farms cant afford it alone a professional lobby is needed to challenge things like Milk Supply Agrements or bring factories infront of a court for the sake of it to justify small changes to their specs in their favour. And this is only going to get much worse going forward, as you need to re-educate a population that goes further from the field and their idea of food is TESCOS with all the other lobbies looking to impose their will. And you will have the EU agri sector which is going to get much more extreme in the rules needed to abide by and soooo few farms in Ireland could stand on two feet if support is removed, well best put your head in the sand and blame them lot over there or that Pat fella for all your ills.
Look at the out standing case put forward by central European dairy organisations
atm, playing a blinder in achieving support for their farmers.

Bass Reeves

freedominacup wrote: »

Who the fcuk are you talking about??????
I've stood around barrels with a few bits of pallets burning in them trying to keep warm outside meat factories and very few beef farmers turning up to support themselves.

This prove your worth line really fcuking annoys the $hit out of me. Who is the "your" you're talking about. In my experience it's just other farmers but you get knuckleheads of keyboard warriors or barstool experts bullsh1tting on having never lifted a finger to help.

I've had my rows with rangler when I thought head office were going in the wrong direction but at least I was a paid up and reasonably active member. Those who think they can hurl from the ditch can fcuk right off as far as I'm concerned.

The issue here is that most beef farmers know at this stage that blockading factory's is a waste of time. Protests outside factory's, stunts in supermarkets and marching on Dublin in general are all a waste of time. The truth is for the last nearly 15 years the IFA have refused to complain to the Competition Authority about the meat plants. Hey presto the first time they do we see the reaction from Larry.

There is a perception that the IFA represented some farmers more than other, we had Pat Smith treatening west of Ireland farmers with regionalisation before the last CAP negotiations. We saw the Commonage/GLAS debacle that lead to the creation of the INHFA.

The tendancy to shoot the messenger has created this problem for the IFA. In fairness people pointed out these issue to them but policy was decided to favour a certain cohort.

rangler1

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The issue here is that most beef farmers know at this stage that blockading factory's is a waste of time. Protests outside factory's, stunts in supermarkets and marching on Dublin in general are all a waste of time. The truth is for the last nearly 15 years the IFA have refused to complain to the Competition Authority about the meat plants. Hey presto the first time they do we see the reaction from Larry.

There is a perception that the IFA represented some farmers more than other, we had Pat Smith treatening west of Ireland farmers with regionalisation before the last CAP negotiations. We saw the Commonage/GLAS debacle that lead to the creation of the INHFA.

The tendancy to shoot the messenger has created this problem for the IFA. In fairness people pointed out these issue to them but policy was decided to favour a certain cohort.

More excuses......daddy what did you do in the war...SFA.
I know we vigorously opposed regionalisation
Great britain went for regionalisation, better subsidies on better land.
definitely wasn't pushing my own agenda there, but it worked out alright for me so there was some justice